BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 09:03 AM

For the 2005 election Tony Blair promised he'd serve the full third term. Did he keep that promise?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 08:54 AM

”You're wasting your time with those requests, we all know he won't answer and a number of the toxic exchanges have been deleted. Your best bet is to simply ignore trolls.”

Wise words from a wise woman. Wise members will take heed. Some of us already have.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 08:44 AM

I couldn't agree more, Raggytash.

An expressed policy is not a promise. The vicissitudes of life can make it difficult to achieve. Expressed policies are in the same league as aspirations. We can forgive if policies and aspirations have to be changed. What we should neither forgive nor forget is the bare-faced lie. It should always come back to bite the liar until he accepts that he lied and until he apologises. In the case of our resident liar, pigs might fly, I suppose. To that extent I agree with SRS.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 08:33 AM

It's not me who is the stupid one.

The opening posts clearly indicates (or at least it does to intelligent people) that the thread is about the present government.

To date, after less than a month in power, they have already indicated they will renege on several pledges.

any sign of those thousands of posts with flame-baiting and invective yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 08:26 AM

Stupid boy. The thread is about broken Govt pledges.No timeframe is specified. It is rather sill to pursue the present government, they have only been in office a couple of weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 08:20 AM

More "whataboutism" going back 20 years now.

Perhaps he could employ his time better by searching out the thousands of posts that harbour invective and flamebait.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 07:29 AM

No more boom and bust sounded like an aspiration,
Rubbish it was the cornerstone of brown's fiscal policy


May 20, 1997, speech by the chancellor to the CBI: Exploiting the British genius – the key to long-term economic success:
"Stability is necessary for our future economic success. The British economy of the future must be built not on the shifting sands of boom and bust, but on the bedrock of prudent and wise economic management for the long term. It is only these firm foundations that we can raise Britain's underlying economic performance."
April 28 1998, speech by the chancellor to the British American business council in London:
"Now it is true to say in Britain that the last forty years has been characterised by stop go, boom bust, instability in economic policy. And so I can tell you that the first objective of the new government has been the determination to ensure monetary and fiscal stability, in place of stop go, and to do so in an economy far more open than the sheltered national economics of the past."
June 10 1999, speech by the chancellor at Mansion House:
"The way forward is for governments to consciously pursue monetary and fiscal stability through setting clear objectives, establishing proper rules, and requiring openness and transparency - the new rules of the game. Particularly important for a Britain which has been more subject than most economies to the instability of boom-bust cycles and constantly changing policies.
April 5 2000, Speech by Gordon Brown to the British Chamber of Commerce national conference:
"In a global marketplace with its increased insecurities and indeed often volatility and instability national economic stability is at a premium, the precondition for all we can achieve, and no nation can secure the high levels of sustainable investment it needs without both monetary and fiscal stability together.
And it was to avoid the historic British problem - the violence of the repeated boom and bust cycles of the past - that we established the new monetary framework based on consistent rules - the symmetrical inflation target; settled well understood procedures - Bank independence; and openness and transparency. And side by side with it and as important, a new fiscal discipline with, again, clear and consistent rules - the golden rule for public spending; well understood procedures - our fiscal responsibility legislation; and a new openness and transparency
My vision is of a Britain where there is not stop go and boom bust but economic stability; a Britain which is business-friendly, and where there is enterprise, opportunity for all; a Britain which rewards the innovator and risk-taker and encourages a new generation of entrepreneurs, a Britain which because opportunity is open to all is enterprising and fair."
June 20 2001, chancellor's speech at Mansion House
"Every time in recent decades when the British economy has started to grow, Governments of both parties have taken short-term decisions which too often have created unsustainable consumer booms, let the economy get out of control and sacrificed monetary and fiscal prudence. And everyone here will remember how quickly and easily boom turned to bust in the early nineties.
March 28 2002, speech to the TGWU conference, Manufacturing matters
"With Bank of England independence, tough decisions on inflation, new fiscal rules, and hard public spending controls, we today in our country have economic stability not boom and bust, the lowest inflation in Europe, and long term interest rates - essential for businesses planning to borrow and invest - lower than for thirty five years.
This was the same laddie that gave away the gold reserves for a few cornflake packets

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 07:01 AM

No more boom and bust sounded like an aspiration. As did getting immigration down to the tens of thousands. Politicians "breaking promises" is time-honoured. We should take manifesto pledges as giving us the general intended sense of direction of the political party should they get into power. That is not the same thing as telling bare-faced lies. Saddam's weapons was a bare-faced lie. £350 million was a bare-faced lie. Tuition fees won't rise was a bare-faced lie. Farage's poster was a bare-faced lie by insinuation.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:38 AM

As I was saying, an educated electorate should easily be able to distinguish between expressed, unrealistic aspirations/spin and bare-faced lies. If you publicly pledged that tuition fees will not increase, then, within months, you triple them, you lied. If you said that leaving the EU will save £350 million a week, when you know that it isn't true, you lied. Learn to spot the difference and you can then call yourself educated.

Idiot!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:35 AM

It may have escaped the notice of some but we have had a conservative lead government for 10 years you cannot blame past failings of any labour government for any of the ills of today, sufficient time has elapsed for them to have been corrected.
Economic illiteracy as usual: For lefties delectation and delight!
New analysis of official figures shows that Labour initiated PFI contracts to build 103 new hospitals between 1997 and 2010. The party proclaimed at the time of the last election it has been responsible for a "new generation" of hospitals in Britain.

The total "unitary charge" payments for these hospitals was £5.1 billion. However, many projects will not be fully paid off for more than two decades - with the last one not "completing" until 2048.

The total accumulated "unitary charge" payments for the hospitals will be £65.1 billion - meaning that only 7.8 of the total was actually paid for before Labour left office.
Costs have escalated because of rising fees and additional charges for maintenance, cleaning and catering.
According to official figures, the NHS currently pays back £1.25 billion each year - but this figure will increase until 2030 when it is expected to hit £2.3 billion.
Howsabout that then? Terrible things facts!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:27 AM

No more Boom and Bust?

Just before the big crash.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:22 AM

I repeat for those of limited understanding:

"It may have escaped the notice of some but we have had a conservative lead government for 10 years you cannot blame past failings of any labour government for any of the ills of today, sufficient time has elapsed for them to have been corrected."

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:22 AM

I find it extremely ironic that you, of all people, should use the word "Bliar."

As I was saying, an educated electorate should easily be able to distinguish between expressed, unrealistic aspirations/spin and bare-faced lies. If you publicly pledged that tuition fees will not increase, then, within months, you triple them, you lied. If you said that leaving the EU will save £350 million a week, when you know that it isn't true, you lied. Learn to spot the difference and you can then call yourself educated.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:07 AM

A soupçon of Labour broken promises.
Did not the bliar and broon promise a referendum on EU membership?
and promptly renege?
Tsk, Tsk
In 2005 Labour stated that it would “maintain [the] inflation target at two per cent. Last month it was 3.9 per cent.
The party also pledged to eliminate youth unemployment – it was currently running at more than 920,000 among 16-24 year olds
In n 2005 Labour made the same pledge on income tax – aiming to underpin its third successive victory. However, in 2008 Mr Darling announced a new 45p top rate of tax for those on £150,000, putting this up to 50p in 2009
Council tax, which Labour said it was “committed to reform”, and pledged to keep “under control” in 2005, has gone on rising with plans for a property revaluation in England kicked into the long grass.
Labour’s plans for a National Insurance rise from next year (which they would partly block if elected) is a “tax on jobs” and a world away from Labour’s 2005 declaration: “We want a tax regime that supports British business”.
In June 1997, at the start of New Labour’s years in power, John Prescott, the former deputy prime minister, rashly declared: “I will have failed if in five years time there are not ... far fewer journeys by car.” By June 2002, car traffic was up by seven per cent.
Mr Blair began his final term of office with a renewed zeal for major reform of the public services – with education top of his list.
However, literacy and numeracy targets for 11-year-olds, which the 2005 manifesto promised would be met, have not been hit. Nor do all children receive two hours of PE or sport per week, which the document pledged they would do by this year.
In 2005 Labour promised a “nationwide week-long summer residential programme for school students”. Nothing like this has been introduced.
The party also promised a “bigger, better” higher education system with increased public spending. However, about half of Britain’s universities will have their budgets cut this year as the sector becomes one of the first big victims of government savings.
In 2005 Labour’s “aim” was for 50 per cent of young people to go on to higher education by this year – by 2008 the figure was only 39.8 per cent – a rise of 0.6 percentage points since 2000. The 2010 manifesto promises patients a maximum 18 weeks’ wait for treatment. Laudable – until you remember that the same promise was made in the party’s 2005 manifesto and that for one in 10 patients this target has not been met. Another great Blair idea – patient choice – saw a pledge that by 2009 all women would be able to choose where they had their baby as well as what sort of pain relief. However, the National Childbirth Trust suggests this is not true for 95 per cent of women. Neither has Labour been able to do much to meet its plan to reduce health inequalities between rich and poor. 2010 targets in this area for both life expectancy and infant mortality are set to be missed.Labour’s plan for “comprehensive” out-of-hours service by GPs sounded good – until 90 per cent took up a contract to opt out of such provision. Even a relatively minor, achievable-sounding pledge, such as the 2005 promise to make fruit and vegetables part of every school meal, has not been met. By 2007, Labour said, every offender would be supervised after release.” Currently those who spend less than a year in jail are not supervised. Labour also pledged in 2005 to introduce a “non-emergency” telephone service to report crimes which was duly launched the following year using the 101 number – only to lose direct Home Office funding in 2007. An electronic borders system to track visitors to the UK was promised by 2010 – but will not be fully on-stream until 2014.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:06 AM

From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 05:32 AM
Stanron, I made it quite clear in my opening post that this thread was referring to the present Johnson government and I also made it quite clear that I expected it to run for the life of this parliament.

Now that the forum has been restricted to a single thread discussing UK politics it is no longer reasonable to believe that the originator of this thread should have any control over the direction of the discussion. (in my opinion)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:05 AM

Typical response of "whataboutism" Stanron.

How about a comment on this.

The government has promised an increase in the national minimum wage of 6.2% which they claim is over 4 times the rate of inflation.

By the same token they have allowed the rail companies to raise prices by 2.7% which they claim is less than the rate of inflation.

So if inflation is in excess of 2.7% surely a rise in the nation minimum wage of over 4 times the rate of inflation should result in a rise of over 10.8%, not 6.2%.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:04 AM

Sure, Stanron. And your Tories rapidly tripled tuition fees after a solemn pledge from the deputy prime minister that it definitely wouldn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 06:01 AM

Well we still blame Adam 'n' Eve for the fact that our souls start off with the stain of original sin.... ;-)

And I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face: politicians who utter unrealistic aspirations, or who put the best spin on things, are not lying. A better-educated electorate would sit comfortably with that. But bare-faced lying, as we see with Trump, Johnson and the far-right troll on this forum, should be called out for what it is for every single time. Letting blatant lies pass happened a lot in the election campaign as well as in the brexit campaign. It's a dangerous slippery slope.

By the way, he lied about his ability to find "thousands" of posts AFTER most of those deletions happened, SRS. Just sayin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 05:52 AM

You predicted that a Tory Government would break pledges. I pointed out that in the past a Labour Government broke a pledge of enormous significance. Especially to the younger voters. Funny that, seeing as how they claim to represent the younger generation.

There have been two previous Tory Prime ministers in the last ten years and Boris is the third. Same party but, perhaps, a different Government.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 05:32 AM

Stanron, I made it quite clear in my opening post that this thread was referring to the present Johnson government and I also made it quite clear that I expected it to run for the life of this parliament.

It may have escaped the notice of some but we have had a conservative lead government for 10 years you cannot blame past failings of any labour government for any of the ills of today, sufficient time has elapsed for them to have been corrected.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 05:13 AM

Dave the Gnome wrote: We all know that lying is the new norm in politics.

Political lying is a test that cannot be applied equally because only the winning party is in a position to keep it's manifesto promises. Boris's main promise in the last election was to get Brexit done. So far it does not look as if he will break that promise but if he did I would have thought you would be delighted.

As for the thread title, at least partly changed, if we have to discuss Broken Government Pledges we have to go back ten years or more to find examples of Labour's broken pledges. I can't be bothered to put the time in to do an academic type search, but I don't have to go to such lengths to remember

"No student tuition fees!"

Remind me, how did that one go?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 04:37 AM

We all know that lying is the new norm in politics. It is little wonder that some people on here emulate their leaders. Shame but no surprise.

Compo the clown"WON THE ARGUMENT!"

Yeah right. That worked out really well. Bums on seats is the only metric to consider,
and we have more than you. Therefore what we wants, we gets!

Giddy up Brexit!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jan 20 - 03:02 AM

We all know that lying is the new norm in politics. It is little wonder that some people on here emulate their leaders. Shame but no surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 20 - 09:11 PM

You're wasting your time with those requests, we all know he won't answer and a number of the toxic exchanges have been deleted. Your best bet is to simply ignore trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 20 - 05:19 PM

Oh, I can accuse you of lying all right. Your latest post is simply yet another pathetic attempt to divert us from the vacuous claim you made, which I reproduce here again in full:

"Now, it has already been established that invective and flame bait will achieve nothing but deletions and thread closures.

I can find thousands of posts from the lefties that give the lie to that statement. They have still not been deleted!"

Despite repeated requests, you have failed to come up with a single one of those "thousands of posts." As you know, and as I know, there are no "thousands" of such posts. And you knew that before you posted that post. Like Keith used to do, you hoped we were too thick to notice. Well you've found different. Therefore you are a liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jan 20 - 04:53 PM

Time for a recap of how we reached the present situation after Broken promises: Lessons from 10 years of the Blair Government in Europe.
Complete with a spiffing link so the linkless pontificator cannot accuse me of lying.

http://www.proyectos.cchs.csic.es/euroconstitution/Treaties/Library%20(Since%20June%202007/open%20europe%202007a.pdf

The article makes a complete mockery of the then Labour party position.
Fast forward to compo's clowns and the recent election has achieved the same thing.
The article also encapsulates many of the reasons why the leave vote won.
Taking back control was obviously of major importance to the majority yet ridiculed by the lefty guardianistas on this forum.
He who laughs last.............!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jan 20 - 04:34 PM

Actually I wish our Republican and Democrat politicians could have as civil and polite discussions as I find here recently. Excluding the turds of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jan 20 - 04:13 PM

Times up.

Yes we live in testy and testing times. Yet there is reason to be optimistic.

From my US perspective I have always looked upon England as the epitome of a more civil and polite society and language - until I read your threads.
The stereotype I have is shared by many, unless they have seen your Parliament. It is something to build on to create a weapon against fascism (again) or simply rise above the fray.


And yes wit or comedy should be allowed even if you have old farts who don't get it. Disreali comes to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jan 20 - 03:34 PM

I will declare a 5 minute truce to wish everyone a belated Happy New Year.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 01 Jan 20 - 03:03 PM

Round here I can't see much evidence of any jubilation. Obviously (as ever) the overwhelming bulk of the Tory vote is mainly older voters who are so lost in Daily Mail land they couldn't vote any other way. Some of the the few people i have spoken to who have changed their vote and have swapped outright condemnation of the rigged, elitist system to vote for Boris Johnson seem unsure, a little thoughtful and even embarrassed about whether they will get any of the promised benefits of more Tories or Brexit

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jan 20 - 03:13 AM

I think, I hope, that Stan was 'havin' a larff' with his quip about Neill being a 'paragon of political impartiality, Steve.

I hope so. Despite our differences of view, I regard Stan as one of the 'relatively good guys' from The Dark Side - one who is capable of making a meaningful argument, even if it is presented in a somewhat gruff, abrasive manner sometimes (we're all capable of being gruff and abrasive, aren't we?). I'd really hate to see him go down the 'Iains' route of non-discussion and provocative flame-baiting.

Happy New Year to everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 08:57 PM

Happy New Year

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 08:51 PM

(Sent that last one prematurely by accident). If that's your idea of a paragon of impartiality, then I feel sorry for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 08:49 PM

Incidentally,

"That paragon of political impartiality, Andrew Neil..."

Are you blind? Neil was chairman of the Federation of Conservative Students in Scotland. He worked as a researcher for the Tories. He was the editor of Murdoch's Sunday Times for over ten years. He worked for Murdoch with Sky, where he was the founding chairman. He worked for the Daily Mail and for the Barclay brothers. He supported the invasion of Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq. He supported the US invasion of Grenada. He supported the installation of American nuclear weapons in UK military bases. He is a climate change denier. He employed the Holocaust denier, David Irving to work for his paper.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 06:47 PM

Point taken, Bill and John. But I feel there's one thing that we still have to do. Laissez-faire is one thing, and I applaud it. But letting a discussion forum go to hell in a handcart just so that an insulting maniac can be given his head seems like a step too far to me. I might have to kowtow, but not via a New Year's resolution.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 06:38 PM

Just as a little reality check to end the year, it would seem that "taking back control" may not extend to the UK fishing fleet (or the bits that the people who own the fishing rights have not sold off the overseas fleets)

An interesting article in todays Guardian and what will in all likelihood actually happen.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/31/the-guardian-view-on-brexits-fishy-tale-we-will-need-friends-at-sea

Take back control ...….. yeah Right!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 06:37 PM

Yes, a happy and healthy new year to everyone. Even Iains! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 06:29 PM

I'd like to offer to everyone who has contributed to this thread, scatalogically challenged or not, a happy and prosperous new year.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:58 PM

Seconded.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Mossback
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:52 PM

Hullo, Steve -

For the New Year I recommend you forswear turd-wrestling.

I extend the same suggestion to others in re; the current Turd Triumvirate.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:51 PM

The fact is that the vast majority of the electorate didn't have a clue as to what the single market or customs union are. You can tell me until you're blue in the face that the public actively voted for something they knew little or nothing about, but I'll call you a liar. Don't believe me? Go down the pub and ask your mates what the single market and customs union are. Maybe then you'll stop deluding yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:35 PM

Iains wrote:
A fortnight before the referendum in 2016, then Prime Minister David Cameron said during an interview:

    “The British public would be voting if we leave would be to leave the EU and leave the single market."

I remember too. That paragon of political impartiality, Andrew Neil, showed a series of videos of Politicians, Heads of Industry and Bankers all saying the same thing to remainers who made the 'we weren't told' argument. Water off a duck's back.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:32 PM

Apologies for the double. I thought it had gone into the ether.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:30 PM

"You demonstrate yet again a total lack of understanding of UK politics."

SRS shows more understanding of UK politics than you could ever show in a million years (you've just demonstrated this yet again in the post above this). Time and time again here you have demonstrated utter ignorance, bigotry, racism and vacuous triumphalism that marks you out as a complete moron. Sadly for you, you are just about the only person here who doesn't recognise your lack of decent values. You are a far-right put-up job and you tell lie after lie. Your latest one is the one about those thousands of posts you claimed you could find. You've been asked about this again and again and have failed to produce a single one. The fact that you continue to display your ignorance here so shamelessly also demonstrates that you have no dignity. What a loser.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:28 PM

"You demonstrate yet again a total lack of understanding of UK politics."

SRS shows more understanding of UK politics than you could ever show in a million years. Time and time again here you have demonstrated utter ignorance, bigotry, racism and vacuous triumphalism that marks you out as a complete moron. Sadly for you, you are just about the only person here who doesn't recognise your lack of decent values. You are a far-right put-up job and you tell lie after lie. Your latest one is the one about those thousands of posts you claimed you could find. You've been asked about this again and again and have failed to produce a single one. The fact that you continue to display your ignorance here so shamelessly also demonstrates that you have no dignity. What a loser.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:23 PM

Yes, Stanron, but your side insisted that we'd voted to leave the single market and customs union, when we'd done no such thing

A fortnight before the referendum in 2016, then Prime Minister David Cameron said during an interview:

    “The British public would be voting if we leave would be to leave the EU and leave the single market."

If leaving the single market leaving the customs union occurs as well.
Terrible things facts!

From the UK government leaflet dropped through every door:(project Fear on steroids)
The Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK
If the UK voted to leave the EU, the resulting economic shock would put pressure on the value of the pound, which would risk higher prices of some household goods and damage living standards.Losing our full access to the EU’s Single Market would make exporting to Europe harder and increase costs.

Despite "call me Dave's" antileave leaflet the majority voted leave.
They confirmed that choice in the recent election.
The entire leaflet was created by remainiacs including Cameron.
Must have been a nasty shock for him when the British public gave him two fingers in the ballot box. I wonder if Bojo cleared enough vermin out of his party to keep brexit on track?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 02:13 PM

Going back to the title of the thread there is a timely reminder of just how trustworthy conservative election promises are worth.

In 2015 the conservative government promised that the national living wage would be £9 per hour, yesterday they announced they would make much needed changes to the national living wage. However this is still fall short of the figure promised in 2015.

Failure to reach that promise equates to about £1600 per annum to those worst off in out society.

An absolute disgrace.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/31/government-misses-minimum-wage-target-set-by-tories-in-2015

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 02:09 PM

Raggy - I'd like to ready myself as a survivalist prepper..
But I lack any military training,
am getting a bit too old and slow to learn how to kill a mob of scavenging food raiders..
in self defence..
.. aint even watched enough Bear Grylls on the telly to know the right animal poos to suck on for water...

So we'd better hope Boris don't fuck up our future....

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 02:06 PM

New Year’s Resolution time, folks.

I recommend something along the lines of, “I will not rise to the bait laid by the forum’s Extreme-Right-Wing-Plant or any of his newly-found acolytes”.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 01:49 PM

One thing I do find, slightly, consoling is that some of us expect the situation in the UK to take a turn for the worse.

Thus, some of us are lucky enough to be able to plan ahead for the inevitable maelstrom that will fall upon us, some of us expect it.

Some of us.

However, there are many, many people who will I feel be greatly shocked, and financially much worse off in the not too distant future and I have serious concerns about these people.

But, I know I shouldn't, but I sincerely hope that the vocal proponents of Brexit on here are the one's who suffer most.