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climate crisis - how do we go from here?

Donuel 19 Oct 19 - 03:43 PM
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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 03:43 PM

Pete you remind me of the idealism I felt when I first heard the song 'Imagine'. Perhaps the song could be tweaked for global warming.
Kudos

What I say or do feels like it won't really matter. Don't you think others feel that way about something as enormous as global warming?
This may be the issue that needs to be front and center.
Global warming will take hundreds of years to slow down before reversal even begins.

If only there was some instant gratification by doing our bit to defeat our eventual killer of our great grand children. I know less about their future lives than my great grand father.

Instead of isolating one sentence in quotes and debating it, we should see a discussion as a evolutionary discovery process and not a true or false credo to live by.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 03:22 PM

I do not know the phrase "taking the piss of people". Perhaps you meant pissing on people.
When I write some posts I hear a comedy stand up routine but many people do not find a Lewis Black sarcastic style funny. That I do find it funny, is what matters to me. Just like a post of your own that matters to you.

Many people get their news from comedy tonight while a petulant president calls the NYT and the Washington Post fake news.

In these Orwellian times, up is down and right is to the left of left which does not feel right.

On the other hand I still wish you wierd and wonderful healing even in your hips.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 02:55 PM

indeed. imagine if you made some changes to your personal life to live more healthily and to be more environmentally aware. imagine if at a national level our govt made real efforts to reduce emissions and to pursue greener cleaner policies. and imagine that was replicated across large parts of the world. then, surprisingly, the climate change deniers and the people who now oppose making an effort were proved to be right. how foolish would you feel if you had got yourself, your environment and the world all healthy and green , and local communities all united in positive endeavours and all along there had been no need as the planet was fine all along. imagine how shit that would be........


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 11:44 AM

Some people think, however briefly, that their post, tweet or clicking 'like' will change the evolution of climate change. Sure it will

The thing is, Donuel, that everyone understands that these small insignificant actions will not in themselves prevent climate change. No one is pretending that they will. The cumulative effect of tiny changes by millions of people can however can be significant.

How is your taking the piss of people who are trying to do their bit in their own way help in any way, shape or form?


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 09:54 AM

As long as you know what the hell you're talking about.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 09:24 AM

Stay tuned for other deinspirational rants about: Love is a long term lie, Why empathy will never win and other foibles :^/


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 08:46 AM

Some people think, however briefly, that their post, tweet or clicking 'like' will change the evolution of climate change. Sure it will :^/

The only person you can influence is yourself. How do you go from here? Will you use your savings? Can you buy influence with 100 billion dollars?

Or do you really honestly care. Does extinction of Tigers really motivate you to your core. Do Tigers care if you live or die? Well they probably do if you are tasty.
Do you care about animals? If you hit a Squirel with your car, do you stop the car and help?

If you live for your cause thats great. All I am saying is that most people will devote 5 hours or 5 dollars and thats about it.

I bet Iains has done both but thats about it. Whatever we have done for the cause I am confident that we spend more time carping about it than ever possibly changing the world.

oops have I been too honest again? :^/


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 04:08 AM

This is an argument over the change in atmospheric CO2 from 0.03 to 0.04%. The value 0.04% is the same as that of water vapour, another greenhouse gas. Does such a change really have impact suggested?
Much of the time PROXIES are used to construct paleo data. This has its own inherent problems when it comes to extrapolation. The IPCC and MSM may claim the science is settled, I am still sceptical

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/paleotemperature

You should also ask why "Global Warming" morphed to "climate change".
Climate has always changed, the evidence is irrefutable.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 01:32 AM

The coverage of the XR demos they do show does have a marked tendency to concentrate on the ‘sensational’ incidents - people climbing of the roofs of trains, groups of individuals blocking emergency services’ access, etc. - which is understandable - sensation sells news after all, and ‘people behaving peacefully’ aren’t really ‘sensational’, are they?

But there’s a far deeper message that is affecting us all and which our national broadcaster ought to be putting across, and it’s a shameful fact that they seem, once again, to be avoiding reporting fairly on an issue our government, headed as it is by Mastro Gepetto Trump’s Pinocchio, don’t want us to hear.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 19 - 06:13 PM

BBC getting it in the neck on Feedback, rightly in my view, for giving Extinction Rebellion scant coverage. One comment was that the recent spat between two footballers' wives had received even more coverage. You can give coverage without it being assumed that you're biased in favour. I'm a big supporter of the Beeb, but that criticism is well deserved.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Oct 19 - 11:05 AM

That isn't news - that's some crackpot's opinion telling about other crackpots.

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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Oct 19 - 06:47 AM

Others appear to share my views about Greta:


https://www.newstarget.com/2019-10-16-citizens-report-greta-thunbergs-parents-to-child-services.html


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 19 - 06:25 AM

In an effort to know our own mind better I suggest googling human negative bias. Its natural and organic


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 06:23 PM

As I used to bollock Keith for misspelling names, I really must correct myself. It's Grant Shapps.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 05:59 PM

Jane Fonda was arrested on the Capitol steps today for protesting climate change.
She has planned a fire alarm friday and get arrested every friday.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 05:13 PM

Rupert Read of Extinction Rebellion was excellent on Question Time last night, measured, reasonable and articulate, in complete contrast with the dreadful and disreputable Julia Hartley-Brewer, who appears to be a climate-change denier of the I'm-proud-of-my-pig-ignorance school of non-thought, and the waffly archetypally-smug Toryboy Grant Crapps...oops, Schapps...


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 02:40 PM

i've always thought that we should have glastonbury festival monday off (Michael Eavis day) there are about 200,000 people who will be too wasted to work anyway. glastonbury has always supported good causes - CND, water aid, enjoy yourself, greenpeace etc. so it would easily become climate awareness day/week or whatever.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 01:15 PM

Corporate sponsorship that would include the most vulnerable corporations to climate change like corporate farms would be good.
What other corporations are most vulnerable?


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 12:59 PM

The competiveness and whimsy of Hallowen has probabl reached its peak. Combining Halloween with climate change along with a foundation of a death theme could be called something, but what? And how would it be competivtive?


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 12:18 PM

I think you're on to something there, Donuel. Maybe we could roll up some of those manufacturerd holidays and maximize Earth Day. At the very least it could raise awareness and educate people.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 11:01 AM

We need a national holiday that people could spend money on the cause. A holiday like Halloween converted to the threat of desth to our planet.

I heard we spend billions on Halloween. Is that true?


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 02:58 PM

Baltimore law suit against oil and gas causung known climate change goes to the Supream Court


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 11:42 AM

I don't believe you are a diabolical troll for one minute. Just that you are mistaken that small acts are laughable or sad. And thanks for the explanation. I also know the difference between opportunities and obstacles. I also know, corny as it sounds, that obstacles present opportunities to surmount them. Anything is possible.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:44 AM

this is what I blindly wrote:
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I know the difference between Opportunities and obatacles.
I thought it was helpful for all of us to know both.

Should we ignore obstacles or are they too obvious to mention?
I think they are both impoetant. If I am the enemy to the cause it is news to me.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:36 AM

I will have my doubts and you will have your opinion that I am a diabolical troll. For people on the same side, its hard to find allies these days.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:32 AM

I have no idea what your last post meant. Sorry :-(


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:30 AM

Not only will Steve deny it Donuel but I will too. Nowhere has anyone posted that reusable bags will combat climate change as a standalone measure. They are part of that mindset change that we need and to dismiss them as laughable or sad is damaging.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:28 AM

I know the difference between Opportunituld we ignore bstaclesies and obstacles.
I thought it was helpful for all of us to know both.
Should we ignore obstacles or are they too obvious to mention?


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:23 AM

Where we need to go is furthering our mindset about global warming

And how does mocking those that are starting to change their mindset, even in small ways, help? You may have transcended the mundane but many of us have not. Let us catch up and don't tell us we are laughable or sad for trying to help!


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:21 AM

Dave about bags, Steve said it. He will deny it but so what.
I have seen the vast improvement of our streams with the cut back on plastic bags. I have also seen the impact of extinctions.
Truths are painful when brutally honest. There will be more success to come but there wil be more pain.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:13 AM

It's baby steps, Don. Big things like the Paris Climate Accord have to be back on the table as soon as this administration is truncated. People doing things consciously at least shows awareness. Just like declining straws won't make a difference, at least there is a fad-like inkling of the problem as it exists.

https://storyofstuff.org/


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:12 AM

Realism is not trollery. :^\
Where we need to go is furthering our mindset about global warming and advance making our planet into a paradise that could be and not as it is today. Keep your eyes on the prize despite our darkest doubts.

The one thing I liked about ST TNG is the depiction of our positive change in our social psyche and abandonment of greed.

As aware as we have become of the problem, we have not yet begun to fight. We must know what we are fighting for and what we are fighting against gillymor


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 09:07 AM

Donuel. An individual using a multi-use bag will not combat climate change. No-one has said that they will. Whole nations stopping the use of throwaway plastic bags will not only help the climate, it will help the environment. Remember that the longest journey starts with a single step. Many have already made that commitment. Why do you chose to mock them instead of doing something positive?


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 08:58 AM

What's sad is your descenion into trollery.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 08:34 AM

Imagine a person actually thinking thay are combating global warming by using a multi use grocery bag. Its laughable if not sad.

To actually make a dent in the exponential change in climate would require government and individual spending on infrastructure that ( I estimate) is many times an individual or corporate annual income. Who do you know that would make that sacrifice? Even if successful things will get worse before it gets better in the midst of all the sacrifice.

While we are clever, Humans may value comfort over the cost of changing our ways. I doubt we will choose cost over comfort.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 11:44 AM

We all can do something. Today's load of laundry hung on the clothes line to dry is a small act, but it's a little less electricity being drawn from my house. One of these days I'd like to put solar panels on the roof, but I'm not there yet (I need to address the foundation issues before I do anything else big.)

Trolling isn't an eco-friendly act and it doesn't win friends or influence people, it simply brings the conversation back to focus on the troll, his object from the very beginning. Several perfectly acceptable posts have otherwise disappeared because they included a throw-away line with name calling or the challenging of moderation. It is possible to post entirely opposite points of view if they are on topic and presented to contribute ideas to the conversation.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 11:34 AM

I wonder at times if the human race is worth saving. When the press lauds eco vandals like Trump as heroes yet pillories someone like Greta, who is trying to save the earth, then something is seriously wrong. When people then start to believe it, my faith that humans are basically good is shattered.

Of course I will continue doing my best for my children, grandchildren and the rest of mankind's future but please excuse me if I seem to begrudge trying at times :-(


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 01:39 PM

As I said earlier, recycle should be the third option. After reduce and re-use. Recycling is good and far preferable to wasting resources but reducing consumption should be the priority and reusing items removes the need to use energy recycling.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 01:10 PM

That is called a "Gap Year." Understood on both sides of the pond.

Someone remarked about chip bags and such on a post about recycling water bottles, and there is a point - those mylar bags are a problem. The point of recycling the bottles is because at least the plastic can be reused. Another thing that became apparent, though wasn't mentioned in an essay I read today, is that most of these movements to recycle, to buy in bulk with your own containers, to not put everything in the landfill, is largely managed by and aimed at urban populations.

I lived out in the county for a few years when I was at the university, driving in 30 miles for classes. And when I had enough bags of separated glass and plastic on the porch I'd load them in the back of the pickup and drop them off at the campus recycle center. I was probably the only person on that end of the lake doing anything about recycling. They probably still don't recycle out there. They haul their own trash to the dump and everything goes in it. We really do need to look at some of these services the way the Rural Electrification program worked years ago - if you don't include everyone in the benefits of this society, those who are on the outside will lobby for it's destruction.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 12:45 PM

Yup. I have a bag bag full of bags for life and always containing a couple of super strong wine carriers (in case of unexpectedly-spotted 25%-off-six jobs). It lives in me car but there are always one or two slung over a chair in the kitchen.

Apologies for my reaction to that post. Greta Thunberg is brave and committed and I understand that her caring adults are solicitous for her wellbeing. She is breaking the law by not attending school 'tis true but, as far as I can make out, she is not actually in active conflict with the law. She is keeping up with her schoolwork and will return to school after a year out. Yes we can't all do that but, just for once, I think we can allow her to be the amazing exception that she is. Her teachers support her activism but say The Right Thing about her missing school, as they would. She doesn't alway say things the way I'd put them but in my view she's putting an awful lot of influential yet procrastinating adults to shame. The ones who troll her with ad hominems, the Piers Morgans of this world, merely diminish themselves.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 11:29 AM

You can buy canvas bags, nylon bags, ripstop (parachute) nylon that are reinforced, or a non-woven polyester-type bag just about anywhere around here these days. Grocery stores, bookstores, feed stores, clothing stores - they're branded so you pay a little bit then advertise a lot. The back seat of my car is full of them so when I head into a store I step to the back seat and pull out as many as I think I'll need.

When the groceries are in the house and the bags unpacked they are hung over the doorknob on the side door so they are carried back to the car next trip out. Repeat. And occasionally, throw them in the washer.

Meanwhile, posts that are added simply to start fights are destined to be removed, as are the responses. That applies around the site in general, to no one's surprise. Play nice.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 11:22 AM

Bought a reusable string bag in Mossers yesterday. They are being trialed in 4 stores including Skipton. For £1 they are well worth it but Sainsbugs 30p ones sound a bargain!


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 10:53 AM

No more single-use plastic bags in the help-yourself fruit and veg in Sainsbury's. You can buy a reusable mesh bag instead for 30p. More of that will do me!


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 02:54 PM

You have your canary in the coal mine and then you have your frog in the water of global warming...until it boils.

plant more trees. wildfires need to eat too.
burn the amazon. McDonalds needs more burgers
buy the new 12,000 HP Expedition. it gets an ounce per meter


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 01:12 PM

It's far from rearranging the deck chairs. It's doing something positive. Little wonder that things are not changing as quickly as they should with that attitude. We have seen the iceberg and are doing our best to avoid it. Those who deny its existence are a dwindling minority. Those who know it's there and do nothing are part of the problem.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 10:21 AM

Yes there is room for hope when all the stops are pulled and solar power is employed to maximum effect, when wasted energy in reduced and random breaks go our way. Fear is an ultimate motivator, so be very afraid.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 09:22 AM

That seems to be Trump's view - heck with the future generations, this generation wants to keep making money, so remove all of the environmental regulations.

A future with lower carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will be different for everyone. Greta has made good points about the current generation in power not doing more, too busy arguing about if climate change exists (yes, it does) instead of how to address it now. At this rate, the next dominant species will pass through the remains of human settlements with solar panels on the roofs and and the lights still on but no one home.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: JHW
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 05:35 AM

We'll all be gone when it happens. Just keep re-arrangeing the deck chairs. What Iceberg?
Bit of a surprise that industrialisation was so short lived relative to the life of the Earth. Two hundred years of trains, a hundred years of cars and it's done for. Was nice while it lasted.


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 02:49 AM

I don't think we can over emphasise the importance of changing everyone's mindset to help combat climate change. As SRS says there are many factors in play here. Maybe there are some we can do nothing about. Maybe, as Donuel says, something as yet unknown will play a part. Although I must point out that this could be bad or good! But none of this should stop us from changing what we can change for the better. Little steps are all it takes to get things rolling. Stop using plastic bags and switch off unused lights today. Get ready for bigger changes to come!


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Subject: RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Oct 19 - 02:26 PM

We had similar regularly. Ohelia 2017,then Ali,Bronough, Leslie, Adrian, Diana, Gabriel,Helena, Isias, Freya, Laura. All with winds recorded in excess of 90mph. What makes this storm potentially nasty is saturated ground and trees still in leaf(this evening). In coastal areas prevailing winds bank up water but we are also just coming off the crest of a spring tide, so storm surge coupled with high tide can cause havoc, besides extreme waves posing a danger. Right now the extreme SW seems to be diminishing but sea areas Rockall and Bailey are still building to storm force 10 and 11. Could be a wild night in the offing up north.


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