BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?

Subject: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 11:23 AM

If Julian Assange had been confined to a foreign embassy in Moscow or Beijing for five years, on the same grounds on which he has been confined to the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, his plight would have been a cause celebre, sparking calls for boycotts, sanctions, and action at the UN on the part of free speech and prisoner of conscience liberals in the West who are never done excoriating Russia and China.

As it is the UN has already intervened in the matter of the plight of the Wikileaks founder. In February 2016 the United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention determined that the "arbitrary detention of Julian Assange should be brought to an end, that his physical integrity and freedom of movement be respected, and that he should be entitled to an enforceable right to compensation."

"Given that the Swedish authorities dropped their investigation into the original charges of rape and sexual molestation" made against Assange in 2010 and which he has always denied and claims were politically motivated" the outstanding UK arrest warrant for breaching bail conditions in 2012 which relates to those charges is surely now moot. Julian Assange, you may recall, sought refuge in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London fearing not extradition to Sweden but to the US over his role as founder and public face of Wikileaks
This would seem unfair persecution and originally a device to ensure his eventual extradition to the US.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 11:46 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 11:54 AM

Well he certainly gave wide publicity to items that the NSA and GCHQ would prefer buried for eternity. Mankind one, the PTB zilch in my book.
As this site has a Pisa like quality on a 270 degree orientation, I shall be curious to see how others react.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 01:25 PM

Julian Assange refugee or criminal?.

No reason he can't be both.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 01:29 PM

Well greg the UN seems to have come down firmly on one side. Who am I to argue?

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 01:45 PM

Assange is Putin's useful idiot. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 02:22 PM

Perhaps later. Or maybe one today and the other tomorrow...

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 02:41 PM

Whatever his motives, Assange told people what they needed to know (not unlike Mordechai Vanunu)
We should be grateful to such people
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 06:26 AM

There was an extradition request from Sweden over sexual assault and rape accusations.
He handed himself in to the UK police, who released him on bail.
He then broke his bail conditions by seeking asylum in the embassy.

He is now wanted by UK police for breach of bail which is a criminal offence.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 07:14 AM

K of H. If the alternative to seeking asylum was to likely end up in the US where his co conspirator was sentenced to 35 years, what would a rational person do?
On 30 November 2016, the United Nations rejected the United Kingdom's attempt to appeal the UN's February ruling in favour of Julian Assange. The decision .... The United Kingdom and Sweden are also parties to the 1951 Convention and are obligated to recognise the asylum decision of Ecuador.

Not a lot of point in having a UN body if the US and UK often ignore their rulings.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 07:45 AM

The RAPE ALLEGATIONS were probably a fit-up in the first place and were dropped by Sweden nearly a year ago
Jim Caarroll

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 07:51 AM

Jim I doubt a single rational person would dispute your assumption.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 08:01 AM

UK had to recognise the extradition request, and has to issue a warrant over the bail infringement.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 09:10 AM

"UK had to recognise the extradition request, and has to issue a warrant over the bail infringement."
The extradition requests are now invalid by law and would have veen dropped if nSWEDEN HAD HAD HER WAY in 2013
No country is forced to obey extradition laws if the subject is not guaranteed a fair trial
As this whole case is about leaks concerning Governments, it is quite likely that Assange could end up untried in Guantanamo - a crime against humanity in itself
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 09:47 AM

The extradition warrant was upheld by a British court, and that decision was upheld on appeal to the High Court, and on further appeal by the Supreme Court.

So, UK had to recognise the extradition request, and had to issue a warrant over the bail infringement.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 10:11 AM

I think there was sufficient publicity given to the contrived construction of the ensuing charges in Sweden that complying with a patently false extradition request was a farce. Strange we do not deport criminals in case their precious human rights are abused yet the slightest whiff of politics and it is all systems go.
Perhaps the UK government should remember how our allies act!
"In USA v Mackin,45 for example, the UK requested the return of the applicant from the US for offences related to the attempted murder of a British soldier in Northern Ireland. Extradition was refused on the basis that the offences listed in the extradition request amounted to political offences"

Assange certainly pissed off a raft of politicos. I think he deserves a medal with bar. A medal for hacking them off and a bar for publicising their secrets.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 10:26 AM

"So, UK had to recognise the extradition request, and had to issue a warrant over the bail infringement."
It cannot be operated on because the charges it was issued for no longer exist
The only reason to insist that it be issued now is to get Assange banged up in Guantanamo for crimes against American Human Rights breeches
Britain and America have been sheltering and supposting and even acting alonside War Criminals and Human Rights abusers for over half a century - America has a whole string of human rights abuses and war crimes it has never been called on to answer for
You extremist right wingers are nothing if not inconsistent (and predictably so!) Keith
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 11:14 AM

Simple question Keith
Do you believe Assange can possibly receive a fair trial from the Trump administration?
If the answer is yes, convince us.
If not, why are you insisting that the British Government should collude in sending a man who has done us all such a great service by exposing political corruption, be put in the hands of a State which will almost certainly send him to to Guantanamo?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 11:21 AM

Iains Too late. I even hold your reasonable and ingratiating comments suspect.

Assange is only now your guy once he is an idealistic turn coat and your useful idiot?

What is he claiming now?

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 11:27 AM

Jim, our judiciary is independent.
They upheld the extradition so UK had to comply, but it is no longer in place.

Now he is only wanted for the bail infringement.

US judiciary is much less independent than ours.
Has USA asked for his extradition?

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 11:57 AM

"Jim, our judiciary is independent."
Yeah - SURE IT IS !!!
How long did the head honcho say regarding the Brimingham Six that it was better that innocent people should go to prison rather than guilty ones go free
I asked would Assagne get a fair trial if he was deported - you indicate that he wouldn't, I ask again, "why are you insisting that the British Government should collude in sending a man who has done us all such a great service by exposing political corruption, be put in the hands of a State which will almost certainly send him to to Guantanamo?"
Do you thing for on minute that the U.S. wouldn't snatch him if he left his refuge?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 12:40 PM

Donuel I may be accused of many things here but ingratiating surely ain't one of them. What on earth would be the point? Do you think I am trying to impress anyone? I am a sycophant to no one.
You are just hacked off he has shown kilary for what she is.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 01:32 PM

Odds are you only you support Trump for money. Sycophants do it for
gain, which makes them a; yes-man, bootlicker, brown-noser, toady,
lickspittle, flatterer, flunky, doormat, liar, stooge and suck-up.
How are you different? Besides you do not seem to know enough.

The fundamental dangerous discussion involves Trillions of dollars of
Russian oil reserves and exploration by Exxon still under long
standing US sanctions that blocks the Russian State Oil monopoly from
exporting oil, that would otherwise end up in Trump's pocket.

You see Trump has risked everything for a 20% share of Russian oil.
What do you think Rex Tillerson is there for?

Although Trump will not enforce the new congressional sanctions, they still serve as a blocking pawn to the oil deal*.

Do you really think this is about Conservative values? JEEZ Louise.


*63 million square acres worth.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 02:25 PM

Rarely are any of us told the truth, so I suggest you sincerely digest this truth and look at any or all of Trump's; behavior, tweets, Russian meetings, department political appointments and vehemence with NEW EYES of truth.

Then you too will be able to understand and prognosticate Trump's every remark and move. It all comes down to one trick - not just making money BUT making a shit load of money, no matter what stands in his way.

Keep your Hillary killary crap in your back pocket, who cares anymore.
Get back to the real now, or stay lost in the Russian infected past.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 02:25 PM

Jim,
sending a man who has done us all such a great service by exposing political corruption, be put in the hands of a State which will almost certainly send him to to Guantanamo?"

Our judiciary is independent, and none more so.
I made no comment about extradition to US.
He has done me no service.
Guantanamo is the last place on Earth US would send him.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 04:16 PM

Donuel. Get real.-
Your deliberately cryptic postings fool no one. Fact. Russia exported more than 5.2 million barrels per day (b/d) of crude oil and condensate and more than 2.4 million b/d of petroleum products in 2016, mostly to countries in Europe.

Aug 29, 2017 - MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian oil companies will quickly find ways to work around tighter restrictions imposed this month by the United States on the foreign finance they can use, multiple Russian oil industry sources told Reuters.

Jan 2, 2018 - Top importer's Russian oil purchases seen up 200k b/d in 2018. January exports from Primorsk to fall 160k b/d y/y, FGE says. Europe's set to be stuck with a higher oil bill as Russia shifts more of its supply to the Chinese oil market.

I suggest you research topics before broadcasting false News!

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 04:36 PM

There is so much you don't know my friend, starting with research.

I see you googled Russia oil exports. C'mon Man. That's pathetic.

You will say I didn't warn you, I know different.
and as a fatalist
you won't care.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 04:59 PM

Could be I spend less time off planet than you!

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 05:04 PM

remember, if I were the professional, I couldn't talk to you at all.
Now we've talked, you haven't walked, you just continue to crawl.

yup yur a trmpliver fer life.   p'tooey ...clang!

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 05:13 PM

I'd a million times rather read deliberately cryptic than deliberately and gratuitously rude and insulting, frankly.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 05:44 PM

Ah Steve back from a Rugby match?
Shucks, I.m jus havin fun hidin da truth in the sock drawer for all to find.

Tradjedy on Robert's quest to be a teacher. With 3 months to go after 4 years he is denied a teacher's license.
He is not mean enough. Ohio State is afraid that students will take advantage of a savant.
Frankly, of course they would.
So?

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 05:52 PM

That's really rough, Donuel. As you know, we have corresponded. Please give Robert my commiserations.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 04:08 AM

"I made no comment about extradition to US."
Of course you didn't Keith - you never have had the balls to face the consequences of your extreme statements - children, refugees, Muslims...
Your starry eyed view of a judiciary which locked up six innocent men for seventeen years because it was convenient to do so and supported the massacre of unarmed protesters by the British army is ludicrous.
If Assange comes out he will be probably be arrested by the U.S. and incarcerated - probably without charge - he will end up in an orange jump suit and chains - untried - all for blowing the whistle on politicians
What kind of individual could support such an idea?
This is the insaner Trum Government we are talking about
You don't even have the balls to acknowledge that this withh happen to him
Sick!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 04:47 AM

You are incapable of rational thought on this as on so many issues.
I have nothing to add.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 04:57 AM

Sweden is on the list of countries in which the UK assumes that defendants are guaranteed a fair trial. That is a government rule, and decisions such as asylum and extradition follow it.

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 05:44 AM

May be a fair comment but everyone recognises that the initial charges were a bit iffy and extradition to the US would be much easier from Sweden than from the UK,
Interesting that australia has thrown him to the wolves, but of course Pine Gap is nothing to do with menwith hill and the NSA and leaks, IS IT?

Subject: RE: BS: Julian Assange refugee or criminal?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 02:57 PM

"I have nothing to add."
Business as usual then !
When have you ever?
Jim Carroll