BS: in the beginning and now

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 07:30 PM

I get it.
I've been listening to music to make love by.
Some Indian ragas are hot but Howard Hanson's symphony #2 The Romantic Symphony is positively pornographic.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Mo the caller
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 06:28 PM

In principio et nunc et semper.

Sorry, could help myself;should have known that if it was Bach (which I've been practising for weeks about the house, and singing in a concert last night) it would have been above the line.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 04:25 PM

Bud light.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 04:24 PM

Let there be light!

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 03:46 PM

Must confess I know very little of all these hypothesis , except that dark matter dark energy etc are unobservable fudge factors , and as you say yourself it’s a matter of believe .   Me of course, I’ll go with Genesis !

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 03:43 PM

How spacetime tunnels out from the center of a black hole is one thing I can not visualize in a 3D universe. That space is drawn into a black hole faster than the speed of light and that a black hole slowly evaporates by some process like Hawking radiation or by Donuel spacetime radiation is easy to conceive of compared to space 'tunneling'.

That space is being generated in a black hole and goes 'somewhere' seems to take a more dimensional mind's eye than mine. Or as most people might rightly think, 'thats where the idea breaks down and falls apart'. But everything is not intuitive. Some scientists prefer the 'unintuitive' because they get more grants whether they prove a theory or not.

Soon we will be able to measure the horizon of the visible horizon of space with infrared telescopes but to take a measuement inside a black hole in our own back yard is like reaching the unreachable star.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 09:01 AM

What is needed is an equation like E=MC2 where a little tiny bit of matter can become a great great deal of Energy,
BUT inside a great deal of energy like a black hole...
A tiny bit of matter can become a great great deal of space time.




It would explain dark energy and aspects of a multiverse.

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Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 08:36 AM

They (astrophyicists) say that Albert's math and predictions break down inside black holes. What that means is that when you apply his math step by step you end up with an answer resulting in a repeating infinity + a repeating infinity + a repeating infinity...

Well why not?
We have assumed that infinities must be wrong

Now that we can explain how matter and space can change places inside a black hole and space is still being generated today...

I bet Albert E would be delighted.


Warning = this is just the way I saw it about 15 years ago
Over time I have improved my ability to explain this to people which is like learning a foreign language to me. I reserve the right to be wrong ;^/

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 08:11 AM

We ARE made of the universe and we are somewhat conscious
ergo the universe has and is consciousness banjo man.
Its our universe and anyone may play with its understanding.

Measuring fundamental forces, spacetime and that which is within our our senses and instruments is for experts.

Albert E was smart enough to derive thought experiments but more often than not others did the math for proof whether it was his wives or international experts. Some say his brain was unique with twice as much white matter (connective neurons) and a normal amount of grey matter (cortex) . Mainly he was dysleic by current standards.
Like I say anyone can play.

We call life 20 miles beneath our feet and 20 miles above our heads extremeophiles. We are pretty extreme ourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: banjoman
Date: 16 Nov 19 - 06:45 AM

Mind boggling. I have given much thought to this post and I think I can just about get what your getting at. However, I still believe that creation was an act of will by some superior entity, call it whatever you want.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 19 - 11:19 AM

If dark matter is complex enough, it may have grown life. Would we be invisible to dark matter life? Would dark matter life even evolve vision? etc. all the way down a silly rabbit hole.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 19 - 11:11 AM

We have measured by type 1A and approximate candle power as well as other means but we all know light moves at different speeds in different mediums.

All I know is that I can't see it except for gravitational lensing.
The damn dark stuff has no electromagnetic radiation.

They say right before the annihlation of matter vs. antimatter there were 1 billion and 1 particles of matter and only 1 billion particles of antimatter. Visible matter barely won, but the left over debris and energy is in my opinion the dark matter.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Nov 19 - 09:54 AM

Ah

James Clerk Maxwell said long since.

To measure is to know. - mind you we have measured and we still don't know, but at least we know we don't know! So we know it is a known unknown.............

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: BobL
Date: 15 Nov 19 - 02:12 AM

The existence of dark matter is postulated to account for anomalies in various astronomical quantities such as distance, speed and mass, that cannot be measured directly.
Be funny if the methods for measuring them indirectly turned out to be wrong, wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 19 - 07:00 AM

If egg heads want to solve the mystery of dark matter they will have to bring the Hadron collider to the point of destruction and smash a gram of anti protons with protons and look for the remnants.
Dark matter is the remainder of the post big bang annihilation of matteer and anti matter. It didn't all turn into E. THE magnitude of that explosion was unthinkable and only left the slight remainder of 1 or 2% of visible matter.
3 great mysteries solved in 3 days, next?

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Nov 19 - 09:18 AM

Black Whole cherries?

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 19 - 08:46 AM

but the future is off topic.
The above interpretation of the mystery of the theory of inflation was based on Eienstienian principles. The Dark energy fluctuation mystery goes beyond Albert and goes deep into how space time and matter change inside black holes.

While a BH sucks up matter gravitationaly, it spits out space.
For simplicity sake there is alot wrong with that statement but it serves to get a handle on what Eienstein could not elucidate. The Penrose diagram (googleable) shows how matter and space change places inside a BH.

Am I guilty of cherry picking? Yep

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 19 - 06:34 AM

die? well...It goes to a lower energy level which bears no resemblance to what we see now. We or our remants will go the way of this olde universe. Old acquaintance will be forgot as space and particals rip apart obeying new fundamental weaker forces.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Nov 19 - 02:36 AM

So the Universe dies?

R.I.P.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Nov 19 - 08:18 AM

Entropy rules like Joe says

Enter THE BIG RIP

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Joe_F
Date: 10 Nov 19 - 05:55 PM

The universe is a rotten vacuum. In the beginning there was nothing, which decayed.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 19 - 02:10 PM

Some cosmologists believe that in a million trillion years when the universe is cold with no more stars, matter or even black holes that slowly radiated away, there is still the inherent energy of space itself that could have a quantum event that might reignite matter energy into existence again.

Subject: RE: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 19 - 10:48 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/kids/video/new-type-of-black-hole-may-be-the-smallest-ever-discovered/vi-AAJQnhp?ocid=spartandhp
There are more surprises to come

Subject: BS: in the beginning and now
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 19 - 08:21 AM

In a moment of inspiration/epiphaney I saw that the big bang was so dense that time was at a near standstill similar to what we see near super massive black holes today. What we call inflation today looks like the universe suddenly popped into existence in no time. Well it did because time was virtually stopped by the unimaginable density.
This ( my/Occams Razor,) view of the big bang is not recognized by mainstream comologists to my surprise. This expansion of the universe eventually gave way to what we see as a steady expansion that has slowly evolved into a more accelerated expansion of the universe in the recent billions of years.

I interpreted this as an effect of the growing number of black holes that act like small regional partial big bangs and is respondsible for the dark energy that pushes space in an acceleration BECAUSE black holes have the ability to transform matter into space. This is quite different from stars transforming matter into energy.

So the universe expanded in no time at first and went along steadily and now again is speeding up.

A small boy from England grew up with an inquisitiv mind and has now shown how matter can turn into space inside black holes. His name is Roger Penrose. Its fair to say he is unpopular in some circles.

This is part of his contribution that causes me to see that a transformation of matter into more spacetime is a possibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83yGeDri0ds

This is not as hard as it may first seem. Just add an extra step of the transformed matter energy tunneling out of BHs in the form of space energy and the question of WHAT IS DARK ENERGY becomes something simple to understand.

In the beginning something did not come from nothing
it came from something, partially like the black holes that create more space, and may be the elusive dark energy which is the cosmological question of our time.

The ultimate Black Hole may be the big bang

The future is unknown as to if all matter will ever be drawn to a single point again if everything continues to accelerate apart, but it looks doubtful. It looks like we are in a one shot universe.
Cosmological reincarnaion does not look like it has a chance here. That may be up to a different universe in the multiple universe.