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BS: to heal historical trauma

keberoxu 13 Jan 18 - 03:21 PM
Donuel 13 Jan 18 - 04:45 PM
bobad 13 Jan 18 - 06:37 PM
Steve Shaw 13 Jan 18 - 08:07 PM
robomatic 13 Jan 18 - 09:37 PM
Dave the Gnome 14 Jan 18 - 03:50 AM
Senoufou 14 Jan 18 - 03:58 AM
Iains 14 Jan 18 - 04:12 AM
Donuel 14 Jan 18 - 10:05 AM
Senoufou 14 Jan 18 - 10:11 AM
keberoxu 14 Jan 18 - 12:06 PM
Donuel 14 Jan 18 - 12:53 PM
keberoxu 14 Jan 18 - 01:11 PM
Rapparee 14 Jan 18 - 08:12 PM
keberoxu 15 Jan 18 - 01:52 PM
keberoxu 16 Jan 18 - 11:21 AM

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Subject: BS:breaking the cycle of violence
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 03:21 PM

Historical trauma is not a new topic in this forum.
Many threads, of different ages, exists with discussions of historical trauma.
Not a few such threads are a mixture of combativeness with posts that are thoughtful and compassionate.
Rather than revive old ones, perhaps there is value in a fresh thread on the familiar topic.

It is easy to let the emotions override common sense
when considering man's inhumanity to fellow man.
It is convenient to vent in posts at forums like this,
such posts may make the poster feel something of value
but at the expense of giving offense to others.

Regardless, at the same time,
generations of caregivers and members of the helping profession
confront, and are confronted with,
the consequences of historical trauma, in those who need healing.
And that struggle to heal and to overcome continues,
regardless of all the noise and venting that goes on.

Here is a link to one example.
Addressing the Contagion of Violence

Might examples like the preceding,
provide a constructive alternative
to the ranting and name-calling posts
which vent emotions while giving offense?


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 04:45 PM

The British boys club are playing under different rules keb.
Their venting is practiced and non injurious.
It will not end in revenge as harsh words
might in the States.

If you really upset them the most they would do is declare a citizens arrest in a civilized manner and then back down. Respectfully.

Would you like some tea dear?


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: bobad
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:37 PM

It's a Brit thing - we here in the colonies are only too familiar with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 08:07 PM

Er, combativeness is not incompatible with thoughtfulness/compassion, and it's downright mischievous to juxtapose them as either-or. If you're right, you shouldn't compromise. All it needs is for you to be sure that you're right (actually, that's the hard bit, though being religious helps).

Discuss...


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 09:37 PM

All you old colonizers prepare to apologize in every direction!


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 03:50 AM

I apologise for any colonics I have inadvertently given. That is what colonisation is isn't it?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 03:58 AM

I'd love a nice cup of tea Donuel dear. (And how about a nice toasted crumpet with butter as well?)


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 04:12 AM

Time generally does the job. But for a firsthand view I suggest a little chat with the Indigenous Peoples.


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 10:05 AM

Have you any scones, ah there they are on top. I do love to tear off a morsel and have a bit of jam but my consultant says I should avoid the sugar. -out stretched pinkie-

btw an American scone is similar to a stone.


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 10:11 AM

You've forgotten the digestive biscuits Donuel. And I put butter, cream AND jam on scones. (I'm a fat old biddy, me!)


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Subject: Native Americans in Canada: survivors
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 12:06 PM

The old thread that I had in mind was
ThreadId=163432 where the posts come from North America largely.
I am lousy at linking to one Mudcat thread within a post to another Mudcat thread,
otherwise I would do so here.

And there was a specific situation I had in mind as well.
I was on the mailing list, before 1995,
for the Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Foundation,
having participated in one of their five-day intensives,
which was held in the United States where I live.

Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Foundation (Kamloops is mentioned in EKR archives onsite)

It was from the E K-R Foundation, however, that
I first heard of Kamloops, British Columbia.
Later I would hear of Port Alberni on Vancouver Island,
which is where a young UC minister named Kevin Annett made his entrance.
But Annett was still a parish minister
in 1992 when Elisabeth Kübler-Ross and her team of counselors
were traveling to Kamloops to support traumatized people.

Elisabeth Kübler-Ross witnessed the camp of Majdanek at the end of the second War,
and has regularly spoken/written of same in telling her own story;
so genocide was something she took seriously.
Her Foundation, when acknowledging their work in Kamloops,
for some reason used the term "mass murder" rather than "genocide."
By whatever name you call it, Kübler-Ross knew whereof she spoke,
and she and her team were on the front lines working with survivors.

Recently the name Kevin Annett came up for the first time for me.
Annett is big on information, messages, communication, and
getting people to notice him and listen to him. He is noisy.

While you, or I, may have reservations about Dr. Kübler-Ross,
about the taboos she broke or the causes she pursued,
or the company in which she pursued those causes,
her commitment to her fellow man, if flawed, is common knowledge.
People in the helping professions know her work.

However, I have contacted someone, let's say, working the front lines with survivors and the generations born later than the survivors,
someone who respects Kübler-Ross's contributions.
And asked this professional about Kevin Annett.
The response was : "never heard of him."
This made me stop and think.

The professional I contacted is well-informed on Native American historical trauma
and has worked first-hand with Native American schoolchildren
in an initiative to prevent adolescent suicides and to stop bullying.
I am convinced that this person knows the score.
And if such a professional can live without Kevin Annett's noisemaking,
I probably can as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 12:53 PM

Be your own man keb


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:11 PM

Thanks, your heart is in the right place --

I'm a sixty-year-old woman, as it happens.
(Now, I feel like some kind of CATFISH.)


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 08:12 PM

My, you're but a broth of a girl. I, myself, am old enough to be your father (if I had started young).


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 01:52 PM

Canadian journalist Terry Glavin
takes the Canadian residential-school history seriously,
he has authored one book about a specific residential school
with the assistance of survivors of the school.
Terry Glavin has a blog where this historical trauma,
amongst others, is reasonably written about,
which predictably
attracts comment posts
that are either reasonable or far from reasonable.

Terry Glavin's blog


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Subject: RE: BS: to heal historical trauma
From: keberoxu
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 11:21 AM

Rapparee, your chivalry knows no bounds.

By young, may I ask, do you mean
"Romeo and Juliet" young?
As in, teenagers?


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