BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 06:07 AM

Hi guys, just for reference, is there a policy on this thread just to ignore the troll mouthpiece? Pity this forum does not have a block/ignore feature by which its posts won't show up under our log ins. Maybe something for the tech experts to look at?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 06:00 AM

THE JUNTA'S RESPECT FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE WRIT LARGE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 05:13 AM

Al, a polite request - when you’re addressing an individual whose last post was several days previously, would you mind indicating in your post which individual you’re addressing please? It’s very confusing when you simply address your target as ‘You’. ‘You’ and ‘Your’ could refer to anyone.

Thanks in advance.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 05:13 AM

The simple fact is that you said, on 15 May 15 at 05:18 AM,

People in my home county Lincolnshire are very. upset at the influx of Eastern Europeans, and the lawlessness they have bought to towns like Boston.

There is no way to interpret that as anything other than Eastern Europeans have brought lawlessness to these towns. No ifs or buts. By repeating that lie you are perpetuating the myth that East Europeans are causing more crime than the indigenous population. The only word for that is racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 05:08 AM

It seems to me that appealing against a judgement making the closure of Parliament illegal at a time when all of us, at home or away, needs to heal the devastation caused by Brexit is satotal betrayal of everything Parliamentary Democracy claims to stand for
No matter what Loord Haw-Haw drags up, Yellowhammer (what we have been allowed to see of it) has exposed a nightmare situation of cuts, shortages and civil disorder
The twats who closed Perlient and his those facts for so long, are not going to do anything about it even if they wanted to, which is doubtful and they have locked those who might be able to out so they can't do what they were elected too do
This is now an act of treason and should be punished as such
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 04:55 AM

I live next door to Eastern Europeans, they are a decent well behaved family. They are my friends.

My old school friend's store got robbed continually by eastern european gangs. the police were totally overwhelmed by the situation, in atown where my Dad was a cop when I was a kid, and could keep the streets safe. The situation had deteriorated.

Those are simply the facts I reported and in your opinion gave you the right to call me a racist.

I didn't call you anything - despite the provocation.

Subject: BS: revoking article 50
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 04:49 AM

if johnson revokes article 50 and then calls an election, if he wins the election with a majority, he could, then trigger article 50 again , then he can possibly leave the next day?, because the extension does not have a minimium limit. he would not have to say for two years because the 2 years is apparently a maximum time.
i mention this because this is just the machiavellian type of trick johnson might try to pull

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 04:39 AM

One wonders whether the medical shortages predicted by Yellowhammer will include those for the treatment of the latest epidemic sweeping Britain - Brhysteria

I do like to see a bit of balance

https://www.pgeu.eu/medicine-shortages/
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/post-authorisation/availability-medicines
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/post-authorisation/availability-medicines/shortages-catalogue

This has of course been pointed out previously but remainiacs do like to exhibit selective amnesia if it enables a boost to project fear.

I suspect they read a Gruniard article on the problem where EU was misspelt as UK

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 05:56 AM

One wonders whether the medical shortages predicted by Yellowhammer will include those for the treatment of the latest epidemic sweeping Britain - Brhysteria

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 03:51 AM

Hilarious to see the quiet valiant Brexiteer MAJORITY labelled as extremists by Carroll.

Mr Goebbels has done a real number on you!
"Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty" This should seem very familiar to you. It is the only tactic you have.
But the majority can see straight through it and recognize it for the lie that it is.




While the remainer rats fight, as in a sack, the great believer continues to scheme. 'Who Dares Wins' they say. We shall see!

https://reaction.life/what-if-dominic-cummings-is-right/

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 10:53 PM

Good points Steve, the other point about Democracy[ WHEN IT WORKS WELL] is that it should be able to take in to account changing situations
Democracy must be built through open societies that share information. When there is information, there is enlightenment. When there is debate, there are solutions. When there is no sharing of power, no rule of law, no accountability, there is abuse, corruption, subjugation and indignation. Atifete Jahjaga

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 07:40 PM

There's a good discussion about the need for a supermajority (high bar) for important and irrevocable policy changes put to referendums on the website politics.stackexchange.com entitled "Why was the Brexit referendum conducted as a simple majority vote?" No ranting, no raving, no yah-boo-suck you lost, just rational discussion on a tightly-moderated board (and not everyone there agrees with me either). This may not be blue but it's still a sort of link.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 07:10 PM

Not even a real majority, Dick, just 38% of the electorate in fact. We are allowing just over a third of the electorate, and a quarter of the population, to drag us out of the EU. Long before the referendum vote I was arguing that the bar for leave was set way too low. My view was that two-thirds of a minimum turnout of 75% would have been appropriate. It wasn't like a general election, which we can reverse after a few years. It was, in effect, an irrevocable decision to end a 47-year status quo. Allowing a simple majority to do that was totally inappropriate. The referendum was fatally skewed in favour of leave. Add to that, as you imply, that the campaign was mostly heat without light which made it difficult for everyone to avoid being uninformed and misinformed, and we end up with democracy trashed.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 05:58 PM

Re Brexit & Westminster, you born-&-breds could lower your pride & let The Repatriate takeover: born in Manchester the day we won the FIFA World Cup, I was very highly trained in Australia; & if ever a nation needed a benevolent dictator for a few years... http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:41 PM

Avery small majority voted to leave, however none of those people have been asked whether they want to leave with or without a deal that is undemocratic

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:34 PM

The only reason shaw does not respond is because his only counter arguments are based on drivelling dogma regurgitated from the Guardian.
No logic, no facts, no links, no sense!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 03:41 PM

Totally missing the point, Al. You are repeating the lie that east Europeans are more lawless than "us decent British". The facts do not bear that out. Just like the facts do not bear out your nonsense about the EU causing the demise of the car industry. Your comments do bear out Jim's contention that brexit and racism are inexorably linked though.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 03:00 PM

In my opinion, if he's there, why not use him occasionally as a prime example of the extremists who support Brexit
He's like offensive graffitti - if you cant remove it, piss against it so people notice how bad it smells
Doesn't help to make a n issue of it
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 02:37 PM

Why not try my technique, Jim? I see his "name" (who knows...) at the top of a post and I DON'T READ THE POST. Been doing that now for two or three weeks. In my head, he's simply not here. It's liberating, like a breath of fresh air, I promise. Go on, give it a whirl!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 01:41 PM

There are still those posting here whose stance defies all logic and maintain the losers won. Is there no limit to their delusions.

brexiteers who are convinced that there is a majority for a no-deal brexit would be the loudest advocates for a new referendum
Why would that be?
WE had a referendum, we decided to leave, we wait for the government to obey the instructions of the majority of the electorate.
This is not a TV program, there are no action replays because you, in your arrogance, think voters got it wrong the first time around.

Your perpetual bleating is getting very tedious. You lost. Get over it.

Will we cross into the promised land in November, or will the rebellious remainiac knaves continue to frustrate the will of the majority? Have Cummings and Baldeick hatched a cunning plan?

Cromwell had the right idea. One step beyond proroguing

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 01:14 PM

I'm sorry you don't agree with that, but I was merely stating fact. People are upset about that very subject - to such an extent that comment on the subject has been banned on the Boston facebook page. Check it out if you think I'm bullshitting you.

A fact, despite its unpalatable nature, remains a fact.

Would you prefer it if I'd said people were deleriosly fucking happy because of the increase in lawlessness and its been a marvellous cross cultural experience for those getting robbed?

Okay, I'll say that.

Boris is a cult - surely a missprint!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 01:11 PM

"How many times, Jim... :-( "
As many times it takes to put an end to this abusive and threatenign vomit Steve :-(
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: peteglasgow
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 12:54 PM

brexiteers who are convinced that there is a majority for a no-deal brexit would be the loudest advocates for a new referendum. if they were confident, they would. but as they aren't they try to deflect attention from the weakness of the argument and lack of a coherent plan by bashing away at the keyboard insulting or attacking MPs with principles and a bit of intelligence, while aggressively shouting down or attacking more thoughtful people at street/pub level. in my experience. i used to feel comfortable in my local pub. where, incidentally, a common narrative to the question of the day is to blame the irish (and jeremy corbyn and tony bliar for talking to them back in the day) for'stopping us getting our brexit'

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 12:51 PM

How many times, Jim... :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 12:41 PM

"so why continue to babble?"
Basically to draw out the frustrated and increasing violence your postings are beginning to display in order to show the true face of the undemocratic nature of this Government and of Brexit itself
If you can't conduct yourself without insulting and abusing those who disagree with you I suggest you remove yourself until you can
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 12:01 PM

"Contempt for Democracy" Yes you have, have you not?
In a democracy the majority vote wins. The majority voted very clearly to leave the EU. A FACT! What part of that simple statement can you not understand or accept. Your posturing is simply ridiculous. As you no longer have a vote in the UK I fail to understand why you continue to inflict your corrosive opinions on us. You cannot influence outcomes anymore so why continue to babble?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 11:49 AM

Incidentally
There iare signs of a marked increase in sectarian violence taking place in the Six Counties as a result of the controversy over Brexit at present - the main cause being the threat of a hard border.
This is echoed on the Mainland with a riot instigated by sectarian Loyalists in Glasgow a few weeks ago - if these bastards don't get their fingers out, 'Happy Days really will be Here Again'
Meanwhile, back at the Downing Street ranch, the DUP with its history of Sectarianism and its links with Paramilitarism, heve been invited to take part in 'intense and extensive discussion' on leaving Europe
Did someone mention "Contempt for Democracy" - I could have sworn they did ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 11:17 AM

What strikes me over and over again is the comparison between to two warring factions - the dignity and adherence to common sense and democracy of those opposing this travesty of a Government, and the lying, distorting bullying thuggery of the Johnsonites who pretend to acting on the will of the same people they have previously referred to as "The Enemy Within" for refusing to do as they are told
I can remember one of their supporters here describing attempts to rehouse survivors of a horrendous London fire in unused private property as "theft", indicating that he would rather see them sleeping rough than infringe sacred property rights.
That's how deep these people's respect for the opinions of the people are when they can't be used for profiteering
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: peteglasgow
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 10:01 AM

seems clear to me that a majority of mps are doing their best to deliver a brexit that will not be too damaging for the UK. by doggedly insisting on going for a no-deal the ERG etc are making any brexit less likely. if we have to go back to the referendum it's obvious that the country is evenly split. we cannot ignore majority opinion for a deal that will not harm the country. those of us who are remainers could probably go along with that as long as workers rights/freedom of movement/ environmental protection are protected (personally i'm not too bothered about trade deals i want my children to be able to continue working in italy and estonia - or to return here- a return to some closed border nonsense is a huge loss of our rights, goodwill with our neighbours and a more peaceful world)

it's horrible what is happening to our country - there is no place for loud insults and threats and accusations. i may be able to continue in my job in a cumbria town if i keep my mouth shut - otherwise i am a 'traitor' and 'will end up in hospital with views like that'

sorry - strayed off my main point which was that there will never be a majority in this country for a no-deal brexit. it may suit the very wealthy and trump and putin obviously, but no-ne wants to support the risk to their livelihood, security, human rights - or continual argument. our mps are trying their best to support a more positive outcome (at last) good luck to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:01 AM

how can Johnson talk about democracy when he does undemocratic actions

What can possibly be undemocratic in attempting to deliver the majority decision of the people's referendum?

THe remainers hijack parliament, ram through legislation with zero accountability, all to frustrate the majority. How do you manage to explain that away as being democratic?

Needless to say you will not answer because there is no possible cogent justification or explanation that you can offer.
You are a noisy, belligerent, insulting minority that shows nothing but contempt for democracy!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 03:53 AM

"I believe Boris is a cult. At least that's how I think you spell it..."
Seriously Dave - I'm afraid he is not
Johnson is now a part of the 'populist' mob who hold the key to success being used by politicians to overstep democracy (of sorts) by directly appealing to genuine fears and built in prejudices of the electorate
It hasn't been too successful since it was used to seize power in pre-war Germany, but the Brexit referendum reintroduced it into 'Free-World' politics bigtime - Trump came close on its heels and neo-fascist groups are using it all over Europe now to gain power and a degree of popular acceptance
We had a classic example of it here in Ireland when, in the Presidential election, a totally unknown (and very disgusting) Peter Casey deliberately targeted Travellers and leapt from nowhere to second place effortlessly

It would be a fatal mistake to put Johnson down as merely the talentless buffoon he obviously is - he is far more (less) than that - any moron ruthless enough to appeal to the people with a mob-message now has a major route to power

The really worrying aspect of all this is that when Powell made his 'Rivers of Blood' speech he was so much of an embarrassment to British politics that he was dropped like a lump of warm shit - now, the same message has given us Brexit
Johnson has been absorbed into the British political system and, in a matter of weeks has all but destroyed that system completely, and democracy along with it
Laughing and deriding Johnson is missing the point - that's what the bastard wants - he's a ****** showman

I'm afraid I feel the same about describing the electorate as stupid and gullible - they are most certainly not
They are people trying to survive in a rapidly deteriorating political situation, a major effect of which is a massively widening gap between haves and have nots
The facts of what is really happening, and why, is being deliberately withheld by the establishment and the lap-dog press
The referendum was typical of the dishonesty and distortion of what we are given in order for them to make decisions
We vote on what information we have at hand - if that information is incomplete or agenda-ised the decisions we make reflect that adversely
The people didn't vote for losing industries or threatened shortages or loss of jobs, or at least 20 years uncertainty for us and our children, but that's what we got
Please stop blaming that on the stupidity of the voters - that only plays into the bastard's hands
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 02:00 AM

it seems to be getting more unpredictable by the day, how can Johnson talk about democracy when he does undemocratic actions.I believe any other government other than the presenT conservatives or Farage, would get a better deal from Europe right now, I resent the fact that the UK has become the laughing stock of the world.I also think that some of the people whovoted leave would never have done so if they knew that this mess was going to happen

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 06:29 PM

I believe Boris is a cult. At least that's how I think you spell it...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 03:25 PM

It's whether the people of the nation, y'know, all those knowledgeable leave voters, give a flying fart about any of this. They see big bluff Boris, shirt untidily tucked into his pants over his fat belly, and they see a hale fellow well met. A no-nonsense-sod the details-blokish bloke who hates Muslims, piccaninnies and women. Right up their alley, that lot. Then there's Jezza, ridiculed by four-fifths of the media and every public Tory and brainless, opportunistic Tory-lite LibDem who ever drew breath. Boris could stick out his fat arse and shit before the cameras and the thickie section of the public (the majority apparently) would love him for it. It worked for Trump. It'll work with this charlatan, unless we can come up with what the left are rubbish at, a cunning plan...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 03:13 PM

This is plenty of Brexit threads - any more will be combined or closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 02:55 PM

Heh heh, just when you thought Johnson's term in office couldn't possibly get any worse ............. it has done.

"MPs have backed the Grieve motion requiring the release of some no-deal planning documents, and private messages from No 10 officials about prorogation, by 311 votes to 302 – a majority of nine."

I am slightly disappointed that only "some" of the documents will be released, although I reluctantly accept the reasoning behind this.

Sacrificial lamb come to mind for some reason!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 02:47 PM

Ducking and diving with your "must-bes again Al
Facts are facts and government predictions are what they are
Brexit is a fuck up incomaprable to anything that has happened soince the war
Shame on you
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 02:02 PM

I live in Lincolnshire. A family of Turkish Muslims live across the road from me, and a polish family live two doors away. They work and presumably pay their taxes, their kids go to school, they keep their houses and gardens clean and tidy, they are friendly and sociable, they are good, law-abiding people getting on with making lives for themselves.

Over the past 14 years, I’ve had numerous hospital stays - probably amounting to a total of nine months - and I’d estimate that 60% of the NHS staff have been ‘foreigners’, and 60% of those were Eastern European. When someone is keeping you clean, comfortable and, in my case on several occasions, alive, you really don’t give a flying fuck where they were born.

I’m not ‘upset’ at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 01:47 PM

Wrong again, Al. I was referring to this

Subject: RE: BS: The Return!....of....New Labour!!!
From: Big Al Whittle - PM
Date: 15 May 15 - 05:18 AM

People in my home county Lincolnshire are very. upset at the influx of Eastern Europeans, and the lawlessness they have bought to towns like Boston.

As I said. You are wrong about East Europeans being lawless and you are wrong about the EU being the cause of all our ills. Excuse me if I take the rest of your specious arguments with a pinch of salt.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 01:36 PM

There must have always been a number ofof people who didn't want to join the EU or stay in it, Jim. The simple fact that UKIP gained enough ground to twist Cameron's arm is enough proof of that. Because people were not demonstrating on the streets or causing civil unrest is no proof that they did not exist. It may have been a coordinated effort by those who wanted out and their press lackeys but enough leavers existed to provide them with fertile ground to sow their seeds of dissent.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 01:28 PM

What predictions are those Al?
I suppose if you don't listen you won't hear.

I predicted that the antics of the Remainers will result in the the most right wing government this country has ever seen.

Most of it is to do the unmannerly way you have conducted yourselves and and refusal to engage with the reality of the fact that there is no way we will ever make the EU or EEC work for us.

Whatever list you produce Jim - it will be a smaller list than the industries that the period of the EEC/EU has done for. Not small firms - firms which were the basis of economic life for thousands of communities and millions of people.

Sneer away. Smear away like Dave indenial because my friend had a shop that Eastern Ruropean gangs robbed - calls me a racist. Drags it up now, after how many years.

like I say - no point in discussing with people who have no answers for the unanswerable. Just smears and sneers.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 01:16 PM

"You ignored my point Jim."#
And you ignore miine - if they continued to hold that view they would have shown their displeasure before now - either at the polls or on the streets
Has this happened - not to my recollection
Only a minority of the British people voted to leave a papeer thin majority of those who voted
Surely, if those who were unhappy amounted to a serious number it would have shown up in the referendum
The referendum was sold on stopping immigration, not economic advantage and a better standard of life for the people - that's mob-rule populism which touches the fringes of hate-incitement illegality, not democracy
As I said, you're ducking and diving the fact that Brexit has failed the country miserably and will be even worse if things proceed as they are
So farr it's brought down two Prime Ministers and closed down the democratic voice of Britain - Parliament
Britain stands on the threshold of ending up with an unelected dictatorship because it now has a Prime Minister who has shown himself to be willing to break the law
Don't know about you but it scares the shit out of me
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 12:29 PM

You ignored my point Jim. I said there has long been a sizeable and variable number of people here in the UK who did not want to join the EU or remain in the EU. I have no doubt that has been the case in the north as well. Labour was split on joining and during the referendum of 1975.

As I said earlier in one of these Brexit threads, I voted to remain in the EU. I don't think there will be any substantial benefit by us leaving. In the short term I think there will definitely be disadvantages to us leaving. If we do leave I doubt that I will live long enough to see if gain benefit from leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 12:17 PM

"I don't know what part of the country you were living in Jim, but in the past 40 years I heard quite a few making their displeasure know."
The North of England which is now experiencing some of the worst effects of leaving Europe
My nephew, who works fro Westland, is wondering if he is going to have to learn how to stack shelves in Sainsbury's because of his chances of not being able to travel to Europe with his job, I should imagine
Want a list of all the North of England firms threatened with having to move their business elsewhere
Try responding to what is happening if you don't believe what the govenment have predicted will happen RD
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 12:02 PM

Well, maybe... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:41 AM

Not even you, Steve? :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:36 AM

I don't see what it has to do with "like." It's a unfortunate aspect of this world that underdogs either stay underdogs or go under completely. Sadly, that usually means smaller or less wealthy or less developed nations, or all three of those. The EU is a relatively benign institution which operates mostly with a light touch, with occasional very unfortunate exceptions (before someone chucks Greece at me), but always insisting on the rule of law, on democratic government and on human rights. Smaller and weaker nations are assisted and bigger and stronger nations help. That has done a huge amount to preserve peace and stability. It suffers from the disease of gigantism, as do China, India, the US and as did the old Soviet Union. Institutions seem remote and are vulnerable to attacks from naysayers who claim incorrect and negative things, such as that the EU is undemocratic or is run by faceless bureaucrats. Those things are no more true of the EU than they are of any of those other giants and also of ruthless giant multinationals. You don't have to "like" the EU in order to acknowledge these things. Just two little words: nothing's perfect.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:13 AM

Jim Carroll posted "Hey have had over forty years to protest or make their displeasure known in some way or other - not a murmer until someone promised to get rigd of the foreigners Rain Dog"

I don't know what part of the country you were living in Jim, but in the past 40 years I heard quite a few making their displeasure know. A fair amount of it in the media as well. There has ALWAYS been people who did not like being in the EU. I don't think that any of you can deny that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 10:51 AM

"For whatever reason some people have never liked the idea of being in the EU and they never will."
Hey have had over forty years to protest or make their displeasure known in some way or other - not a murmer until someone promised to get rigd of the foreigners Rain Dog
Shows exactly how opposed they were, I would have thought
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 10:05 AM

What predictions are those Al? Those that every economic, comercial and political agency are making that there will be a lot of hardship or those of yours that when we leave the EU we will go back to the heady days of the 1960s where the British car industry was the envy of the world?

BTW - Playing the passive/aggressive victem does not suit you in the slightest.