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Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Iains Date: 03 May 19 - 07:50 AM Having just seen the shortlist, how many are actually folk songs sensu stricto? On Raglan Road Green Fields of France Rainy Night in Soho The Foggy Dew The Town I Loved So Well Óró Sé Do Bheatha Bhaile Danny Boy The Parting Glass The Rocky Road to Dublin A Woman's Heart |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 03 May 19 - 10:13 AM Isn't The Parting Glass actually a Scottish song? |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Big Al Whittle Date: 03 May 19 - 10:26 AM probably - its about a bloke who's hoovered up all the drink. but now its his round so he bids you all goodnight. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Mrrzy Date: 03 May 19 - 10:37 AM When I was in Ireland everybody sang Red is the Rose but laughed at any of our requests, all too old apparently. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Tattie Bogle Date: 03 May 19 - 01:56 PM Bob Roberts' "Foggy Dew"? Ha-ha Guest, but not, to be sure, to be sure! Better than Peter Pears, anyhow! |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Iains Date: 03 May 19 - 02:25 PM Do you think the parting glass was half empty or half full? |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Connie O'Hayden Date: 03 May 19 - 03:04 PM https://youtu.be/uvsvPidMLT8 |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Thompson Date: 06 May 19 - 03:30 AM The version of The Foggy Dew they've chosen puts my teeth right on edge, because the singer has changed the words to suit himself. Did I really hear "perfidious Avion"? |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: The Sandman Date: 06 May 19 - 05:06 AM could it be perfidious avon , in honour of avon reps |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Date: 06 May 19 - 08:49 AM "...puts my teeth right on edge, because the singer has changed the words to suit himself... " Isn't that what traditional singers do - sometimes consciously, more often not? As a quick example, just think of "Off to Dublin in the Green" - a rewrite of a British Army recruiting song! In the end, of course, it's the listeners who decide what survives... Regards |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 May 19 - 10:13 AM I sang 'Foggy Dew' last night at our local singing session I love the puzzled expression on people's faces when you introduce the song and apparently proceed to singing something totally different Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Date: 06 May 19 - 10:26 AM Indeed, Jim! I get good value out of announcing that I’m going to sing “The Fields of Athenry” - and launch into (my version of) the song John Flanagan wrote as a response to the original! Regards |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Niamh Bird Date: 07 May 19 - 07:42 AM Interesting thread – though goes off topic....Song for Ireland was made famous in Ireland by the great Mary Black, and it’s sung quite a lot – still…. Generally it’s not known it was written by an English man…. And in The Foggy Dew (great rendition by Daoirí Farrell), the verse he sings mentions Perfidious Albion - Daoirí would never, ever change the words to suit himself, he has too much respect for the tradition.... oh the night fell black and the rifle's crack made perfidious Albion reel mid the leaded rail seven tongues of flame did shine o're the lines of steel by each shining blade a prayer was said that to Ireland her sons be true when the morning broke still the war flag shook out its fold on the foggy dew |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST Date: 08 May 19 - 08:58 AM Do we understand that the 'Foggy Dew' is Ireland's favourite folk song'? |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 08 May 19 - 09:05 AM 'Do we understand that the 'Foggy Dew' is Ireland's favourite folk song'?' I am not sure we understand the whole thing at all. What I do know is that the voting process is still in progress. But I say that without having followed much of it at all. Ireland's Favourite Folksong |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Stringsinger Date: 08 May 19 - 12:10 PM I'll vote for My Lagan Love or The Lark in the Clear Air. Also She Moved Through the Fair. (I dig mixolydian.) O'Carolan is high on my list too. Can there be a favorite song elected by the Irish people? I would tend to doubt it. There are so many beautiful Irish songs that it would be like trying to pick out the most beautiful looking person in the world. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,guest of 09.05 today Date: 08 May 19 - 12:18 PM I think the whole thing is crazy but still curious- when is the final result known- earlier posts are not clear at all... |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 08 May 19 - 01:47 PM From the website: 'Voting closes at 6pm on 27th May. The folk song selected by you as Ireland’s Favourite Folk Song will be announced live on The Late Late Show on RTÉ One Television on 31st May. Between now and then: happy listening!' |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST Date: 14 May 19 - 12:08 PM Ryan Tubridy is going to announce "Ireland's Favourite Folk Song" ??!! Things just got dramatically worse. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:54 AM So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the choice was "The Parting Glass": The "short list" before the final vote, is a very nice selection of songs:
It's fun to have a vote like this, but I suppose it's hard on those who can only think in absolutes. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:59 AM Raglan Road You're right. I read it wrong. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Tattie Bogle Date: 19 Jun 19 - 02:24 PM Just back from a visit to N Ireland, including Derry/Londonderry, where there are some of the lyrics of "The Town I Loved So Well" on the information boards on the Walls of Derry/Londonderry, and the guide in the Presbyterian Church also quoted from them. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:33 AM ten decent songs, but folk? |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:36 AM 'ten decent songs, but folk?' Taking into consideration the common distinction (in Ireland) between 'folk' and 'traditional', yes. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,patriot Date: 22 Jun 19 - 04:59 AM So 'traditional' songs are not 'folk' and hence excluded from this competition? |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Father Fluffybottom Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:04 AM "Traditional" songs are "folk" songs. Not all "folk" songs are "traditional". |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 22 Jun 19 - 09:37 AM In the sense that very few people in Ireland would have referred to Josie Sheáin Jeaic MacDonncha as a 'folksinger' or to Ronnie Drew or Andy Irvine as 'traditional' ones. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,patriot Date: 22 Jun 19 - 03:40 PM I think in the early days we WOULD have described such as Joe Heaney & Paddy Tunney as folksingers, just like Tom Paxton or Alex Campbell, or Christy Moore for that matter- We've all got much more sophisticated now but under the old naivety?? we had, we didn't make daft distinctions- it just didn't matter, a far healthier attitude I'd say |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Jun 19 - 04:51 PM It seems stupid to argue about this. People voted for their favorites - and quite likely, their favorites are not going to be performances from fifty or more years ago. If you have a different favorite, that's good - do your best to promote your own choice instead of denigrating the choices of others. Promoting Joe Heaney & Paddy Tunney is a great idea, and a poll such as this gives that an opportunity. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST Date: 23 Jun 19 - 04:33 AM "I think in the early days we WOULD have described such as Joe Heaney & Paddy Tunney as folksingers, just like Tom Paxton or Alex Campbell, or Christy Moore for that matter". You might have, but not in Ireland. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 23 Jun 19 - 06:00 AM RTE was quite specifically looking for 'Ireland's favourite folksong' and I think given that context it's sound to apply the usual distinction, as it is common in Ireland, between 'folk' and 'traditional' song/singers. For every day use I think it's safe to assume we all think more in more general terms of 'songs' and singers' without necessarily applying the genre bracket. But there seems to be a noticeable re-emergence of the F-word here in the past year or so, or am I the only one in thinking that? |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Date: 23 Jun 19 - 09:27 AM I heard John Bownan's excellent archive programme this morning which included an item about 'Raglan Road' featuring Luke Kelly and PJ Kavanagh singing his own poem/song. Interestingly, Bowman referred to the song as having won the competition for Ireland's Favourite Song. NO MENTION of the F word- was he wrong or just avoiding any controversy ? |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:41 AM Any song about being American, preferably sung by Daniel O'Donnell or any Irish singer into country and western. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST Date: 23 Jun 19 - 12:04 PM God help us... |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: gillymor Date: 23 Jun 19 - 12:26 PM If I had a vote it would be for Siúil A Rún Arthur McBride (aka Arthur McBride and the Recruiting Sargeant) Black Waterside A Pair of Brown Eyes Thousands Are Sailing (the Pogues composition, not the traditional one) ahead of anything on the RTE list, which does contain some very fine songs. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: GUEST Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:39 PM Thousands are sailing, I'll give you. Phil Chevron was that rare thing, an Irish pogue and the song is about Irish people, albeit used in The USA. A pair of brown eyes was written by Shane McGowan, an English lad writing a song about London. |
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song From: gillymor Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:13 PM I can't say I know what MacGowan was thinking when he wrote "A Pair of Brown Eyes" but I'm pretty sure that the main subject matter was not London, though it may have been the setting. |
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