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BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)

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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 10:55 AM

But the penalty that Pogba spectacularly fluffed, then got the luck of gods with the rebound, simply wasn't a penalty. The defender clearly went for the ball and got the ball (the replays show the ball changing direction as he made contact). Martial then did the theatricals. Jon Moss didn't have a good view. He's a good ref is Jon but he has a penchant for making occasional fearful cockups, and this was one of 'em. Mark Clattenburg agrees with me (actually, I agreed with him). Viewing the match as a whole I'd say the teams were evenly matched and that Man U didn't deserve all the points. Everton were unlucky. Pickford's totally brilliant, and he's a nice bloke to boot.

At the gathering in Radcliffe after my dad's funeral last week, among others there was me (Liverpool), me Mancunian cousin (Man City) and his younger brother (Man U). It made for an entertaining and animated discussion! They both wanted Salah. Of course they did. I wanted De Bruyne (naturally). Nobody wanted Pogba. Heheh!

Anyway, there's a far more important match on tonight!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 09:59 AM

Hi

Man U gave a much improved performance on last week ( but the still have a hell of a way to go).

They moved forward most of the time and looked a far better team on the odd occasions they were attacked. They were the better team and deserved to win but did make it difficult for themselves at the end.

Despite all the problems they are only 4 points off the top four.!!

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Oct 18 - 09:10 AM

Hi Steve
Watched Yesterday's game. Not up to Pool's high standard but easy enough to see off a poor team in Cardiff....though they tried hard.

The salah /Mane link was much to good for Cardiff. Salah and Mane feasted on the support from the defence.

I think Liverpool are going to take some stopping.

Now for Man United v Everton. It is very rare for United to be behind Everton in the League when they play each other. Such is the state of United's situation. A loss today could be the end of Mourinho.

Fingers crossed......you can work that out for yourself !!!

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 02:47 PM

Hi Steve

Great show indeed. Red Star were no pushovers. The went at Liverpool from the start and looked as though they would create some problems.
They took the first 20 minutes with a physical display but gradually Liverpool started to fight back after riding a storm.

The defence conducted by Van Dyjk stated to drive Red Star back with some fine attacking from the back. Soon the inevitable happened and
when Shaqiri made a goal, well taken by Firmino they just rolled over the opposition and won easily taking them to the top of their Group.

For me Van Dyjk was the man of the match as he calmly encouraged his young defender to drive forward and put Red Star on the back foot.

I agree with you about Shqiri - great game - what a great deal.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 07:23 PM

...And a great show from Liverpool tonight against Red Star. Watch that man Shaqiri. He could prove to be the bargain of the century, costing about seven times less than Pogba... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 09:18 AM

PS I can spell Funchal......lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:30 AM

Hi Steve

Your description of last night's game was on the ball. United slow and sluggish and juventus slick and organised.
The amazing thing was that united only lost 0-1 it should have been a lot more.

We have been to Madeira several times. Once while we were there we went to watch a schools athletics day up above Funcial. Towards the end the Funcial football team came out and had a training session. We stayed and watched some of it. My wife took some pictures. Acouple of years later Cristiano joined Man United. One later I was doing some processing on some pictures and when I looked my wife had taken some greay shots with Ronaldo on them. When she took them we and the World at large had never heard of him. That soon changed, arguably he has become one of the best players in the World.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 18 - 07:45 PM

We went to Madeira last year and came across the bronze statue of Cristiano Ronaldo on the wide Funchal promenade. He was born and bred in lovely Funchal. It isn't exactly the world's greatest work of of art, but the inscription at the bottom describes him as the greatest footballer in the world. He's a bit of a tit is Cristiano, but he is a damn fine footballer. The bronze of the statue has the usual tarnish - except for the deliberately-prominent "family jewels" region, which has a high sheen. I'm guessing that a thousand young women have posed next to the statue for a photo and inadvertently given yer man's testicles a damned good manual polishing...

Or even young men. Damn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 18 - 05:17 PM

A very poor performance by Man U. I watched the whole thing and there was barely a threat to Juve, who looked incredibly comfortable all evening.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Oct 18 - 02:40 PM

Hi

Just getting ready to watch Man United v Juventus in European League.

Should be a good game, I am not confident about United at the moment
they are inconsistent ( to say the least) but hope they can hit their best form.

Looks like a night of two Portuguese, in Mourinho and returning prodigal son Chistiano Ronaldo.

Unfortunately there will probably more interest in these two than will go on the match. Such is the power and interests of the media.

Come on United !!!

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Oct 18 - 09:11 AM

hi Steve

I know all that.

But last year when United were in a similar position you made some stinging comments about them. .....and by the way we were second in the league and stayed there.....!!!


Cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 18 - 03:21 PM

I'll say it again: Liverpool haven't got an effective attacking midfield playmaker at the moment. The defence is very solid, though I think Lovren has had his day. The Gomez/ Virgil pairing is superb and I think that Joe is going to be an England star for many years. Jürgen will either have to groom one of his rather expensive squad (Fabinho doesn't seem to be in favour and Keita is all over the place) or delve into the transfer market. But, for chrissake, we are joint top and we are going to stay there! I thought that Shakiri was an utter menace at times yesterday (tho' definitely a bit on-and-off) and there's a lot of potential there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Oct 18 - 08:42 AM

Hi Steve

Watched United and then Liverpool yesterday.

United did their usual start and gave a sloppy goal away and let Chelsea take command. Second half and the other United turned up. They pressed Chelsea and exposed weaknesses in the Chelsea defence. The result was panic for Chelsea while Martial helped himself to a couple of good goals. They continued to threaten more but then in the 6th Minute of injury time the defence went to sleep and gave away another sloppy goal. United deserved to win but must sort that defence out.

In the Liverpool game they were given a fright after Salah recovered his goal scoring form. They were pressed by Huddersfield who were unlucky with at least two decisons going against them. Liverpool are having to win ugly to get results. Just like united had to do over last two years under Mourinho.

Clopp says that tightening his defence has affected his attacking force, You don't have to be a genious to work that out.

All in all an interesting afternoon of football.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 02:22 PM

Hi Steve

Pogba.......????? If anyone can get him to play and be a team player Jurgen can.

I don't believe the rumours by or about anyone, but sometimes it can give me a laugh.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Oct 18 - 02:47 PM

Well, maybe stop listening to rumours is my advice. He's contracted until 2022 and has said many times that his heart is with Liverpool. What's far more interesting is how he's going to find that playmaker who'll set the front three alight again. It could be someone already at the club...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Oct 18 - 02:39 PM

Hi Steve

" Just watch Jurgen in the next transfer window... ".

According to some rumours being posted. Jurgen will be gone. !!!

In this situation of course we will always be prepared to let you have Mourinho. lol

cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Oct 18 - 03:48 PM

Defence was paramount because of the attacking instincts of both teams. In this game defence won out. Basically because both teams have bloody good defences. Here's a big clue: the score was 0-0. What Liverpool currently lack is a midfield playmaker. Coutinho has gone and Ox won't be back this season. Just watch Jurgen in the next transfer window...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Oct 18 - 02:45 PM

Hi Steve

I must have been at the same match as Raggy. I watched a determined game in which two very good teams had decided to not lose.

Consequently we had a rugged game where defence was paramount. Neither goalkeeper didn't have to make a save. Salah hardly ever touched the ball.

A missed penalty - apparently PeP changed a preagreed action to change his Penalty taker as he picked up the ball !! this saved Liverpool and the match just then fizzled out into a tame draw.

Liverpool by the way have not won in their last 4 outings !!!.

Cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 06:53 PM

Well you weren't watching the same match as I was. It was fast, it was ugly and, whilst no classic, it was a contest between two teams who have attack in their bones and who have ultimate respect for each other. I love watching Liverpool, City and Chelsea for their positivity and sublime skill. Wouldn't give you tuppence for any other Premier club. Though who knows: Go, Wolves...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 01:49 PM

Wouldn't mind being a quid behind him though!

In the first 10 minutes I thought Liverpool were all over City, after that the match faded into a "none event"

Watching paint dry may have been slightly more entertaining.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 01:36 PM

Edge of seat stuff at Anfield. Liverpool were getting swamped at times and were once again off the pace, but they showed mucho grit later in the second half and it turned into a titanic if slightly raggety tussle. One thing City fans learned: Mahrez is a twat. If you don't believe me, watch MOTD. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 06:41 AM

Hi

I am back from holiday and I don't use the media at all while I am away.

Some of the results did filter through from other holidaymakers so I am am aware of the difficulties of our top sides in Europe.

Apart from Arsenal who have improved after a desperate start.

Ironically Man United remain unbeaten despite some terrible performances!!!

I watched United'd match yesterday when after a diabolical start 0-2, they managed to scramble through to win 3-2 in " Fergie Time".

We need a new defence NOW. Ironic cos last year we were only 1 goal against than the runaway winners of the League Man City.!!

Like many United supporters I don't have any faith in them at the moment.

Can Mourinho create a change of fortune ??? Don't think so. Drastic changes need to be made.

Getting ready to watch City and Liverpool....should be a good match to watch.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 12:46 PM

It was a poor do, for sure. Napoli's manager, Carlo Ancelotti, worked out from their pre-season loss to Liverpool in a friendly how to neutralise Liverpool's front three with an extra central defender. Salah hardly touched the hall before half-time and Firmino was anonymous all night. Carlo is a brilliant tactician and just for once Klopp was outfoxed. Let's see if Pep can do the same trick on Sunday...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 08:53 AM

Commiserations on the result, Steve. I thought you had been quiet!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 04:55 PM

I thought Utd were bad last night, at least they managed a very poor draw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 02:46 PM

It is, from Naples, Dave, and I have BT Sport Mobile. For the next two hours I am he wot cannot be disturbed...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 01:51 PM

Is it Napoli this evening Steve?


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 06:25 AM

This thread's gone a bit quiet. Are people on holiday? Anyway, Liverpool still look good but vulnerable, while Manchester United continue to stumble along. Interesting times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 05:03 PM

I acknowledge Man Utd are not the force they were and with Mourinho as manager I doubt they will get back to the top any time soon. (Never could take to the man)

However, you play Chelsea away in your next league match, away, and they will not be frightened after that lack lustre display.

Just as a reminder, though we did have over twenty years of consistent sucess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:54 PM

We're saving ourselves. And at least we didn't get trashed by Derby County... Bwahahaha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:38 PM

Do you recall any of the bible Steve?

"oh howe are the myghtie ouerthrowen"


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 10:29 AM

Turn the record player off (stuck needle) and enjoy the supreme football, Raggytash!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 09:23 AM

Don't start gloating too soon Steve, yes United might be a spent force at the moment but Liverpool haven't won anything yet.

Oh, remind me just when did you last win the premiership?


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 07:03 AM

Whereas Man U were back to routine, complete with José on the whinge. Liverpool on cruise control. Mighty!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 05:28 AM

I see City redeemed themselves yesterday :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 03:01 PM

hi Dave Will do...I played rugby at Keighly many moons ago.

cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:55 PM

Between Skipton and Keighley.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:54 PM

Between near Skipton, Mike. PM me on here if you are ever in the area.

Oh, 600:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:42 PM

Hi Dave

Thank you for the kind thought but I don't know where you are and don't know a contact for you. Would have been great to share a drink ( or two)!!!

Shooting off to North Wales tomorrow for a couple of weeks. That is if it is still there after the weather of the last few days.!!!!!   Not sure exactly where we will be staying until we have seen what the weather holds.

cheers

mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:34 PM

hi Steve

I was not and I am not underestimating Liverpool, I was just trying to advise you not to get too confident so soon in the season.

I am aware in the difference which Liverpool played against PSG and in no way compared it to United;s performance.

I said in my earlier post that we are not good enough to take on top European teams -including Liverpool at this moment. In fact I think they will have to improve vastly if the want to finish in the top 6 in the Premiere League.

I hope I am wrong.

Cheers

Mike - heading off to Wales early tomorrow. Good luck for the up-and-coming games.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 03:03 AM

Should have popped in Mike. Mind you, it is a big place!

I see City got beat by Lyon the other day. I went to HPs offices in Lyon once. Only works canteen I have been in that serve wine. By way of nothing at all...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 06:29 PM

Underestimate us at your peril, Mike. You looked great last night - against very poor opposition. We were playing Paris Saint-Germain for chrissake!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 02:46 PM

Hi Steve

We have been away in North Yorkshire for a while. Don't use the internet while I am away. Back for a couple of days and then off to North Wales .

I have been able to watch some of the games in pubs etc while away.

Liverpool have looked unbeatable until the wobbled a bit the other night. It was a surprise because the defence has looked so solid.
but Firmino saved some red faces and earned The Pool a deserved win.

I have watched Man United. They have managed to recover from a terrible start and have won the last three games away from home, including a good win last night over Young Boys of Berne. United were overrun on the plastic surface in the first quarter of the game but gradually improved and won relatively easily in the end.

I don't think we are any way near to hitting the standard that we United supporters expect. The defence is disorganised and the attack very wasteful in front of goal. There does not appear to be very much endeavour in the team yet.


I would not bang the drum too much about Liverpool Steve, they have done nothing yet They have collapsed in mid-season too many times recently and have not won anything of note for about a dozen years.

Man City got a shock last night but I didn't see the game. So there is many a slip twixed cup and lip.

Looks like being an interesting season I am looking forward to it.

See Ya

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 08:49 PM

Hi Mike. Haven't heard from you for a bit. Where art thou!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 12:26 PM

No need to shut up as long as you keep saying nice things about Liverpool. Just don't mention Manchester United, that's all... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:00 PM

I like lurking around this thread.
This is much more the thing.
Heated and animated discussion
without Mudcatters being disgusting to fellow Mudcatters.
Yes, yes, I'll shut up now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:52 PM

Chelsea - great to watch, new manager, new lease of life, Hazard firing on five out of four cylinders. I love it.

But come on now, chaps. Liverpool. The team that the whole world now fears. PSG neatly put away. Neymar, Di María, Cavani, Mbappe... where were you, chaps! And Liverpool still haven't completely found their stride. Be very afraid, Mike!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 18 - 08:03 PM

No way, Mike. You're heading for the bottom half and you know it. Unless you get rid of the Unspecial One very quickly indeed. That second-half defensive display was a farce. And Pogba was bloody useless. On top of that, Spurs were denied a cast-iron penalty in the first half. You need shot of Phil Jones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Aug 18 - 11:13 AM

Hi

I went to Old Trafford last night to watch United Play Spurs.

The were well beaten 0-3 in an interesting but not exciting clash.

United had the best of the first half and managed to miss some scoring opportunities, especially Lucacu whom seems to have lost his shooting boots.

The second half with a different Tottenham team do most of the attacking. The inevitable happened when Kane scored. After that it was all Spurs and they ran out easy winners.

This is the worst start to the season that United have ever had since 1962. But perhaps we needn't worry because they went on to win the League. ( Fingers crossed in hope rather than expectation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Aug 18 - 09:29 AM

Ps to previous post.

Don't know why I said United is playing Burnley at the week-end

They are actually playing Tottenham.

Weill be a good test of United's struggle to find form.


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