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BS: If you can't beat them join them

Donuel 29 Oct 18 - 10:56 AM
Iains 29 Oct 18 - 11:07 AM
Donuel 29 Oct 18 - 12:55 PM
keberoxu 29 Oct 18 - 01:54 PM
Donuel 29 Oct 18 - 03:18 PM
Joe Offer 29 Oct 18 - 03:28 PM
Donuel 29 Oct 18 - 03:44 PM
Joe Offer 29 Oct 18 - 04:50 PM
Joe Offer 29 Oct 18 - 04:56 PM
Jos 29 Oct 18 - 05:30 PM
Donuel 29 Oct 18 - 07:10 PM
BobL 30 Oct 18 - 02:49 AM
Joe Offer 30 Oct 18 - 03:05 AM
Donuel 30 Oct 18 - 05:55 AM
Mossback 30 Oct 18 - 09:18 AM
frogprince 30 Oct 18 - 08:20 PM
Donuel 30 Oct 18 - 08:41 PM
Joe Offer 30 Oct 18 - 11:14 PM
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Subject: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 10:56 AM

By joining, all you need to do is not critisize and shut up.
Only others will pay with their lives.

Merkle is out. Right wing forces have doubled in Germany. Poland has a right wing growth of 40%. Other countries in Europe are close to no change.
Brazil is now under a new right wing President shoulder to shullder with Trump.
We know where Russia and China stand.
In the event the US falls under the right wing Trump iron curtain - that leaves Canada as a bastion of Democracy.
Where Britain stands sounds shakey and certainly without US support it is lost to right wing forces.
The largest Democracy is India but I am sure they will do the expedient thing.

Oh well Democracy was only an experiment by Masonic, slave owning founding fathers.
It does not mean that bearded bruce must be your best friend it only means people like him will be in charge.
Be like Joe, he has good practice.

This shift began with the 2008 finacial redistribution. Where it ends is up to each of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Iains
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 11:07 AM

Merkel will still be around until 2021. If a week in politics is a long time then what will several more years bring?


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 12:55 PM

Shhh silence is compliance
or you will not get wages for cages


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 01:54 PM

Is this article on culture wars relevant?


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 03:18 PM

Shhh
Fall for the Wall, its odd but its a job


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 03:28 PM

I call myself a "radical moderate," but mostly I don't like to be fit into boxes. I find most times that neither liberals nor conservatives can figure out what I'm about. The conservatives think I'm a horrible liberal, and the liberals think I'm a traitor to the cause.

I spend most of my time trying to think from the perspectives of other people. In discussion, I like to explore things from as wide a variety of perspectives as possible. I rarely take positions until I have to take action, and this frustrates the hell out of people who are more closely tied to an ideology. And even when I'm in the course of taking an action, I'm apt to stop and reassess from a variety of perspectives. My primary goal is to try to find a meeting point, a place where opposing sides can come together. This isn't a popular goal these days, so it tends to get me in a lot of trouble. But I keep believing that there must be a meeting point.

This Trump phenomenon has me stumped, however. People that I like very much have bought into this position, and I'm finding it very difficult to converse with them - even though I may have found it quite easy to tale with them in the past. Some of them were quite progressive at one time, but now it's like they're zombies, controlled by the Mind of Trump. They get very nervous in the presence of questioning or conflicting ideas, or even when I ask them for explanation of their thinking.

In many situations, I refuse to take a stance. That makes people very nervous, and they don't know whether they can trust me because they're not assured that I am on "their side." It's kinda like when I go into a store, and the sales person asks if they can help and I respond, "No, thanks, I'm just looking around." And then they think I'm casing the joint to shoplift or something, so they tail me nervously from a distance.

But I just keep looking around and exploring various perspectives, and people get very impatient with me and keep waiting for me to make a decision and take a stand. But I don't.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 03:44 PM

They forgot the optics and killed a ______
it all adds up the way they figure

That's the problem with the grey zone Joe.
You expect a locus or a meeting point
but they don't want one.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 04:50 PM

I didn't understand the reference to "optics." Apparently, it's something the synagogue shooter posted on a social network site - "Screw the optics, I'm going in."
Can somebody explain?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 04:56 PM

Donuel, I will agree with you that there is no "meeting point" with ideologues on the extremes, but I think that most of the rest of us can come to a working consensus. That consensus may not satisfy everyone to exact specifications, but it should fulfill the basic needs of most people.

Maybe we need to learn to let go of exact specifications and learn to live within broader limits. If we could learn to be a little less fussy, maybe we could learn to live enjoyably with a wider spectrum of people.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Jos
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 05:30 PM

On 'optics' there are two possibilities:

1. The sights on a rifle - maybe he wasn't going to bother taking careful aim, he was just going to fire indiscriminately.

2. The term 'optics' has been used lately to mean the impression made or likely public reaction, 'how things appear to other people' - in which case he wasn't bothered what anyone else would think of what he was going to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 07:10 PM

These are the dangerous times I hoped was over when Hitler was defeated.
The slow boil and murder of Blacks, Jews, Gays and Democrats is our largest terrorist threat. The meanness of withdrawing health care from the infirm also parallels the third Reich. A year ago the threat of war with Korea did not go as far as the threat of civil war in this country with 300 million guns.

Don't get hung up on the rhyming catch phrases. They are just brain droppings in the absence of dialogue.

Right now Trump is giving permission as opposed to giving orders to the armed and dangerous. He has raised the veil and proudly proclaims he is a Nationalist. There is no room for doubt, joking or excuses anymore.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: BobL
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 02:49 AM

Nationalism, regionalism, tribalism, nepotism, are all collective selfishness. Only the scales are different.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 03:05 AM

Donuel will disagree with me, but I still think that humor is one of the most effective tools for keeping Trump in line. Saturday Night Live has been consistently good, as are many of the covers of Time Magazine [the best Time covers are this series (click)]. Trump hates to be laughed at.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 05:55 AM

It took a year and a half but his behavior finally made me genuinely angry.
The National emergency now includes false claims of small pox and leprosey being carried by caravans of immigrants and a presidential order being used to change birthright in the Constitution. Small Pox does not exist in the natural world folks. Changing the Cnstitution requires a 2/3 vote by all the states.
Trump did not claim deadly attacks by ufo's,   yet


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Mossback
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 09:18 AM

humor is one of the most effective tools for keeping Trump in line.

Yup, we can all laugh ourselves right into the gas chambers.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: frogprince
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 08:20 PM

I just stuck my neck out just enough to post this on facebook:

President Trump is now set on negating the 14th amendment of the Constitution of the United States by executive order. The rationale given is the wording "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in the amendment. That wording sets apart people who are in this country with a status of diplomatic immunity.   Other non-citizens in this country, legally or otherwise, have never been constitutionally exempted from the enforcement of the laws of our country.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 08:41 PM

That's too innocuous and vague for me so I think you have succeeded in saving your neck from Facebook knee jerk slander attacks.

If Congress gets mixed up in this it should end up in the Supreme court.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Oct 18 - 11:14 PM

Trump is planning to negate the Constitution by executive order? Certainly, the citizenship-by-birth portion of the 14th Amendment is more clear and definitive, than is the "right to bear arms" portion of the Second Amendment.

But I suppose Trump just wants to win seats in next week's election, and won't bother with his executive order after that. Although, I suppose he could issue his executive order right now along with his "middle-class tax cut," and the voters won't figure out his fraud until AFTER the election.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Mossback
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 08:12 AM

Destroying the Constitution (and the country) is the funniest thing to come along in decades, Mr. Offer. Why aren't you laughing?


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 09:02 AM

Good comparison Joe

Mossback I'm laughing at my Halloween decorations this year. Steve Colbert is just displaying Newspaper Headlines for a scary effect.


btw my neighbor is displaying about a 1,000 dollars of 30 animatronic skeletons and similar store bought shlock. I spent about $50.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 12:51 PM

I guess you see things differently, Mossback. These are tough times. If we obsess over them, the negativity will overwhelm us and break our spirits, and we will succumb to cynicism and anger. I'm afraid you've succumbed, and you feel some need to stalk me and bring me down with you.

I prefer to do what it takes to survive all this. To do that, I have to deal with the negative in constructive instead of destructive ways, being certain to seek out the positive side of life that continues to exist despite our dire political situation.

I am surrounded by trees and wildlife and blue skies, and by people who sing and laugh and enjoy each other. They are all still as beautiful as they were before Trump became President.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Mossback
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 02:29 PM

you feel some need to stalk me

Oh please, Mr. Offer. STALK you? You're hardly worth the time required for that. Or is there some reason I'm enjoined from responding to your posts?

If you're not angry, you're not paying attention; facing reality isn't obsession or cynicism.

I have to deal with the negative in constructive instead of destructive ways

You bet. Just keep singing Kumbaya & everything will come out all right in the end.

And Direct Your Feet To The Sunny Side Of The Street.

Best,

Bill


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 02:51 PM

You see things differently, Mossback. That's fine with me. Now, leave me alone. The fact that I'm a moderator, does not mean that I deserve your insults.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 04:03 PM

Trump should be made aware of a shortage of size 52 Tall Orange jumpsuits so he can stock up.

When we are somewhat on the same side give into it.
The other side is too dangerous to let win.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join ' them'
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 04:19 PM

Mossback you are a breath of fresh air as long as you don't adopt a fight picking troll status. :^/ be that as it may, I'm not joining 'them'.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Mossback
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 04:52 PM

as long as you don't adopt a fight picking troll status

Not my intention. If you see me edging that way, give me a zots.

When we are somewhat on the same side give into it.

I don't think "somewhat" is sufficient for the current crisis- folks need to decide if they're going to oppose Trumpist racist anti-semitic Nazi anti-democratic white supremacist fascist bullshit or not.

Should be an easy decision.

Kumbaya ain't gonna cut it.

Peace,

Bill


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 06:58 PM

Which side are on tell me which side are you on


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 07:33 PM

Its getting hard to vote for Trump because I just don't feel I got my 3 Trillion dollars worth of tax cuts and trillions in increased deficit. Maybe after another couple more years everthing will be more clear cut.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 10:46 PM

I was at the supermarket in our small, right-wing Northern California town this evening. A big, black pickup truck drove by in the parking lot, with a huge Trump/MAGA flag mounted in the trailer hitch. It looked ominous. Those people are scary.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 09:15 AM

"Those people are scary."
You can say that again, and not just in America
Ireland has just had a referendum to elect a President, usually fairly friendly affairs - the last three have elected three of the finest, two superb women leaders, Mary Robinson and Mar Macaleese and the present incumbent, a gentle, principled man, Michael D Higgins
Michael D's first election was fine but this one was a somewhat dirty, mud-slinging match contested by among a few others, three 'Dragons Den' panellists (I'm assuming our American cousins know of this appalling, backbiting TV Show) - Higgins was targeted viciously by the three and by sections of the media.
A lat minute entry was Peter Casey, a returned Yank, a Trumpite millionaire who, as a returned Irishman, does not pay Irish taxes, who 'went populist' and decided to attack Travellers (the usually tolerant Irish people's Achilles heel), unfortunately; he then went on to attack the 'sponging "state dependency" section of the public, the less fortunate who are forced to seek state aid in order to feed their families.
This rang a bell with our rednecks and Casey's support sprang from an estimated 2 percent to the final figure of 22 percent on election day – thankfully, Higgins romped home with overwatch half the vote – but next time…..! BUT NEXT TIME !!!
Ireland is being targeted by the extreme right; Farage has been campaigning for Ireland to "Eire-exit' from Europe and American religious fundamentalists, having funded the Anti-abortionists and those wishing to keep the blasphemy laws (both failed thankfully) are now supporting medical 'refuseniks' who do not wish to adhere to the result of the pregnancy termination referendum   
MORE EVIDENCE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TO 'HOLY IRELAND'
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 11:48 AM

I have a Dump Trump badge and I'm not even a yank.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Mossback
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 12:35 PM

Y'all want scary?

""Trump has literally said that black and brown people from Latin and South America are "vermin." He has also called them, as well as Muslims, "snakes" or an "infestation." This is quite literally Nazi rhetoric. But few if any voices who are allowed on mainstream cable news or other outlets will explain this reality.""

Continue Reading


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 02:54 PM

Last year I was attacked while driving and struck by a MAGA dually pick up truck . When I posted this there was no response. It happens. But the coward took off, committing a hit and run.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 04:51 PM

Kathy Griffin is selling "Fuck Trump" mugs, Christmas ornaments, hats & t-shirts.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 06:50 PM

Jeri you could sell fuck Kathy Griffen mugs that are appealing and sexy or you could make Xmas grab bag pussy purses. I'd go with pussy purses, they are a winner.

Make acclaimed Griffen acceptable
MAGA


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 05:49 AM

People will lie to polls in Trump country.
We will find out if America is mostly Nazi or Democracy enthusiasts.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Mossback
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 08:44 AM

If Twitler plans to burn the Reichstag he'd better get to it - only a few days left.

Of course, he could be planning to do it AFTER the elections........


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 10:21 AM

Well then he will have 15,000 troops with nothing else to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Mossback
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 12:51 PM

Telling U.S. troops to shoot civilians throwing rocks? Looks like Twitler's taking his cues from the Israeli Army.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 03:37 PM

The Pentagon rejects Trump ordering 15,000 troops for crowd control today.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 18 - 08:37 AM

Mossback, you beat Bill Mahre to the same joke/observation.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 18 - 09:42 AM

Facebook deletes 1.3 BILLION fake accounts prior to election.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you can't beat them join them
From: Mossback
Date: 03 Nov 18 - 09:59 AM

Well, Donuel, if I'm with Bill Mahre on this one, I'm in good company.

Unfortunately, tho, its not a damn joke.


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