BS: Foul Mouthed trump!

Subject: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:11 AM

From the BBC
US President Donald Trump has reportedly lashed out at immigrants in a foul-mouthed Oval Office outburst.
"Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" Mr Trump asked lawmakers on Thursday, in remarks widely reported by US media.
The remark, made during talks on an immigration deal, was apparently in reference to people from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries.
The White House made no attempt to deny the comment.

Absolutely disgraceful.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:46 AM

On the plus side, he ainta comin' to the UK for the opening of the US embassy. Because he knows there would be demonstrations.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 05:23 AM

what is foul mouthed are people like Donuel making fun of retards like the Donald. Has he no decency sir?

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:04 AM

I reckon he's afraid of lax security and danger of attack if he came to London.
Imagine any Head of State saying '...shithole countries...' - what a diplomat!
Are most Americans squirming at this appalling man's pronouncements? Or are most of them still delighted he was elected?

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:12 AM

Yes, with the exception of Replica Republican Congressmen and Senators.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 08:23 AM

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Charmion
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 08:27 AM

Mr Trump's question answers itself. If your country were not a shithole, why would you leave -- let alone emigrate to a crazy, mixed-up political experiment like the United States of America?

Most days, I look out my window to view the snowy landscape and send up a little prayer of thanks that my father did not get the job he interviewed for at Columbia University in 1952, thus ensuring that my bothers and I would be born in boring old Ottawa, the city where they roll up the sidewalks at sunset. Consequently, I get to read about the shenanigans south of the border with mild interest, not lurching dread.

I imagine that many Norwegians feel something similar.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 08:32 AM

"https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists"
Members of the Flat Earth Society, no doubt
His forthcoming visit to Britain has been has been kicked into touch (because of the protests that inevitably would take place, and a European spokesman has described his behaviour as "unacceptable and racist"
Just goes to prove that the biographer who described him as mentally unstable had it right
Leader if the 'Free World eh!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 08:44 AM

What is appalling is his inability to use something other than crudities. He has, obviously, a deficient vocabulary.

That does not in any way mitigate his offensive behavior, and I think he owes some big, big apologies -- with actions to back them up.

Reprehensible. SAD!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 09:28 AM

Trumps are meant to be foul.. that is their purpose in life..

Loud and noxious...!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 09:50 AM

Rap - my cartoon of today (man looks quizzical next to his TV)
caption:
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY BROADCAST NETWORK...
"I am sorry, that remark was inappropriate, I indeed apologize but it was accurate"... IF THIS HAD BEEN AN ACTUAL APOLOGY BY TRUMP YOU WOULD BE INSTRUCTED TO TUNE TO YOUR LOCAL STATIONS TO LEARN WHAT TO DO NEXT.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 10:04 AM

deficient in vocabulary...?

not really. he expressed his meaning fairly well. do you really feel if he'd called these countries 'anal orifice countries' that it would have been a morale booster for them, or a diplomatic triumph?

Perhaps what he meant was, he hadn't built a Trump tower in any of them yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 10:39 AM

My fellow Aryans in Brexit Britain Scandinavia Germany and America, beyond all the fun and jokes;

It is Trump's intent and deliberate behavior, mirroring his own words, that a racist and authoritarian fascist Western World become whites only and employ merit based immigration and pass ethnic purity tests.

If you think you are immune, you are at heart, fascist friendly or very naïve and stupid.

Of course I hope the Trumpists become another failed Hitler movement without millions of deaths spent defeating him.

We will continue to resist and laugh him away but we should never forget he is the epitome of evil.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 11:07 AM

It's a national disgrace that this racist, mysogynist xenophobe ever got within sniffing distance of a major party's nomination, Senoufou.

But fair is fair; a majority of the electorate voted against him. Recently his approval rating has been around 40%, a historic low for a first year president.

And that's before Fire and Fury came out with Bannon's devastating portrait of him and his out-of-control staff, and the current questioning of his mental fitness at press conferences, and this most recent episode.

On the other hand, it's not exactly a stirring defense to say that "only" forty percent approve, I know.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 11:24 AM

So, we've got a shithole president. This is NEWS??

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 11:31 AM

The ghosts of the members of the 1787 US Constitutional Convention are wishing they could go back to Philadelphia and change the wording of Section 4 of Article Two to "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, other high Crimes and Misdemeanors, or being a total Embarrassment to The United States of America."

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 11:53 AM

I wonder actually if he's 'all there'. He does to me seem to be exhibiting signs of dementia. (Angry, childish rantings, apparently not recognising faces, repeating himself over and over, fixed, vacant expression etc)
I'm all for democracy, but did the people fully realise just what they were voting for?
I can imagine the consternation of the men behind the scenes frantically trying to perform damage limitation every time he opens his mouth!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 12:00 PM

Sen - I just wonder how much more difficult life for our family would be if my mum had broadband
and knew how to surf twitter and internet social media...???

Thankfully she never held any positions of socio political responsibility and power.

Must have been so tough for Thatcher's carers...!!!


We get enough of such problems here at mudcat...

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 12:24 PM

The thing is, it's very hard to sanction removing from power an elected Head of State - it would look like a coup.
I'm thinking of Robert Mugabe. He was barely lucid towards the end, but folk were loath to oust him - it's not an easy thing to tackle.
I suppose it would need a medical and psychological assessment.
And it seems Trump has moments of normality; he could refuse to be assessed.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 12:24 PM

I'm of two minds about the impeachment of Trump: He is the true face of the movement and seems to go out of his way to make it repulsive. I am sure he is not the only anti-immigration pol to use that expression, but he IS the only one who will hang it out there for all to see.

At the same time, he is politically incompetent, and he continues to polarize his party.

I'm afraid one reason for his declining popularity is the realization by his supporters that he is unable to do the job they elected him to do. I don't think Vice-President Pence is any political wizard, but the Republicans can dress him up, feed him his lines, and he'll do as he's told.

A disruptive political doofus wrapped in a disgusting personality at the head of the party you despise--not all bad.

On the other hand . . . . . . there's his ideology, unspeakable cruelty, and all that nuclear holocaust business.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 12:59 PM

Trump is stupid, Pence is vile. Getting rid of Trump only puts the machinery in the hands of a zealot who will trounce the rights of many people because his god tells him to. Someone who might "act" presidential but who will continue to dismantle the social safety net put in place over the last 60 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 01:11 PM

It's the difference between a loud Trump

..and a sneaky silent killer...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 01:23 PM

I think you're absolutely right, Vashta. My real qualm about not replacing Trump is that he's done so much to make the most poisonous racism safe and to encourage it. His reaction to the Charlottesville murders was close to a license to kill.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 01:45 PM

Lots of truisms here. If I were British I would not peek at the Trump is a one trick pony thread either. I seldom look at Brexit.

Some people might remember the Grand Dame of the Press Corps that questioned Presidents for 5 decades beginning with JFK.

She was witty and feisty. Toward the end of her career her mind betrayed her. I will not diagnose but we all know of the looming threat to the elderly. Helen suddenly began uttering invectives and anti semetic slurs. She was quickly and respectfully swept away.

Most of us see the tongue and groove fit of Trump's dementia and racism with the ambitions of the Neo Nazi movement.
Face it , Donald is more than stupid but the Vichy Republican Congress wants to milk it for another manipulative 7 years.

The Republican agenda calls for stupid pliable men. Democratic agendas need smart leaders.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:51 PM

I don't know, Donuel. Trump and I were both born on June 14, 1946, so I'm not a fan of the senilty explanation (or of astrology).

As far as I can tell, he's never used a filter, and since he's become the most powerful man in the world, why start now? His interpretation of reality as his own reality show isn't necessarily a sign of stupidity. It's worked pretty well up until quite recently.

I don't know about right-wing Republicans looking forward to 7 more years of pratfalls and pies in the face, either. After all, it was no flaming liberal who started this thread.

If I were a member of the Freedom Caucus and could replace him with Pence by snapping my fingers, I'd do it like THAT!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:17 PM

Senile dementia can occur in one's fifties (early onset) One poor chap in our village had to become a resident of a care home at 58 due to his illness. However Dougie, another neighbour, is 99, fit as a flea and sharp as a needle.
I think many here in UK are very much afraid of what Trump might provoke regarding starting wars and alienating other nations.
Senile or not, he's a dangerous man as well as a thoroughly unpleasant one.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 04:14 PM

"I think many here in UK are very much afraid of what Trump might provoke regarding starting wars and alienating other nations."

Over here, too.

I'm afraid, though, that replacing him with someone less foul-mouthed and belligerent might not necessarily work.

As a Republican, George W. Bush was a centrist. His family did not endorse Trump and probably didn't vote for him. But by the time he was as deep in his term as Trump is now, he and his crew had spent months laying the groundwork for the Iraq invasion. (Which Clinton, Trump's opponent, and a rather hawkish Secretary of State herself, initially supported.) So Bush may have actually been more dangerous in his first year than Trump has been, despite his mouth. Let's hope so. Trump would have to go some to accomplish as much harm as Bush eventually did, but he's certainly capable.

I'm afraid, and I apologize for it, that the US threats to global security can't be resolved by getting rid of the obvious rotten apples.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 05:40 PM

one reason for his declining popularity is the realization by his supporters that he is unable to do the job they elected him to do

Except for the fact that his dumbfuck supporters have no idea what 'the job" was or is that they elected him to do - they didn't know before the election, and they don't now.

A triumph of absolute fuckwhitism.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:45 PM

Racism isn't his only hobby. Trump Does Tahoe

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 07:28 PM

Maybe, Greg, but they THOUGHT, at least, that they wanted him to build a wall separating the US and Mexico, to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, and to kill DACA.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 07:58 PM

Maybe, Greg, but they THOUGHT

They didn't fucking think, full stop. And they still don't/can't.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 08:45 PM

well I think its totally thought out.
it has said to the racist vote - you know what I really think. I can't say it in public, but that's the way I'm going to try and crumble the cookie - as much as I can.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 09:55 PM

"take them out" we can imagine what that trump comment means but it sounds like permission to ICE Police on the ground.

good one Jackaroo, Hey what is Donald's sign?...its a sign of stupidity. So you remember Walter Cronkite. The News was not exclusively infotainment back then. You saw the emergence of CNN then FOX. Now we have to navigate pages that are look alikes for Senatorial email, fake stories and real hacked stolen messaging. Just today the White House doctor released a statement about the Trump physical exam BUT if you look closely the doctor misspelled his own name. It was a white house look alike release. Fancy Bear has misled people on this forum. Who are we to trust? There are more mines than fields. I do not blame some of the usual suspects for posting links to Russian based media. I get duped to.

I was so wrong. I used to think Bush was the worst POTUS ever.
Now I think Trump is the worst US Commissar of Russian US affairs.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 01:59 AM

Eliza: "Are most Americans squirming at this appalling man's pronouncements? Or are most of them still delighted he was elected?"

Those are unfortunate words, Senoufou. Most Americans were NEVER delighted Trump was elected.

The "forty percent" that voted for him was actually a smaller number than it sounds like, given the small percentage of eligible to vote Americans that make it to the polls.

I suspect that most Americans feel about Trump and his presidency just about the same as you do. "Squirming" doesn't fit the feeling.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 04:07 AM

"Hey what is Donald's sign?...its a sign of stupidity"

Donald and I are Gemini.

I'd like to think that this bad joke was the gods' way of maintaining the cosmic balance of light and darkness.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:07 AM

I cannot see what the gripe is.His choice of words may not sit well, but there is zero confusion as to the countries he was referring to.
A more pertinent area to pick on is why these countries are so dysfunctional. It is not as though Uncle Sam has clean hands when it comes to neocolonialism and military adventurism. Libya has been transformed into a basket case and US troops are still scattered over swathes of Africa. Zimbabwe and Nigeria to name but two, are hardly bastions of democracy. Colonialism also created chaos with many artificial boundaries and the post colonial history added additional layers of suffering. The Congo, Biafran War and the abrupt withdrawal of Portugal out of Africa caused innumerable deaths. Wherever oil has been found the revenues have largely been diverted to the elite and the lot of the common man deteriorated.
Having worked all over Africa for over 30 years I can safely say that when compared to the West many of these places are shitholes. But
for the most part it was the West that created them and policies of the west do little to change this status quo.
Shithole may not be the nicest word in the dictionary but if you want to see humanity on the lowest levels of existence with starvation, disease, substandard housing and all the other negatives that this situation brings, then what other word exists to come even close to describing the situation.
It is pretty clear to me why such people want to flock to the land of milk and honey. Would you want to raise your kids in such deprivation if you had the chance to escape?
From the days of the Vietnamese boat people of the early 70's to the present North African Boat people, they all have one aim: To escape the conditions that We, the wesr, largely created.


"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

We need lots more organisation on the reaping side of things. Those numerous drownings are an affront to humanity!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:38 AM

Iains, Trump has been especially criticized for his remark not just because it was foul language, but because it referred to Haiti and African nations in a policy discussion with legislators about immigration--in which he also voiced a preference for immigants from predominantly white Norway(!).

If you feel that even encouraging immigration from these countries to the US is a woefully inadequate remedy for the damage its neocolonialism has caused, and that those who profited from it should take commensurate steps to repair that damage, I agree, but I doubt that Trump or his supporters would.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:40 AM

Ah Iains, like you I've travelled to many African countries (mainly in the West of the continent though) and while I agree that European colonisation has helped itself to their resources, it has also set up many beneficial infrastructures: railways, roads, the Port at Abidjan (designed, built and financed by the French), clinics, schools etc. There have been benefits as well.

And from my and my husband's viewpoint, the corruption BY AFRICANS has been appalling. Once countries were granted their independence, the indigenous politicians promptly set out to milk the place dry. Many of them don't even live in their own 'shit-holes' but have decamped to Europe, while keeping their fingers in the pie back home. They ignore and don't even care about the dreadful poverty they perpetrate. As long as they and their families are rich and prosperous, they're laughing.

There are faults on many sides, and yes, these places ARE shitholes. But is it wise or diplomatic for a Head of State to actually make such an insulting remark in public? Does it not shut off any possibilities for discussion, negotiation or mutual understanding? It's childish, rude and dangerous.
Please don't imagine for one moment that I can't sympathise with the poor refugees and boat people who, as you say, are desperate enough to risk their lives in flimsy boats to get to the Promised Land. It says it all about the conditions at home. I have a whole family in Ivory Coast under my and my sister's protection and help. But the answer is not to insult them. They need their evil blood-sucking ministers ousting and some kind of moral government set in place. They need Aid, and support.
Trump is a fool, a bigot, a racist, a misogynist and a dangerous loose cannon.
(Sorry this is a bit long, but Africa is close to my heart)

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 07:08 AM

Comes across as racist to everyone else in the world. So that's what America is like, we think.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 08:39 AM

Jackaroodave. A preferaece for people from Norway is hardly racist. The average Norweigian is highly educated, speaks english better than most englishment and requires no learning curve to be a useful member of society. The converse side of the coin, if dealing in generalities, is that the average African immigrant(through no fault of his own) is generally poorly educated, may have medical issues,and will require a closer security vetting. It will also take longer for integration to occur. Sweeping generalities I know but that is the underlying reality.
    Attempts to cure the problems in the home countries would be a more beneficial longterm solution, but the will is not there.
    Controversy still rages over the death of UN secretary general Dag Hammarskjöld in Africa and who engineered the coup against Patrice Lumumba leader of the DRC(CIA, MI6 et al.) This is a country still being raped of it's resources. 60% of world cobalt production is from the Congo. Without it phones or electric cars dramatically curtailed.
A percentage of the mining involves the use of children that apparently is conveniently overlooked by the main users. Despite nominal Independence the major powers are still manoeuvering in many countries raping their natural resources.
We like all the latest toys but seem unwilling to accept the human cost involved in their manufacture. The ethics has to move far far beyond fair trade coffee.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 09:38 AM

Yeah, like the Norwegians are all lining up to come over here to escape socialized medicine.

I actually knew a number of African immigrants my Japanese wife studied ESL with in Portland, Maine. As a group they were quite successful in joining and contributing to our city, as citizens, entrepreneurs, community leaders.

Of course simply by getting over here, in spite of hellish conditions and terrific obstacles, they had to be a talented and persevering bunch. Their futures seem much brighter than those of the white working class whose traditional jobs have headed south and abroad.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 10:07 AM

A 30 year career in Africa. Well... You are enlightened now. In your day I can only guess you may have served the ambition of colonial investments in oil or mining?   As you know the growing financial overlords in Africa today are the Chinese. I get the impression they are raping Africa a bit more humanely than we did but I can not be sure. Rape is still rape.

Mining and oil production is crude. No pun intended. The poor scrape for Coltan with their fingernails for borderline subsistence. This is what America does for cheap candy crush machines.


As for Trump's one trick of distract and destroy,
This week it is 'shit hole' and 5 unconstitutional issues disappear down the shit hole.
Next week it will be 'fuckwad'

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 10:23 AM

Growing up, Lumumba was a household name. Like RFK if he had lived we would not have many of the horrors we speak of. We would have different ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 10:26 AM

When I was at all boys grammar school 45 years ago we had a rich vocabulary of words
which have these days been quite rightly banished from enlightened discourse...

In some ways it's a bit of a shame because some of those words belonged to a tradition of inventive abuse;
..and can still raise an involuntary transgressive nostalgic chuckle when heard in ancient British TV shows and movies...

Maybe Trump is the last man alive we might ever hear saying such words in public..!!!???

Boris Johnson can be relied on for lesser non-crude archaic posh public schoolboy insults,
but Trump is the man we can hope might entertain and thrill with outbursts of long forbidden abusive sweary language...???

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 10:32 AM

Referring to African nations as "Shitholes" is not only racist but mean-spirited. The utter disdain he shows for anyone who is not in his millionaire's club is appalling. And of course the 30% of working class voters who supported him deserve to be hung out to dry.

The damage this deranged President has and will cause will live on far beyond his one term presidency.

Charlie Ipcar

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 10:39 AM

How f@cked are USA politics...????

seriously.. Oprah Winfrey..??????

How long before the Democrats start nominating comic book superheroes and animated cartoon animals...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 11:18 AM

punkfolkrocker I thought Tony Stark the arms dealer would be a Republican fav. We had a Teflon and untouchable President how about an Iron President?

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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 11:25 AM

The extinct Norris geyser has been renamed 'Trump Hole'.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 11:31 AM

From our Brit perspective, the Republicans could nominate Harvey Weinstein and win by a landslide...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 11:35 AM

Not just from the Brit perspective..... They'd have an even better chance if they ran Roy Moore with him as VP.