BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 03:34 PM

Desperado, You know politics 'll drive you crazy
It will make you plain lazy and attack all your friends
Oh, you'll get angry
I know that you got your reasons
These things that are pleasin' you
Can hurt you somehow
Don't you draw the King of Trump, boy
He'll beat you if he's able
You know the King of Trump was not your best bet
Now, it seems to me some fine things
Have been laid upon your table,
But you only want the ones that you can't get
Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger
Your pain and your hunger, they'll Brexit you home
And freedom, oh freedom, well that's just some people talkin'
Your prison is walking through this world all alone
Don't your feet get cold in the winter time?
The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine
It's hard to tell the night time from the day
You're losin' all your highs and lows;
Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away?
Desperado, why don't you come to your senses?
Come down from your fences; open the gate
It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you
You better let somebody love you, before it's too late


Songwriters: Glenn Frey / Don Henley

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: meself
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 03:05 PM

Here's a little something for your amusement, since the discussion seems to be crumbling.

Yesterday, I had a student here for tutoring. While he was doing some autobiographical writing, I was reading a bit of the novel A Fine Balance by Rohinton Mistry - until I came to a sentence ending, "... the soft rains in Dubai". Dubai? I'd forgotten that the protagonist had some connection with Dubai. The flow of my reading having been thus interrupted, I took a glance at the writing my student was doing - and saw that he had just finished writing the word "Dubai" on his page. I was startled, particularly as I had had no intimation that this student, locally born and bred, had any experience with that part of the world.

End of story. These funny little things happen to me a lot. It's a mistry (ha, ha).

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 02:16 PM

From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 24 Apr 14 - 09:55 AM

Sonnet 19/05/01????????????????????????DLIII

????????A perfect day for planting, with no sun
????????To burn life from small leaves; The promise of
????????Water to sustain new growth. Here's one
????????Of Nature's subtle gifts, to show her love.
????????You plant sweet herbs for future use, and weed
????????Unwanted growth, but know a use for all
????????The garden grows. Four senses gardens feed,
????????And birds, who nourish fifth with evening call.
????????The breeze brings cool contentment, as the day
????????Slides into night. You have the future sown.
????????In time, all that you plant will grow, to pay,
????????With interest, labor done by harvest grown.
????????With laughter in eyes, and smile touching cheek,
????????You have in your garden all I might seek.
.......................................................

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 12:30 PM

Anyone with telekinesis give me a hand













job

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 12:23 PM

Or is this more like, anyone with telekinesis, raise my hand?

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 12:22 PM

I was SO happy to see that reprobate!

Yeah, I have trouble with those What Is Your {something} name where one is the color of your underwear... I have a lot of one-name aliases.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 11:09 AM

I don't even know what colour underpants I'm wearing. I must be wearing some as Wednesday isn't commando day... I don't even know what colour our bedroom carpet is unless I go upstairs to have a look. It's only been down eight years...

Did you know that Jeremy Kyle always goes commando? He didn't tell me that. I gleaned it by telepathy...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:49 AM

Test 2:

a] what colour underpants am I wearing ?
b] what colour were they when purchased brand new ?

[Date stamped photographic evidence available upon request, for purposes of proper reliable scientific verification...]

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:32 AM

Can't think why ............. of course it must be telepathy!!

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:29 AM

"holding up" what?

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:22 AM

I'd guess at two ........... can't think why!

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:17 AM

None. You were typing at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:09 AM

Right then, here's a test for any mudcatters who think they may have special esp 'abilities'...

How many fingers am I holding up...??? 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:57 AM

Mudd reprises his role in 'Discovery'. I'm saying nowt else.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:41 AM

You only need two dust-caps for a three wheeler.




Cor Dave, we got away with it ......... ps my unicycle looks great with a dust-cap

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:26 AM

The Soviets did a LOT of research on parapsych and never got a replicable thing.

Who was it in the scifi world who said if you shoot at people the one who's a teleport will get out of the way? Or something? I think it was Niven.

Ever reread old scifi like Heinlein or Asimov from before computers, and they are on Mars or something calling their slide rules "slipsticks" and having math geniuses to do the rapid calculations?

Humans aren't rational. Remember the second episode with Mudd?

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:24 AM

Dave, I once parked up my Nissan Micra in Bristol for half an hour. When I got back, somebody had nicked three out of my four dustcaps.

Join the list of suspects...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:18 AM

I enjoy the sandbox but over the course of a month I notice a rise and fall in future insight. When I had migraines it was very low. Nowadays it is not as low in the cycle up and down.

A last word regarding rationality. Spock was a character who was too rational. Kirk was irrational in Spock's eyes. I too recognize I have made big decisions on a seemingly irrational basis, as in who to marry. It worked for me. Love... kinda irrational.

While this topic is my bailiwick I have to get back to decluttering before the construction project.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 07:53 AM

the Americans don't build Rolls, Bentleys, Jaguars.

I don't think the British do any more do they? :-(

Mind you, best British car I ever had was a Reliant Supervan III - Like Del Boy's but Turquoise instead of yellow. 50+ MPG and could do 70 fully laden. If you wanted to risk it :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:54 AM

No chance Donuel, the Americans don't build Rolls, Bentleys, Jaguars.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:45 AM

True but it all goes backwards.

In a 4D world you CAN see both sides directly simultaneously.
We can do this only in our mind after a passage of time.

Ever watch TV in a mirror, all British cars suddenly become American and visa versa.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:33 AM

Not if you've got mirrors

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:31 AM

Of course it is and it isn't. In a 3D world we can only see one side at a time.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:25 AM

Lost on me.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:23 AM

Every pearl started off as a piece of shite that got into the shell. The allusion isn't lost in me, Donuel! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:06 AM

I ain't got no crisis Donuel, I've got a pain in the neck, or sometimes it's a pain in the arse, but no crisis.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:03 AM

The US military poured millions into the whole phenomena in the 70s and 80s. (I was there) They don't spend a penny anymore. They can prove global warming but not telepathy. So whatever the raggytash crises is about relax there is no provable phenomenon beyond free speech.
A movie about this is called 'the men who stare at goats' and is very funny but true.

A Russian take over of internet social media however is verified.
Meanwhile our dreams hopes and fears are still our own.


PS Steve is a good sport (to a point) and so 'cultured' he may as well be a pearl.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 05:44 AM

At least you can get tablets for akes, Dave, though beer works very well too...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 05:28 AM

Keith? Nigel? Luxury! I have ake...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 05:12 AM

You have your Keith, I have my Nigel, Raggytash. Is there a child psychiatrist in tbe house...?

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 04:51 AM

I said before, Raggy, ignore the man behind the curtain. Don't let him pull your strings. Everyone else does understand :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 04:14 AM

How many ******* times do I have to point out that I used the term "telepathy" not telepathy.

This is the LAST time I will resort to telling you I used the term "telepathy" not telepathy.

Every single poster, except you, understands the use of parenthesis. I cannot be held responsible for your stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 03:32 AM

Your whole post from last week Rag,

Raggytash - PM
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 05:37 PM

I have experienced "telepathy" which I found disconcerting.

However I have tried to rationalise the sensation and I came up with this.

Before we could communicate verbally we MAY have had further senses than we one's we acknowledge today, sight, sound, vision, taste, and touch.

Is it possible that before we learned to communicate by these methods we had further abilities that because we no longer use them have deteriorated to the point that they only become apparent on rare occasions.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 09:59 PM

I just watched the Gift movie. A couple corrections. She never denied her ability. The cast was all A+ list. What rings true are the attitudes the accusations and the suspicions. The ending is spooky beyond anything in my experience.

The casting director was a genius.

I have posted heavily on the explanation side in order to counter the proposition that there is no mechanism that is capable of the phenomenon.

What remains is the experience side. I suppose there is still a prejudice in our society regarding esp and old fashioned judgmental attitudes so some may be squeamish. Rarely the experience is heroic but is often memorable. The Mrzzy twins story is great.
- the biggie
The best minds in our Pentagon put the odds of an atomic N. Korean American War at 20% to 50-50. I am getting nothing like that. Compared to personal 9-11 pre cognition I would say we are safe from the idiots somehow. Despite that, Trump is doing all the classic run up to war rhetoric including the dead baby in a NK bucket speeches.
I think the S. Koreans themselves want desperately to be rid of the Donald.
- the small stuff
The act of driving naturally engages our foresight prowess.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 06:00 PM

Hey you are on a roll - even creatine minds work
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201202/your-brain-creatine

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 02:59 PM

Oops, meant creative minds (naturally creative, or otherwise).

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 02:57 PM

"It takes science fiction to inspire science fact. ex. Star Trek"

An interesting thought , as to the symbotic relationship between the broad expanses of real experience versus what reative minds can come up with through fiction. This could be expanded to other aspects of life, such as the arts ,music, and news and entertainment, - all seem to have a symbolic and fruitful relationship to stimulate (and entertain) us .

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 02:22 PM

Every good story needs a villain.
I chose Steve as the foil.
Usually this backfires
No harm intended.

One day I hope to be as visionary as Jules Verne, but for our tomorrow.
Then I will have a life, but I'll likely be dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 02:10 PM

And Donuel, get a life. Over and out.

.............................................................................................................................

Deja fu: the weird feeling that you've been kicked in the head this way before...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 02:01 PM

Who do you think points to where science should look or take baby steps? People like us.
It takes science fiction to inspire science fact. ex. Star Trek



My credo is that organic beats all. Like my treatment of MS with clonal myelin cells or a cure for diabetes type 1.
Cells do a better job than drugs or hardware.
For example islets of Langerhans cells regulate insulin and sense how much. They are happiest in a pancreas but a pancreas like environment will do. Human tests begin this year and inside of 3 years we all will have a cure for diabetes. Fortunately my wife is in charge of what research is best economically.


Steve would merely say "there is no cure for diabetes".
Steve you are a parasite of science and apparently contribute nothing but stale skepticism. You have never said but perhaps you are a better musician.

In contrast I contribute. TOOT ! <--(my own horn)

btw not to betray Ake, but although he wears the black hat and I wear the white hat he too is extremely dyslexic so let him learn. Intellect matures very slowly. You know in some circles, dyslexia is a gateway to genius. Sounds dangerous huh?

It seems natural that Mushrooms catalyze imagination much like LSD but in an organic way. They both diminish inhibition of neuronal and dendrite cells in unison like stepping on the accelerator.



Steve, get a haircut, its over an inch.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 01:53 PM

probably not quite as disconcerting as a deja poo...???

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 01:44 PM

I've just had a deja vu...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 01:43 PM

What about deja vus? Do they count as great mysteries, up there with telepathy?

(And I'm not doing the accents as I don't want to see any more spurious question marks).

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 01:42 PM

What about deja vus? Do they count as great mysteries, up there with telepathy?

(And I'm not doing the accents as I don't want to see any more spurious question marks).

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 01:37 PM

Well that's true, but when I said "naughty" I was thinking more of the illegal ones. When it comes to naughty in the broader sense, as in seeing people off, tobacco has no rivals. It's changing in some countries. Good thing too.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 01:13 PM

Tobaccoo *is* a naughty drug, dude.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 01:10 PM

No professor, yet again I said I had experienced (note no parenthesis) what other people may term "telepathy" not telepathy.

At no stage have I ever said that I have "experienced" or even experienced telepathy.

I cannot recall saying I was "disconcerted" by it but can't be arsed to go back and find that particular post, and if I had been disconcerted by it I do not think I would have used parenthesis.

Are you really so simple that you cannot differentiate the things everybody else can.

Don't bother to reply I already know the answer.

BUGGER !! There I go again I must be telepathic!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 12:47 PM

Greg,
Now The Professor has the power to read minds!

No, just words.
Rag said he had "experienced" "telepathy" and been "disconcerted" by the "experience."
Also he suggested why "telepathy" may " only become apparent on rare occasions."

But that was last week.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 12:26 PM

I've never taken any of those naughty drugs, not even cannabis, ever in my whole life, not once. I smoked like a chimney until I was 26 then suddenly stopped, 40 years ago now (I know the exact minute on the exact date) and not one whiff of any nicotinic substance has passed my lips ever since. I do like my booze, though, but never until the sun's below the yardarm. I suppose alcohol is a bit mind-altering, though at least it's a graduated thang.

I'll stick to the baby steps of real science, Donuel. I do enjoy leaps of imagination myself but I always try to strictly recognise where they overstep the bounds of science. Ed's article was full of expressed frustration and humility. And real science without uncalled-for assertions. And the best way I know of maximising all my senses is to go outside where there are trees and birds and insects on a sunshiny and breezy summer's day, lie on my back in a patch of flowers and yield to the beauty of reality, all truths universal. I want to attain the nuttiness of the truly sane (thanks to Lawrence D. Hills for that exquisite idea). Mrs Steve thinks I've achieved the nuttiness. One more step...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 11:54 AM

Wait... we say Icebox.