BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?

Subject: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 07:45 AM

As I asked in the First name Only thread how many of the 12 apostles can you name?
No spoilers please, but claim your totals here and maybe tell us if you are
a) an active churchgoer
b) once active now lapsed/ atheist
c) old enough to have learnt it at school

My score was 7 I was certain of, 3 + spare that were confirmed right by Wiki and 2 I should have got but didn't. I would have had to think hard to get them all, even in my active days.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 08:22 AM

As Jesus probably didn't exist, there probably weren't any apostles. Just blokes. But anyway I got eight. I missed two obvious ones and two that I'd never heard of, and I named one that wasn't one. Joe Offer will tell you what I believe in. He's good like that.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 08:58 AM

Oh I can name them all, and almost anything else you like that's in the Bible! I'm old enough to have had it drummed into me at Sunday School, school RE lessons and assemblies and weekly church services (CofE) throughout my rather long life.
I also taught RE (mandatory) to my primary school pupils.

As a bit of a feminist though, I do wish there was a lot more said about the women who were part of the retinue of Jesus. They catered for the domestic side of things and actually played quite a large role in the early Church.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 09:12 AM

Sen - As a non believer, I just happen to enjoy movies based on bible stories...

..rousing yarns that they can be... easily as good as Grimms fairy tales....

We watched the recent "Mary Magdelene" movie..

Stunningly visual evocation of the atmosphere of 2000 years ago.
Top cast and acting... but a really weak script and unengaging empty drama...

BTW.. I can start naming the magnificent 12, but go a bit off track when I get to George and Ringo....

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 09:27 AM

There are a few churches dedicated to St James the Less. You have to wonder if there are others dedicated to St Mildred the Forgettable and St Darren the Utterly Insignificant.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 09:36 AM

Oooh yes pfr, I've enjoyed loads of 'bibilical' films over the years, some of which my school took us to see ('Song of Bernadette', 'The Ten Commandments') I liked 'The Passion Of The Christ', 'Ben Hur' (where Jesus apparently heals the mother and daughter of leprosy) 'The Last Temptation Of Christ' etc.

I was also chosen to take part in countless Nativity plays and biblical depictions in my infant/junior school days, and produced many similar performances when teaching.

To folk of my age I suppose it was all a part of our culture, whether one was a fervent believer or not.

It's interesting to me to see how little today's youngsters know about Christianity. Many of them don't know the Lord's Prayer, and I bet hardly any could tell one the names of anybody whatsoever in the Bible!
I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing. I don't like fundamentalism in any form or in any religion. Tolerance and acceptance of all creeds and none are far better codes for living in my humble opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 09:38 AM

Or St Simon the Slightly Smelly! :)

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 09:38 AM

Steve, I think you've told us what you (don't) believe in, yourself. And I only said 'maybe tell us' - interested because I think the school teaching has changed . Which I approve of in a way - I don't think teaching of morals should be hung onto a peg of religion which pupils may not believe in or may see others giving only lip-service to.
On the other hand, even as an atheist, those stories are part of our folklore, as much as Goldilocks or Miss Muffet.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 09:40 AM

There's actually a real church in Blackfriars, London called 'St Andrew by the Wardrobe. What was he doing lurking there may one ask? Trying to pinch the clothes?

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 09:45 AM

Senoufou. I didn't end up teaching, but did read the Approved syllabus for RE (if it was called that) back in the 60s. Very fundamentalist. I suspect many teachers would have been teaching things they didn't quite believe in.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: G-Force
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 11:29 AM

You had to love our RE teacher at school. He used to walk about with detention slips hanging out of his bible.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Thompson
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 11:35 AM

And me thinking you were talking about a lagniappe.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 11:44 AM

Dasher, Dancer.... No, wait! Sleepy, Bashful, Dopey.... Oh, shit! I keep getting my fairy tales confused!

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 11:50 AM

In my first year of teaching I got railroaded into teaching a Year 7 class RE. I got into trouble on one occasion for punishing some naughty boys by making them copy out the Eight Beatitudes three times each.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Jos
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 12:11 PM

"Saint Andrew by the wardrobe"? - probably trying to get into Narnia and worship Aslan.

I'm not surprised at modern children knowing little about Christianity and/or the Bible, but I was surprised when one of the recent radio serials about life 100 years ago included someone reciting the Lord's Prayer and beginning it with "Our father, hallowed be your name ...". I'm not sure when the modern version began to be used, but I think it was nearer 50 years ago rather than 100. When I was younger no-one would have dreamed of using "you/your" when addressing God, rather than "thou/thy", and I would have expected the drama producers to know that.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 12:32 PM

Hahaha! Indeed Jos. I never thought of Narnia!

We were always taught 'Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy Name...' in the late forties (just after the War)
The Bible too was always the King James version, and the Book of Common Prayer 1662 version.

Have to say, the modern versions do jar a bit on my old ears. I miss the beautiful language I knew. It's rather as if Shakespeare were to be rendered in Estuary English. 'The lady doth protest too much methinks' might come out as 'Tell 'er ter quit whingeing. Any twit can see she's guilty as hell!'

I reckon schoolchildren should be shown all the major religions so that they aren't ignorant about others' beliefs. But no-one has the right to ram a particular belief down their throats.

I'm always suspicious of fiercely fundamentalist, strictly correct people who condemn and judge, discriminate and reject. They exist in every type of religion, and I've no time for them.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 12:51 PM

There is currently a bumper sticker that says "Pray for Trump. Psalm 109:8".

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 12:51 PM

Sen - not just religion... you just nicely summed up zealous brexiteers...

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 12:52 PM

Lapsed Christian here. I could only name 4. I think having stuff like that drummed into me as a kid has created a mental block!

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 12:59 PM

But were they right, Dave? Or did you include all 4 gospel-makers (and 3 rivals).
Sen - only go to church now-adays for funerals and have trouble with the updated words of the hymns.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 01:43 PM

You're right Mo.
In Hark the Herald Angels Sing, 'Pleased as Man with men to dwell' has become 'pleased as flesh with us to dwell'.
And 'offspring of a virgin's womb' has been changed to 'offspring of the chosen one'.
I'm afraid I stubbornly bellow out the original version and stare straight ahead with a face like fizz.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Thompson
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 01:44 PM

In my youth, Catholics said "Our Father, a wart in Heaven" and Protestants (people of the book) said "Our father, a chart in Heaven".

The apostles… hmm… well, Peter, that's easy; James and John, Jesus' brothers; Judas of course… that's about it for me, though if one of them were named I'd know he'd been one of the gang. Was Judas Thaddeus also an apostle, as well as the group's accountant, Judas Iscariot?

Oh, and Matthew, wasn't he an apostle too, the only one of the New Testament scribes who knew Jesus…

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 01:49 PM

Interestingly... I find I can no longer recall the names of The Mgnificent 7..

But have no problems at all with instantly reeling of Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich...

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 02:08 PM

Or perhaps Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb?

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Jos
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 02:09 PM

And what about Uncle Tom Cobbley's companions? I remembered them fairly easily, but I never did know the names of the Magnificent Seven.

Thompson's "a wart in Heaven" reminds me of something I always find annoying - people pronouncing Saint John's wort as if it is "Saint John's wart". I always imagine Saint John with a big wart on his nose.
For the pronunciation of "wort", think of worm, and worth, and word, and work, an worse ...

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 02:19 PM

Oh yes Jos! Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer etc. I always reel them off in a (probably terrible) faux-Devon accent.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 02:56 PM

Yes, the four I got were right :-) I got the one that doubted, the one that denied, the one that dobbed JC in and the one that had a domestic moment.

The Mrs said the gospel makers and I knew that wasn't right.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 03:01 PM

The pun should have been domestos rather than domestic moment. Spill checkout strokes again!

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 03:37 PM

Tom Cobley was a real man. His grave is a half-hour drive from my house, in the churchyard in the little village of Spreyton, near Okehampton in Devon. That particular Thomas Cobley died in 1844, though there's controversy in that the grave may be that of the real Tom Cobley's nephew, not Uncle Tom himself, who died in 1794 (allegedly buried in an unmarked grave) and who severely disproved of his nephew. There's an excellent pub in the village, renowned for its real ales and good food (I've been often and can vouch for both!), though the landlord, a very fine man of the old guard, is always in severe danger of talking the back legs off you. The pub's called, you might have guessed it, the Tom Cobley Tavern. If you go in spring on a sunshiny day the churchyard is an absolute delight, with a long avenue of tall trees, yet to burst into leaf, the grass underneath bedecked with primroses and celandines.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 04:18 PM

Since we've done so well (!) on the NT 12 how about the OT. 12 tribes.
I used to know them, now can only think of 3 or 4.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 04:53 PM

Disapproved! Not "disproved." Dammit.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 05:05 PM

Dave, thanks for the pm explaining, but the Domestos one was neither one or the original 12 nor the replacement (so perhaps that makes 14)

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 05:30 PM

So was jesus putting together a football or rugby team before things took a turn for the worse...???

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 05:50 PM

Jesus plays for Man City. Gabriel Jesus. Do try to keep up. Tsk.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 06:00 PM

I can't work out the Domestos pun Dave, sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 06:22 PM

Apostle Spoons
Pete Postlethwaite
Post Haste
A Postillion Struck by Lightning
Post Chaise
Post Natal
Apostrophe S
er... that's it...

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 10:01 PM

Jesus is also the name of the lovely but rather morose man who runs one of the two village bars in Alhabia in Almería province in Andalucía. I highly recommend his tapas, particularly the deep-fried peppers in batter. Very filling. He also does deep-fried prawns in batter, a thing of beauty as long as Jesus has remembered to take them out of his freezer for an hour first. I once spent a very nervous 48 hours wondering what vile ague was to befall me after biting through the lovely, crispy batter...into a rock-hard, still-blue frozen prawn. I made it, and I still eat his deep-fried prawns!

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 10:34 PM

I think you mean disciples. I can think of 8, but if Mary Magdalene counts, that's nine. I'm a churchgoer.

Ah, the doubter. That makes 10. Are you sure they are all named in the New Testament?

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jan 19 - 11:21 PM

In any gang of mates there's always a Dave...

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Thompson
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 02:33 AM

Peter Green and his Fleetwood Mac?

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 03:34 AM

Looked at a Wiki article, Mo, and it does say the domestos one was not one of the original 12 but "described himself as an apostle, one "born out of due time" (e.g., Romans 1:1, 1 Corinthians 15:8 and other letters) ".

Sen, PM sent.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 04:11 AM

Ha Dave, thank you! :)

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 04:19 AM

Steve Shaw probably believes more than I do. Belief-based religion gets us in trouble. What good does it do to believe in lists of stuff?

But Simon Peter, James, James the lesser, John, Andrew, Bartholomew, Philip, Judas Iscariot, Simon the Zealot, Matthew, Nathaniel, Jude Thaddeus.

Matthias was the spare.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: BobL
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 04:28 AM

Are you sure they are all named in the New Testament?

Well, they wouldn't be named elsewhere. They are listed in two of the Gospels - can't be bothered to find them at this precise moment - but some of the names in the two lists don't match.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 04:48 AM

ok... now name all the actors who played them...

.. there surely be at least one Dave amongst all 'em...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 05:16 AM

I neither believe nor not believe any of it, Joe. Now if you can come up with anything better than Josephus or Tacitus...

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 01:36 PM

A propos of nothing (but you know what I'm like) I had two boys in the same class once, each named after a chap in the NT.

Paul Small and
Mark Clark

The children were a bit cruel and called one Luke Puke! (The other one was a bit of a bruiser and would have given any teaser a clump, so they didn't dare taunt him)

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: leeneia
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 10:49 PM

Joe, I think you are pulling my leg.

Biblehub.net says
Bible Search

Your search - Jude Thaddeus - did not match any documents.
No pages were found containing "Jude Thaddeus".

also, where do James and John, the sons of Zebedee fit in? The millenials [sp] at church tell me this means Sons of Thunder.

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jan 19 - 12:34 AM

Zebedee...
Florence...
Dougal...

Subject: RE: BS: 12 and a spare, how many can you name?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jan 19 - 12:35 AM

oh.. wrong thread...