BS: US war with Iran begins

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jan 20 - 05:57 PM

I wish people would stop trying to sanitise the Solemeini incident by saying he was ‘taken out’. It wasn’t a high-school date, it was an assassination, murder in cold blood - why not call it what it was?

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 20 - 08:24 PM

You can't stop the euphemism, John. Despite all I've said, even robo is still saying "taken out." When I first met the adorable Mrs Steve, she accepted my proposal after having been taken out by me many times over a couple of years, OK, mostly to an East End pub that had been a frequent resort of the Krays (though also to the Bishop Bonner in Bethnal Green, to see Chas and Dave on many a Thursday before they got famous), but at least she can't deny that she'd been taken out...

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Jan 20 - 08:30 PM

I am taken 'aback' by the many words used to critique my words but none to remark on my assertions. I am not trying to euphemize that Solemeini was euthanized.

-oops-

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 20 - 08:46 PM

He was murdered. In the UK, that's what we call deliberately killing people outside the law, as happened here. It isn't hard. I've heard self-defence used as an excuse. Well, when you kill a bloke going to an airport, minding his own business, ten thousand miles away from your country but within his own territory (yes, I know it was his friendly neighbour), then self-defence sounds a bit thin. See my post about all those others who, by your standard, might justifiably have been "taken out..."

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Jan 20 - 10:22 PM

Meanwhile back in the world dealing with facts as well as the re-interpretation of them, there seems to be photographs of the two anti-aircraft missiles used by Iran to dispatch Ukrainian Flight PS752 down in flames.

Canadian PM Trudeau has just ventured forth the opinion that the airliner passengers would still be alive had all this not gone down, so he is going back along the chain of events to finesse the allocation of responsibility. I alluded to this back along the chain of messages in this thread. Not a surprise.

I just found a mouse 'murdered' in a trap in my foyer. Not sure to which court I have to plead my case... It probably was not responsible for as many allied deaths as Solemieni.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 20 - 02:47 AM

There would seem to be protests against the ayotollahs in Iran. Could exterminating the terrorist possibly lead to regime change?
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the drone strike it was relatively clean and surgical.
According to outside monitoring groups, by the end of his second term, President Obama had authorized 528 strikes with a death toll reaching somewhere between 380 and 801 civilians in Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen alone. And that’s believed to be a conservative estimate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._drone_strikes
Modern weaponry and warfare would seem to have outpaced the Geneva Convention on Warfare.
Whether the act was right or wrong the world is a better lave without the man

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 20 - 07:00 AM

Meanwhile back in the New World THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES has accused me of being a traitor. In fact all regesitered Democrats are being called traitors. Pelosi and Schumer are pictured in Irainian garb labeled terrorist sympathizers by the Press secretry who no longer gives press conferences.

Part of this is reminds me how Jews and Communists were portrayed in 1932 Germany. Likewise they thought Adolf was kidding at first

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mossback
Date: 15 Jan 20 - 11:07 AM

I just found a mouse 'murdered' in a trap in my foyer.

Did you really mean to come across as a total dickhead?

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jan 20 - 11:31 AM

From Merriam-Webster...

”Definition of murder (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought”

What does this have to do with mice?

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jan 20 - 05:48 PM

I've taken out the mouse.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jan 20 - 05:54 PM

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 20 - 07:02 PM

Off-topic, but it's to do with war. The film 1917. It's absolutely superb. Don't miss!

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jan 20 - 08:36 PM

Just saw it last night. Agree fully with Steve. Superbly executed, paced, cinematography, great score by Thomas Newman, not a criticism but it went easy on some of the mass horrors of the war. One of the main characters has survived The Somme, so it's transmitted in his behavior and actions. The real-time nature of this movie is rarely seen and takes an incredible amount of prep and coordination.

As a relatively ignorant Yank brought up by veterans of WWII I took the fact that there had been a WWI to be that it must have been a sort of 'warmup'. Only a few years ago the advent of a six part documentary series called "The Great War and the Shaping of the Twentieth Century" which set me right and was hugely informative.


Back to Iran. For those of us on the West side of the pond, Fresh Air is going to air an interview with someeone behind the fresh release of Iranian internal documents which inform the part Solemeini played in exercising Iranian policy in Iraq. It is apparently a shared story between an online site called The Intercept and The New York Times. I just heard this on the way over to the coffee shop. I'll be looking a the publications shortly, at least the NYT.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 20 - 06:30 AM

The General and Supream leader were best buds. If policy and their relationship went hand in glove would be good to know. So far Iran's response without the General has been quite measured and dispositive.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Jan 20 - 08:49 PM

You mean, aside from that little problem where they shot down Ukrainian Flight PS752 killing 176 civilians with no involvement in the case?

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jan 20 - 06:35 PM

And as for the idiot calling himself supreme leader of Persia???????

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mossback
Date: 17 Jan 20 - 07:00 PM

Not half so bad as the asshole calling himself "The Chosen One" and very stable genius supreme leader of the U.S.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Jan 20 - 08:50 PM

Really, Mossy?

Are you going for a statement (yet again) of how you dislike the Current Occupant, or are you really going to assert, like, in real world that a religious dictator who has no problem ordering the deaths of essentially unlimited numbers of people (not just ordering, they really die) is not nearly as bad?

'Cause that's going for broke. And makes you no less a 'winger' than the very sort of people you oppose.

It makes you a 'very stable' kneejerker, (assuming you really are going there?)

Also, forgive me but I don't know which side of the pond you're on, and maybe my lack of knowledge of where you're coming from is marring my judgment of where you wish to go.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 20 - 11:20 PM

Yeah I don't like titles either. Forget Ayatollah, Fuerher, President, Commander AND Chief. How about Supreme Shitbag, YOUR HEINOUS, Mr. or Ms Tie breaker.

Accidents happen. Iran has picked some scapegoats to punish already. I'm more pissed off about the deliberateness of flight 007 being shot down near Kamchatka with impunity.

Mossback is about polemics. At least thats where he parked his posting flag this week.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 05:05 AM

Raghead arsehole will do!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 07:07 AM

Unacceptable. Mods please.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 08:07 AM

I would say he was assassinated (killed unlawfully for holding a particular and influential position, not for, say, his money) rather then murdered (by, in my example, mugger or impatient heir).

But I also don't equate injured and wounded, which many do.

Don't trust dictionary definitions (literally? Really?)...

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 09:55 AM

I say it is acceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 03:16 PM

Oh you do, do you? Would like to put it in its correct place in the rank order of names we call foreigners who don't look like us? Wog? Nigger? Paki? Coon? Spade? Nip? Chinky? Abo? Gippo? Dago? Paddy?

Hopefully, a mod will see this post, find out what provoked it and take action.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 09:10 AM

Perhaps I should not started our objection to titles discussion.
A rose is a rose and if it is not, we know better.
Steve you left out 1N 2G's 1I E and R...

Ginger

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mossback
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 10:24 AM

President Donald Trump offered chilling details to GOP donors about the airstrike assassination of Iranian Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani on Jan. 2 — and a new reason for the hit: He was saying “bad things” about America.

“He was saying bad things about our country, like ‘we’re going to attack, we’re going to kill your people. “How much of this shit do we have to listen to?" Trump said.

The president didn’t mention any “imminent attack” planned by the military commander.

Obviously a perfect reason for multiple murders by TCO.

YOU TALKIN TA ME ????? BLAM!



PS: Murder's the same either side of the pond, Rob.

Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 04:17 PM

Mossback, those kind of defenses never work for spousal murder cases. Every country should issue a restraining order against Trump.
It won't prevent the crime but aids prosecution.