BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)

Subject: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 19 - 05:30 AM

So, she has thrown the towel in.

What happens next?

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: DMcG
Date: 24 May 19 - 05:41 AM

I am interested to see how Grayling fairs..

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: DMcG
Date: 24 May 19 - 05:44 AM

I should say the only prospective leader declared or discussed so far who shows any signs of thoughtfulness and awareness to me is Rory Stewart. So naturally he doesn't stand much of a chance.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 19 - 05:52 AM

Hopefully Johnson and Gove will stab each other in the backs. Not sure who is the best of the rest of the bad bunch.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 May 19 - 07:19 AM

Let's just hope that it doesn't lead to fisticuffs:


Cast not a clout 'til May be out

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 19 - 08:51 AM

Theresa May is gone - and Britain is now at the mercy of a small band of barmy Tory members

When did the country in general loose it's marbles?

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 May 19 - 08:52 AM

The eton bully boys will start playing with themselves, and corbyn will plot his wankership!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: DMcG
Date: 24 May 19 - 09:06 AM

Fron the BBC website:

 [Daniel Kawczynski] added that despite Mr Johnson's sometimes blustering image, he is "now becoming a statesman... he's maturing".

Boris Johnson is 54. A little late to be maturing, don't you think?

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 19 - 09:08 AM

Thw tories would be best served by keeping a weather eye on the Brexit party. I suspect we are entering General Election territory.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 May 19 - 09:15 AM

Regarding any possible GE, and repeating what I posted about the EU elections - what I find ludicrous is that, pre-Referendum, simple-minded people believed everything Farage told them, and voted for what he stood for - when, in fact, he hadn’t a clue how to bring Brexit about, no plan whatsoever. So he and his cronies did their ‘Run For The Hills’ routine and left the rest of us with Mayhem.

Now here he is again, still no clue, no plan, nothing - and the bumpkins are queueing up to vote his way again!

What was it Einstein said about insanity?

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 May 19 - 09:18 AM

I feel bad for her. She voted Remain and got stuck with this mess when her predecessor quit, and I think she struggled valiantly. Yes, she failed, but not through lack of effort. None of the news coverage I've seen remembers that.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 19 - 09:20 AM

Ironic that the US President Donald Trump arrives in the UK just in time to wave her goodbye. Her dodgy Russian dossier has arrived back in Spades. I am sure the President will be laughing his head off at her.
Paybacks a bitch!

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 May 19 - 11:19 AM

No Mrrzy, she didn’t ‘get stuck with it’, she put herself forward for it - clearly visualising herself as some kind of Thatcher #2. Nobody is forced to become PM, they volunteer to be part of an election process. She volunteered, she was elected, and she’s been found very badly lacking.

Don’t waste your sympathy.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Jos
Date: 24 May 19 - 12:33 PM

Maybe Trump will offer to step into the vacant position.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 19 - 02:02 PM

If he did the prevarication would cease toute suite! However he would need to be a naturalised citizen of the UK and also an MP. These requirements would preclude him from participating.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Jos
Date: 24 May 19 - 02:35 PM

They wouldn't stop him offering though.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 19 - 02:48 PM

He did the next best thing and said May's resignation/dismissal was for the good of the country. We both agree on that point.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 24 May 19 - 02:54 PM

I hope Boris gets the leadership, it will totally fuck the Tory party for a long time.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: DMcG
Date: 24 May 19 - 04:31 PM

Since Boris can be relied on to act in his self interest I suspect we would end up with some kind of deal. Raab, for example, is enough of a zealot I don't think he would really seek one.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 May 19 - 04:40 PM

If Johnson takes over it needs to be a illegal under international law to victimise UK nationals, no matter how damaging or offensive his behaviour is.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 May 19 - 06:02 PM

I wouldn't worry too much about Boris getting the job. Whatever he does with brexit, allowing of course for the inconvenient fact that he has the House of Commons to deal with, he'll be toast as he will not be able to heal divisions either in his party or in the country. To add to that, he'll get no concessions from the EU. It's amusing to see so many minor Tories jostling for the top job, all of them clearly too thick to see that it would be the poison chalice of all poison chalices.

And again, cheers to our hard-working mods. Our thread can keep going, loveless though it must seem to our US friends.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 May 19 - 06:03 PM

Gosh, I meant the brexit thread, but the sentiment holds.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Neil D
Date: 24 May 19 - 09:13 PM

If you end up with BJ at last you'll know our (Americans) pain of the last 2 years. I mean The Donald and The Boris could be brothers. To paraphrase an old TV theme song:
They squawk alike, they walk alike,
At times they even talk alike --

You can lose your mind,

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 19 - 03:14 AM

And again, cheers to our hard-working mods. Our thread can keep going, loveless though it must seem to our US friends.

But you cannot have the contents of the ballot boxes deleted !


Sunday night should provide fine entertainment.
You may attempt to control the narrative on an obscure folky forum but the real world carries on regardless.

Do you gave a tray of lemons to suck on?

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 May 19 - 04:18 AM

"I hope Boris gets the leadership, it will totally fuck the Tory party for a long time."
Unfortunately it will probably do irreparable damage to Britain as well - a racist PM at a time when racism has been used as the reason or leaving Europe - doesn't really bear thinking about
That really would set Powell's "Rivers of Blood" flowing down the streets of Britain
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 May 19 - 05:55 AM

A dignified resignation speech from a dignified Prime Minister who deserves praise for always putting this country first.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 19 - 06:01 AM

Coco The Clown would have done a better job. Note that not one of the talking heads that have burbled on about her bravery, etc, has mentioned a single useful achievement of hers.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 May 19 - 06:04 AM

From Gavin Barwell - "As the PM's Chief of Staff for the last two years, I have seen at first hand her commitment to public service and her incredible resilience as she has confronted the biggest challenge any British Government has faced since the Second World War. It has been an honour to serve her."

The only labour MP who may have the same commitment as PM is Hilary Benn.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 19 - 06:06 AM

Yep. She "confronted the challenge" and utterly failed.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 19 - 06:28 AM

...And the ballot to choose our next prime minister will be restricted to just over 100,000 people who are mostly elderly, nearly all white, immune from the deleterious effects of brexit and much wealthier than the national average. I should like to know from those among us who accused the six million who signed to oppose brexit and the doubtless millions more who think the same way of being "undemocratic" think that the next PM will have "a democratic mandate." I know what I think...

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 May 19 - 06:35 AM

I think it is that British support for the underdog coming through, Steve. Pity she was not really the underdog though.

I'm put in mind of a fine song by Stanley Accrington from back in the late 80's

It's Eddie the Eagle, he's out on the slope
It's Eddie the Eagle, he looks like a dope
He may not fly far and he may not fly fast
But we're proud that he's British and he always comes last

Maybe it could be re-written?

It's May the prime minister, she's pushing a bill
It's May the prime minister, it makes us all ill
She may not get out and she may not remain
But we're proud to be British and going down the drain

Not bad for 5 minutes :-)

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 May 19 - 07:00 AM

"Coco The Clown would have done a better job"
Not sure anybody could have done a better job in this mess Steve
I have no respect for anything she stands for but she has more balls than anybody in the Tory Party - especially the men
As the saying goes, "In the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man (or woman) is king"
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 May 19 - 08:34 AM

Absolutely Jim, how right you are!!

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 May 19 - 09:45 AM

It will be interesting to see how May's replacement attempts to sort out this dog's breakfast
It's already been suggested that Johnson will backtrack on Brexit - he's not exactly renowned for his principles
Lord Snooty has shown how supportive he is to Britain by investing his money elsewhere - like a rope to a hanging man
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 May 19 - 09:47 AM

I suspect she was, and still is, the sacrificial lamb. If we don't leave the EU it will be her fault. If we do and the economy goes down the pan, it will be her fault. Unless it's Jeremy Corbyn's of course!

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 19 - 09:51 AM

I don't agree. She made the wrong turn at almost point in office. She failed to consult, tried to sidestep parliamentary democracy in her arrogance and oversaw worsening conditions in schools and in a crumbling health service, did nothing to soften the harsh benefits system, failed to address the mental health issue...and let's not mention the hostile environment, and Windrush...

She deserves no sympathy. Good riddance.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 19 - 09:51 AM

With Jim, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 19 - 11:24 AM

Almost EVERY point. Grr.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 May 19 - 11:49 AM

It's strange days when the tories are so inept and fanatically bonkers
they are even making Farage look like a dignified statesman...

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 May 19 - 12:00 PM

Oh fuck, pfr...not you too! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 May 19 - 12:21 PM

Down here we've got Carl Benjamin aka Sargon of Akkad to contend with...

We'll know soon if the vile arsehole got voted in...

At least 'devil you know' Farage's comeback party is further confusing and splitting the bonehead brexit vote...

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 May 19 - 12:53 PM

I think Steve Shaw has completely failed to take the horns by the bull, lefty piffle.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 May 19 - 01:25 PM

We can look forward to the next PM either being a useless imbecile or a nasty piece of work.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 May 19 - 01:56 PM

"With Jim, that is."
Sorry Steve - I don't think anything about Brexit or Europe is straightforward - love to share a pint with you over it.
May could have caved into the neanderthals and just accepted crashing out, which would have been as big a disaster for us over here you could imagine
At least she attempted to get some sort of a compromise
Nobody could have manipulated a totally split Parliament
She is as big as shit as any of the Tories (if she hadn't been, she'd have fought for a second referendum), but given that, she fought what was little more than a single handed battle, she at least didn't take the easy way out to keep her job
As I said - complicated (as is supporting an organisation of European Capitalist states)   
If you'd have told me at the time the E.U. were attempting to manipulate the Greek Political system, that's I'd be supporting them I'd have probably poured my pint over your head
Complicated is hardly the word for this ***** mess
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 May 19 - 02:18 PM

It's not complicated it's dead easy..

If you are anti brexit and support the BBC licence you are a traitor and deserve to be rounded up and dealt with...

ok.. Thursday I had a pint in the local cider pub for the first time in months,
and sat there listening before I went on to meet the mrs to go voting.....

Be warned, the brexiteer pub pissheads now know trendy buzzwords like "narrative"...

It's filtering down, the alt right propaganda writers are having their desired effect..

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 19 - 06:03 PM

"...the country I love, boo bloody hoo..."

Yeah, the country that made me rich, the country that can go to hell on a handcart as long as me and my Tory lackeys have their wealth protected. I love this country but not enough to police the streets to protect young people from knife crime and county lines, not enough to protect the most vulnerable from intolerable and fascistic benefits rules, not enough to stop our schools (state ones, of course, not private: heaven forfend!) from crumbling away, not enough to provide the most basic prompt healthcare for the poorest, not enough to protect vulnerable workers from sharks who provide zero-hours contracts and exploitative jobs without security, not enough to get to grips with a burgeoning mental ill-health crisis, not enough to be bothered to address the questions of homelessness and reliance on food banks. Not enough to make immigrants and refugees feel welcome in the fifth richest economy in the world. Not enough to accept, here in my Westminster bubble, that brexit would pitch this country into hell. Oh yes, It's the country I love. Boo hoo.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 May 19 - 06:27 PM

Now perhaps she'll know the heartache of unrequited love...???

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 May 19 - 02:54 AM

Amen Steve...A-fuckin'-men!

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 May 19 - 05:11 AM

Gove looks for treasure trove in Hove!!!

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Jos
Date: 26 May 19 - 05:28 AM

I can't see many the voters of Hove doing much for someone in favour of leaving the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 19 - 09:06 AM

As predicted in his first speeches Raab is saying he is leaving with no extension in October and defying Parliament to try to stop him. As I say, full zealot mode.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 May 19 - 10:13 AM

so it is possible to look an even bigger tw@t then boris or gove...

downright disurbingly creepy...

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 May 19 - 10:25 AM

He looks like something kept locked in a secret hidden room at Hogwarts...

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 May 19 - 10:32 AM

No matter what he looks like he's quite likely the potentially least harmful of all the candidates.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 May 19 - 10:34 AM

If Raab pulls UK out of EU without a deal, we must take whatever action is necessary to force the EU to protect our rights.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 19 - 11:58 AM

Brad Pitt stars as Rory Stewart?

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 May 19 - 12:24 PM

We call Raab 'Voldemort' In our house.

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: robomatic
Date: 26 May 19 - 01:41 PM

BBC "The Why Factor" just put out there podcast on the phenomenon of "confidence" and "Confidence 'men'"

It's worth a listen.

Meanwhile in the States we are being prepped for the release of "Rocketman". Ever heard Elton John being covered by rappers? (Yes, of course but I mean the word without a 'w' in front!)

Subject: RE: BS: May ends on 7th June! (UK Politics)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 May 19 - 12:09 PM

The word without a "w" at the front? Wouldn't that be "ord"?

Just asking...