BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 10:09 AM

whether it's medicinal or a fetish - depends where he stings himself...???

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Jos
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 10:13 AM

I often get stung by nettles (I don't like gardening in gloves), and I hardly ever get hayfever, but that doesn't mean the two are connected.
Someone who is susceptible to pollen told me he puts vaseline round the inside of his nostrils to catch the pollen as the air passes over it. Worth a try, maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 10:18 AM

Hahaha! I don't think that nettles suggestion will appeal somehow! He hates stinging nettles; they were the first weeds he identified when doing gardening for the first time. (He learned the hard way)

I'll pass on your ideas Dave, as we're desperate for anything that might help.

He's on the last day of Ramadan, and wasn't too keen on taking the Piriton tablet (absolutely nothing should pass one's lips during the daylight hours) but it ends this evening at around 9pm (start of Eid el Fitr) and I persuaded him neither God nor Mohammed would mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 10:33 AM

One cetirizine tablet a day that should have read. Rhere are some branded tablets that are cetirizine (I think Pititon now market one as 'non-drowsy') but I have never spotted a difference between them at up to £5 a box and the generic ones from supermarkets and discount shops at 79p! Standard Piriton (chlorphenamine) sedates most people which is probably why hubby feels so groggy. You may be able to get round it if you can convince him to drink strong coffee but the crash from that later on is probably even worse :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 01:13 PM

It's so kind of you to post these suggestions! Thank you so much!

He has a huge quantity of different medications in his bedside cabinet, including Piriton, Pirinase, Piritese, Otravine, Vaseline (as Jos suggested, he puts it around his nostrils to trap any pollen) and even some strange crystals to which one adds boiling water and inhales the steam (decongestant)
The only thing that has much effect is the Piriton. He only has a short journey to work in the car, but still, I do worry about the drowsiness.
It's worse this year than we can ever remember.

He gets fiery hot and has a fierce headache too. I did think it was recurring malaria, but he says it isn't (and he should know - he's had that loads of times back in Africa!)
Sorry about going on and on, but I'm rather worried.
I'll try and get him to have a doctor's appointment.

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 02:18 PM

We just watched the BBC 2 part documentary "Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors "

Current theories are that 'modern' humans migrated out of Africa and interbred with their distant cousins
to produce Europeans.

Present day Europeans carry part Neanderthal DNA.

Modern humans who stayed in Africa don't.

Part 2 of the documentary suggested [too briefly] how this might affect health conditions differently
for Europeans and Africans...

Not a bad 2 hours of TV...

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Jos
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 02:22 PM

I have read (can't remember where but I'm pretty sure it was an academic publication) that Muslims with medical conditions (this includes pregnancy) have a dispensation and are allowed to eat drink or take medicines where necessary for their health. They then make up for it either by fasting later when they are fitter, or by carrying out an act of charity.

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 02:58 PM

It's true Jos that Africans have a different set of health risks to Europeans. They are likely to have higher blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular problems and strokes for example. Also allergies, since they won't have had contact with many of the allergens that are encountered in Europe.

I often get ribbed about my probable Neanderthal DNA. He does a very good gorilla act to tease me, but won't believe that Neanderthals weren't all that different to Homo Sapiens in appearance, (according to an interesting TV programme I watched recently)

You're right pfr, Muslims can be excused the Fast if they are ill, pregnant, frail etc. My sister-in-law Rakieta has TB unfortunately (she's having treatment which we're monitoring and funding) and so isn't doing Ramadan. But my husband has nearly completed his Fast and didn't want to spoil it on the last day. I'm not convinced that God wants people to suffer, and I'm sure He wouldn't mind anyone having a Piriton tablet!

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 07:56 AM

I was told recently that the life cycle of a wasp (dunno which) is tied-up with the fig, and visa versa. Which leaves traces of the insect DNA in the fig.

go figure.................

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 09:05 AM

Otrivine should be banned. After a few uses the congestion returns on the rebound, much worse than before the Otrivine did its dirty work. Bin it!

Subject: RE: BS: Meat traces found in vegan meals!!!
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 10:13 AM

You're quite right Steve. My sister warned us about that - it actually causes inflammation of the nasal passages. He doesn't use it much now, just if he's desperate.

It's strange, because he's just done four hours of intensive gardening, cutting the grass, clipping back flowering shrubs and pulling out weeds in full flower, but his nose seems to be behaving itself.
I'm beginning to think it was indeed the crop-spraying.