BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 08:35 AM

Steve Shaw wrote: For the umpteenth time, Jeremy Corbyn voted remain.

You make my point for me. Before he became leader Jeremy Corbyn was anti EU. When he became leader he voted how Momentum told him to vote. Not what I call leadership.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 07:45 AM

It also helps if you're a hale-fellow-well-met serial totty-shagging buffoon.

For the umpteenth time, Jeremy Corbyn voted remain.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 07:23 AM

Being ex military also scores extra brownie points with voters...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 07:05 AM

I forgot to include ‘decisive’ and ‘supremely able to think clearly on their feet, whilst being howled at and jeered by the horde of blue baboons on the opposite benches’ in the list of personal attributes required by the new leader, in my post of 10 JAN 20 - 02:35 AM.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 06:55 AM

This is speculation so you can dismiss it if you wish but I wonder if Labour actually want a leader as we know the word. We all know that Jeremy Corbyn was, and had been for a long time, anti EU. However the party machine was pro EU and so JC put his own beliefs to one side and led the party along the lines decided at conference.

Any new 'Leader' will be expected to 'lead' the party in the same way. I put it to you that this is not what most of us understand as leadership. It's not the kind of leadership Labour needs in order to win back those seats that went to the Conservative party in the last election.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 06:44 AM

Whether or not I am a 'good socialist',
I will make it plain and clear that any prospective Labour candidate
publicly claiming to be a "Socialist" in 2020
instantly renders themselves unelectable in most constituencies..

Like it or not that is the reality of self identifying as a "Socialist"...

The word has now become so demonised by all pervasive mail/sun/guido populist culture,
and become such a trigger for all the now ingrained social prejudice against anyone left of H1tler..

The word "socialist/ism" belongs back in the early 20th Century history,
and is now no longer acceptable to most voters...
Even ordinary working class ex Labour voters who still at heart believe in basic "socialist" values...

The Labour party needs to come to terms with this,
and also reconsider the wisdom of sticking with the word "comrade"
and publicly singing "The Red Flag" in any situations where there are phone cameras...

Adapt and survive...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 06:19 AM

”Jeremy Corbyn did not lose the election because he was a socialist. Where do you want me to start?”

And I didn’t say he did.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 06:02 AM

Makes you wonder, doesn't it, Dave...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 05:51 AM

Seems a few turkeys here managed to escape Christmas! The rest of the cull was an outstanding success.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 05:39 AM

I know of a few copies of the party that must not be named membership list that was leaked some time back. I suspect a bit of work could easily show that membership transferred to UKIP and the Brexit party with a good dose of Britain First thrown in. It was, after all, pretty easy to find those on the list who were folkies and ordered by Obergruppenführer Nick to infiltrate folk music forums.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 05:27 AM

England First, eh? Yep....That figures...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 05:20 AM

BORIS JOHNSON’s deal has comprehensively cleared its latest hurdle in the House of Commons, but Brexit Secretary Steven Barclay has warned the House of Lords not to undo all the hard work as the withdrawal agreement reaches its next crucial stage.

Will Boris disband the vermin in ermine first, or the BBC? Good to see the massive Tory majority threatening the foe with fire and brimstone.
No credible response off lippy labour! All mouth and no trousers these days. Can't for the life of me think why that is.

England, bound in with the triumphant sea
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:

But only until the end of January!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 04:39 AM

Jeremy Corbyn did not lose the election because he was a socialist. Where do you want me to start?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 02:50 AM

"The ordinary people of this country desperately need a good Labour government, whether they understand that or not. The Labour Party needs a leader who is an excellent orator, a unifying figure, a supreme strategist, and a bare-knuckle-fighter in the House of Commons."

and it shall come to pass! Perhaps?
but not a cat in hell's chance before 2050. Rest assured your present bunch of wannabe leaders are as attractive to the electorate as a dose of crabs, despite you "winning the argument"

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 02:35 AM

I remember JC winning two leadership elections by landslides. I remember a lot of people hailing him as The New Messiah. I also remember some people (including me and Mrs Backwoodsperson) saying he would render the LP unelectable to government.

Who, in the end, was proved right?

Being a ‘good Socialist’, as JC undoubtedly is, is simply not enough. The ordinary people of this country desperately need a good Labour government, whether they understand that or not. The Labour Party needs a leader who is an excellent orator, a unifying figure, a supreme strategist, and a bare-knuckle-fighter in the House of Commons.

I don’t see RLB as that leader, despite liking and admiring her as a person and a senior member of the PLP. But do any of the candidates qualify on all counts?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 06:49 PM

I was in me classroom one afternoon in May 1994 when a socialist mate of mine came in and whispered in my ear that John Smith had just died suddenly. After a minute or two getting over the shock, I whispered back that Blair was the shoo-in. I felt at that time that it was days of hope after Thatcher trashing the country. The bloody fourth year bottom group occupied me for the next half-hour...

I'm predicting a Starmer-Rayner ticket. It wouldn't be my choice. I think there are two mighty women, they share a flat, and they'll get my vote if I get the chance. All this vacillation about Becky having Corbyn baggage is just bollocks. Every one of those candidates has baggage that the Mail will home in on. We need someone who will fight all that with real teeth. Becky for me every time.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:30 PM

Steve - might as well just let Guido, America, and Israel choose the next Labour Leader..
Don't make much difference where I vote...

I'm sure Blair was handed victory in such an appointment from 'above'...???

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:07 PM

None of the six hopefuls are going to escape serial slagging by the gutter press and the criminal idiot Staines (and his friend here - wonder why anyone would proudly throw his lot in with a bloke like that, unless...?). The judgement is going to be which one can ride out the storm best with a combination of toughness, honesty and determined leadership.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:05 PM

btw.. who are these "remainiacs" I hear so much about...???

I could possibly have been persuaded to vote leave
[in fact I was open mined to good persuasion...]
if it hadn't been for all the aggressively abusive leaver nutcases
shouting so loud above any sensible honest leave campaigners...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 02:59 PM

like I said...


But I'd hope for the future mental health of our nation,
that only a minority of the 17.4 million are such obsessed fanatics...???

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 02:53 PM

It is very important to the 17.4 million majority that voted for brexit and had to endure 3.5 years of remainiac stalling and demands for a second referendum because it was so unfair.
Well 12/12 settled your hash bigtime. We're OFF!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 02:17 PM

Do some folks not have anything more interesting or important in their lives...???

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 01:43 PM

It’s finally happened: a Brexit Bill has passed the Commons.

Ayes – 330

Noes – 231

off to the Lords next.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 10:32 AM

"The Boundary Commission sent over its final recommendations for the new parliamentary boundaries in September 2018.

The Commission said it was “confident” its new map would be the best outcome for the future of parliament.

In 2011, MPs in parliament backed the principle of undertaking a reduction in the number of MPs.

The law requires the size and shape of parliamentary boundaries are periodically reviewed to keep updated with demographic changes which influence a number of eligible electors in each area.

The last review took place in the mid-noughties, which ensured changes were enacted for the 2010 general election."(wales 2006, Englanf 2008, N Ireland 2007, scotland 2005)

The proposed changes are twofold?:
1)Shrink the number of snouts in the trough.
2)To ensure the numbers of the electorate in each constituency are equal.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1198254/election-2019-boundary-changes-effect-2019-general-election
It has to be pointed out the author of the article is a total idiot for asking how the changes would impact the december election. How a future event can possibly impact a past event totally escapes me. These changes have not been before parliament and hence have not been enacted. THe election was fought on 2010 constituency boundaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 09:39 AM

"We will ensure we have updated and
equal Parliamentary boundaries,
making sure that every vote counts the
same – a cornerstone of democracy."

Gasp... what.. me and my mum's votes will finally get us a Labour MP in Scrumpyshire...!!!!!???



Just a note, my mum is 87.. so if the kindly tories can hurry up with our magic new boundaries...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 09:34 AM

On page 48 of the Conservative Manifesto it says:

We will ensure we have updated and
equal Parliamentary boundaries,
making sure that every vote counts the
same – a cornerstone of democracy.

So yes, they will do that (to the extent any manifesto commitment is binding)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 09:22 AM

But all sarcasm aside, Iains response does tend to positively support suspicions
the tories do plan rejigging constituency boundaries even more in their favour
for future elections...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 09:09 AM

Well.. you can always rely on the tory party to conduct a clean fair honourable election campaign...
Despite all the odds the nasty Labour party have stacked against the poor downtrodden tories..

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 08:44 AM

Was there rumours they plan rejigging constituency boundaries even more in their favour
for future elections...??? Pure myth!
The reality:
The Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986 (as amended in 2011) required the four Boundary Commissions for the UK to carry out a review of constituencies and to submit final reports to Government in September 2018. Parliament specified that the 2018 Review must reduce the number of constituencies, and therefore MPs, in the UK, to 600. It asked us, as an independent and impartial body, to consider where the boundaries of the new constituencies in England should be, ensuring that every new constituency (except two for the Isle of Wight) has roughly the same number of electors: no fewer than 71,031 and no more than 78,507.

If left as at present there is a faint possibility that the bias towards Labour in the present boundaries would create another nightmare on corbyn street,

It is generally held that constituency boundaries at present favour labour by a combination of gerrymandering and malapportionment,
https://www.geog.ox.ac.uk/research/transformations/gis/papers/dannydorling_publication_id1322.pdf


https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/files/102177649/Gerrymander.pdf
Terrible things facts (unless a guardianista)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 08:07 AM

...and at the end of the day, where I vote the tories always get in...


Was there rumours they plan rejigging constituency boundaries even more in their favour
for future elections...???

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 06:56 AM

I’m not sure about RLB Steve. Although I like her, and see her as an intelligent, articulate, strong woman, I can’t help but feel that she will be seen by voters as a ‘Corbynette’, which won’t be good for the LP.

I think I’d prefer Clive Lewis to RLB. But maybe I’d go for KS...I dunno. Although, as I’m not a member, it really doesn’t matter what I think! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 06:07 AM

Well if you're known all your life as Becky or Jess that's how you project yourself, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 05:01 AM

THE LABOUR leadership election process began this week with six candidates in line to replace Jeremy Corbyn. One contender, once an outsider in the running for the role, has seen their odds shorten recently with one bookmaker saying the contest is now a "three-horse race".

or as one pundit said " A three horse race for a three legged horse"

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 04:01 AM

Onward and upward, I say.
A toon for the cabal:

On the road to nowhere

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:36 AM

One of the problems many commentators have, but especially those on the left, is that they underestimate the significance of things that should not matter in the least, but do. So Rebecca will get less votes than Becky, Jess will get more votes than Jessica Rose, as Tony did than Anthony, Boris did than Alexander and probably Maggie did than Margaret would have.

It is mad, not doubt, but it is not insignificant.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:00 AM

PFR. You said you wanted someone from a proper working class background.

Rebecca Roseanne Long-Bailey[1] was born on 22 September 1979[2] in Old Trafford, Greater Manchester, to Irish parents.[3] Her father, Jimmy Long, was a Salford docker and a trade union representative at Shell, Barton Docks.[4] She attended Chester Catholic High School.[5]

She began her working life serving customers in a pawn shop, something she says "taught [her] more about the struggles of life than any degree or qualification ever could." She also worked in various call centres, a furniture factory, and in postal delivery before eventually studying to become a solicitor.[6]

Will that do?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 01:22 AM

Iains:

Sorry about confusing the source. Also about getting your name wrong. That was unintentional.

Yes it's a small number. But when you add the % mark you make your number 100 times smaller, so you're supposed to take out two of the zeros. As a portion of an electorate anyplace but India or China it doesn't seem much. As a dosage of cyanide, it might matter. Or benzine. Or radiation.

While it may not matter much for the purpose of this discussion, it's an indicator of attention to detail. As in, this guy might be a good cook, but he ain't no baker.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 10:14 PM

That something you allude to is the glue that binds the tory upper echelons together..
Shared boarding dorm experiences and memories that can be used against old school friends, rivals, and enemies
to blackmail each other into toeing the party line...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:54 PM

It's always Cumberdick Bendybatch in our house...

There something oddly appropriate about "bendy" in this current context...can't quite put my finger on it...not that I'd want to...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:34 PM

"Staines puppet!"

sorry.. just noticed too late.. but still can't resist..

"Cumsock stains puppet"....

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:28 PM

Out of fairness, and because I'm considerate of the sensitivities of other folks...

I'll amend it to the more tory all boys boarding school culture appropriate
"Dominic Cumbiscuit"...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:10 PM

God no. I noticed that. There are definite issues here...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:04 PM

He didn't like one of his man crushes being jokingly referred to as Dominic Cumsock... did he..

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:59 PM

His use of English language is getting ever more torturous and over convoluted...

Like a foreign propaganda bot churning it's cogs over limited variations of preprogrammed phrases and cliches
before it overheats and implodes.....

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:02 PM

Note his utter inability to respond to the very valid questions as to who he really is...typical. We have more than suspicions. Funny how the net can close in.... One or two hints have recently been dropped. Good job he has two buttocks. You need 'em so that you can shift uncomfortably from one to the other. Notable that he is rather nervily having a much later night than usual. Sweet dreams, Staines puppet!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 07:11 PM

Robomatic. I merely copied and pasted the erroneous data. It was our resident well educated educationalist wot got it rong. Quelle surprise!
The cabal all talk as though they have a viable opposition. To me this indicates numeracy is sadly lacking in their camp. You have to admit they are providing stunning entertainment. But when you look at their leader below, that they blindly follow, words fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--XmfUXsdyE

Looks like magic grandad believes in a scorched earth policy. A Carcrash in the commons does not begin to describe events at question time.
I doubt labour can ever recover from this.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:46 PM

I agree, but she has hardly helped Corbyn since he was elected. I'm not quite sure what she actually is.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:45 PM

“Shall there be womanly times? Or shall we die?” (Ian McEwan)

Just like Iains, Johnson is an arch-misogynist. He runs scared of strong-minded women. Why, even Bozo's girlfriend forced him to "get off me! " Blimey, even Jo Swinson made mincemeat of him in the Commons a few weeks ago. I suppose PMQ isn't really a game-changer, but what a contest it could be if Becky got her teeth into the unprepared silly posh sod. I can just see it...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:36 PM

My mrs can't stand Jess Philips..

I'm not over keen on her either..

But one thing I will say in her favour,
is she strikes me as a bit of a scrapper who will stand up to bullies...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:31 PM

Becky Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner tick most of your boxes, I reckon....