BS: New rules for the coming pandemic

Subject: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 04:21 PM

The spread of the human to human mutation of the Coronavirus has already put 33 million people on lockdown. Once infected there is a death rate of 1 in 3 (34 %).

Might I suggest relaxing Mudcat rules on posting to BS after the pandmic passes in 3 years.

There are currently no known antivirals or vaccines. Do not believe Trump> there are no connections to Mexican beer, in fact the disease began in snakes.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 04:25 PM

..there are no known cures or antivirals and vaccines to treat this strain, however its DNA genome has been sent to labs worldwide.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 04:40 PM

The BBC quotes 26 deaths from 830 confirmed cases. This is hardly a death rate of 1 in 3.
Please don't spread doom and despondency without some simple facts.
I accept that you may have misread the BBC pageHere which states:
How deadly is it?
Twenty-six people are known to have died from the virus - 3-4% of the known cases.
But the infection seems to take a while to kill, so more of those patients may yet die.

Note that that page says 3-4%, NOT 34%

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 06:10 PM

It has nothing to do with us Genomes. You can't even spell it right!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 07:05 PM

Nigel , without your knowing incubation time and spouting nonsense from your state news service you have drawn an ill informed conclusion.
This brand new mutated version does not obey the rules you have assumed. I thought I introduced the subject with appropriate levity.
Thats OK, I know the messenger is seldom believed.
In any disaster in the initial early stages, reported numbers are highly massaged.

You have a case in Scotland and Ireland already.

The new rules for locking down areas of China is unique and involves 20-35 million people during a holiday month. The Great Wall is closed along with all amusement parks, theatres etc.

Incubation is 5 days and will bloom starting this weekend.

Dave: Please disregard any warning containing a spelling error but please do not try to fly to WuHan province.

I suppose many Americans don't know that 8,000 have died from the common flu this season.
1 in 3 is not as bad as the Ebola death rate which has decreased this year.

Check the language from the CDC

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 02:56 AM

Apparently the median age for deaths is 75, so likely underlying conditions have an impact.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 03:52 AM

so likely underlying conditions have an impact.

So that's OK for the demographic of Folkies then?

Apparently the impact of the lock-down at Wuhan (8 Million) and neighbouring large cites is mostly all embracing, helped by the lunar new year. Maybe panic is the wrong approach, but serious caution is warranted. The Scottish cases hadn't been confirmed as the coronovirus as of last midnight (GMT), but the suspected cases were from Wuhan. And there are reckoned to be 2000 people being traced by UK authorities in connection. Some of who may have been in transit to other destinations.

Face masks are common in Wuhan right now.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 04:25 AM

So that's OK for the demographic of Folkies then?
I guess you never made top of the class for comprehension

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134957/

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 07:54 AM

From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 07:05 PM
Nigel , without your knowing incubation time and spouting nonsense from your state news service you have drawn an ill informed conclusion.
This brand new mutated version does not obey the rules you have assumed. I thought I introduced the subject with appropriate levity.
Thats OK, I know the messenger is seldom believed.
In any disaster in the initial early stages, reported numbers are highly massaged.

I'm guessing you have no facts to base your doom-mongering on, or else you would quote them.
I, at least, found a reputable website to quote. But, despite your comment, I have not formed a conclusion. You have stated that (this) Coronavirus has a death rate of 1 in 3. That is a conclusion, although you now state that there is not the information available to be able to reach such a conclusion.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 08:03 AM

Stiff Brit upper lip cheerio and all that. The only one I see in a panic is you Nigel.

What I see is a NOVEL situation.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 08:21 AM

We beat back SARS and this current response is even better, so there is plenty of room to be hopeful.
Easy now big fella.
With any viral outbreak there are several versions out there.
There are relative good ones and bad

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 12:48 PM

On the BBC News this evening they announced that all Coronavirus tests on suspected carriers among UK travellers have been negative, so there are no cases so far here.
But the situation in China looks dire, poor souls.

Husband asked if it might be dangerous to order goods from China online (he likes to buy clothes and trainers etc) but I told him that the virus can't live in a parcel, as it's transmitted in the air from person to person.
(Hope I'm right!)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 12:53 PM

'Experts are seeing shocking similarities between the coronavirus that has now spread beyond China and the SARS outbreak of 2003.

Like the infectious pneumonia that has killed at least 17 people, SARS was caused by a coronavirus that originated in China. But when one of the virologists who helped identify the SARS virus visited Wuhan, where this virus originated, he didn't see nearly enough being done to fight it. People were out at markets without masks, "preparing to ring in the New Year in peace and had no sense about the epidemic," Guan Yi of the University of Hong Kong's State Key Laboratory of Emerging Infectious Diseases told Caixin. Airports were hardly being disinfected, Guan continued, saying the local government hasn't "even been handing out quarantine guides to people who were leaving the city."

The city did disinfect the market where the virus has been traced to, but Guan criticized Wuhan for that, saying it hurts researchers' abilities to track down the virus's source. "I've never felt scared," Guan told Caixin. "This time I'm scared."'

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 12:57 PM

Sen - funnily enough, i was thinking most of the electrical things in our house
were made in China..

Better buy a few bottles of disinfectant to spray down the whole lot..

Can't be too careful with these sneaky foreign diseases...

They might have been lurking for years waiting for the activation signal
from their devilish Chinese communist overlord chappies...

Oh my god.. I just touched an uncleaned mouse and keyboard...!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 01:50 PM

Hee hee punkfolkrocker! I'd better not tell that to my husband, he'll freak out! He's bought no end of cheap Chinese tat online, as he loves clothes. He'll be going around in a hazmat suit with a sprayer!

Seriously though, it must be dreadful for the poor Chinese, rather like populations during the Great Plague, not knowing who will be struck down next. I do sincerely pity them.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 02:47 PM

I just read in the local news that two Bristol police stations were shut down
after a Chinese man who looked a bit unwell was arrested..

[Not joking..]

But later declared all clear...

This is how stupid xenophobic provincial panic is caused,
as no reason was given why he was arrested..
By now social media rumours must be circulating that any chinese looking person at large on the Streets of Bristol
must be reported to the police...!!!?????

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 02:58 PM

There are a couple of cases in the US, with thousands of people travelling here from China daily.

From the Washington Post

We’re past ‘if’ on the coronavirus. We’re on to ‘how bad will it be?’

Ronald A. Klain served as White House Ebola response coordinator from 2014 to 2015 and is an adviser to the Biden presidential campaign. Nicole Lurie served as assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services from 2009 to 2016.

With one confirmed case on U.S. soil, more likely already here and 8,000 visitors from China arriving every day, it is already too late to avoid multiple cases of the dangerous new coronavirus in the United States. We are past the “if” question and squarely facing the “how bad will it be” phase of the response.

Thus, President Trump failed his first test in dealing with the virus, by brashly asserting that the U.S. government has the coronavirus “completely under control.” While there is no reason to panic, we simply do not know, with China’s seventh-largest city under a lockdown, how serious it will become.

The good news is that there have been substantial improvements to global and U.S. public-health systems since the related SARS virus struck in 2003. U.S. infectious disease response systems were particularly improved after the West African Ebola epidemic of 2014. The new coronavirus’s gene was sequenced rapidly, and a test to diagnose the disease has already been developed. The World Health Organization — properly criticized for a flaccid response to the 2014 Ebola outbreak — is moving quickly: organizing a response and meeting urgently to determine if a Public Health Emergency of International Concern should be declared.
But if these are reasons to avoid the kind of fear that spread in our country during the “Ebola Autumn” of 2014, there are reasons for great concern as well. Some gaps in our disease response system were patched at that time, but serious holes remain and new ones have emerged. Policymakers need to move immediately to address four particular issues in light of the new infectious virus.

Chinese city at the center of coronavirus outbreak suspends travel

First, there needs to be leadership in the White House. President Barack Obama followed his designation of an “Ebola response coordinator” in October 2014 with a permanent office on pandemic preparedness and response in 2015. While Trump maintained this structure into 2018, John Bolton abolished it when he took over as national security adviser. With threats such as the new coronavirus requiring an “all of government” response — domestic and foreign; health and security agencies; federal, state and local authorities — someone needs to be in charge at the highest level of our government. Additionally, critical organizing structures throughout the executive branch that have been weakened in recent years — including the Public Health Emergency Medical Countermeasures Enterprise — need to be reinvigorated and empowered.

Second, Congress must change the way it funds epidemic responses. Congress did move on a bipartisan basis during the 2014 Ebola outbreak to fund the Obama administration’s response plan, but even that relatively prompt action created delays in vaccine development and on-the-ground response. When it comes to making a new vaccine to stop an epidemic, developing treatments or deploying other countermeasures, funding delays mean countless people are infected or die as a result.

Last year, Congress did beef up a fund that could be tapped by the president to respond to public-health emergencies without waiting for a specific funding bill. But these funds are limited, and Congress rejected proposals for a dedicated emerging infectious disease fund that could be used to further public-private partnerships to develop diagnostics, vaccines and treatments. These shortcomings should be addressed.

Third, Congress needs to fund the full network of hospitals and treatment facilities nationwide it established after the 2014 Ebola epidemic, which enables prompt testing and isolation of patients with deadly infectious diseases. This funding is set to expire in four months, and while Congress is moving on a plan to renew the 10 most advanced such facilities, that could leave scores of American cities without the kind of testing and treatment centers that could be critical in dealing with the new coronavirus or other future threats.

Finally, policymakers in all branches and at all levels of government must let science and the best medical expertise — incomplete as it is — govern the decisions that lie ahead. The first victim of an infectious disease outbreak is often rational decision-making; fear can spread even faster than disease in an era where social media can transmit misinformation in a manner not ironically called “going viral.” Xenophobia is a particular risk; it’s unjustified when Americans returning home from a foreign trip are just as likely to carry a disease with them as immigrants or foreign tourists. Our government is filled with the best scientists, medical professionals and researchers in the world. Their expertise — not fear or politics — should guide critical decisions.

The weeks ahead will be tense and challenging. But with the right leadership, adequate funding, key investments and scientifically led decision-making, lives can be saved and the risks and damage can be reduced.

I did a long cut and paste because a lot of people hit the Post's paywall when they try to follow links.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 03:02 PM

That's true. During the Ebola outbreaks abroad, people round here were a bit wary in case my husband was carrying it! (There was only one confirmed case in Ivory Coast, but of course he does travel on flights to Abidjan, and on board may be Africans from several countries)
As he's 'the only black man in the village'(apologies to Little Britain) I suppose it was natural for them to be a bit concerned.

All I do (to avoid catching flu etc) is to wash my hands thoroughly once I get home from an outing to the supermarket. One can't creep about in life being fearful of dying of some awful disease.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 04:18 PM

China may have been lax in prevention controls for about 30 days.(since Dec.4)
They now have hospitals full beyond capacity in the Wuhan vicinity.
The extraordinary precautions are good for everyone.

CDC is ahead of the curve, but airplanes are some of the best viral incubators we have ever invented with recycled limited air.
We should hire PFR to clean airplanes or take certain planes out of service.

A worst case scenario is no more likely than a virus mutating back out of a contagious state and becoming benign in humans. So basically the only anxiety is 'not knowing' where we are going which happens everyday anyway.

Senafou is right, but out an abundance of caution do not lick packages, do not eat packages and do not have sex with packages from Wuhan China. ;^/

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 04:38 PM

.. and don't watch kung fu movies until further notice..

Unless they are made in America with American actors...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 07:01 PM

I just remember the panic that the Replicants tried to start during the last (Obama) administration when Ebola hit some
African countries. Existing somewhat primitive clinics were overrun and medical staff without protective clothing were getting sick and dying. The U.S. administration sent professionals with supplies fairly quickly and with the help of the international communicty, got it under control. Some sick Americans came to America and one rightist politician after another tried to either impede their getting home or getting to a safe harbor while blaming Obam for putting the nation at risk. I believe Chris Christie was among them.

Now there is a vaccine for Ebola.

As for coronavirus. If it makes Don'l happy to posit a coming disaster in his continuing voyage through the glory of his omniscience, let him play in the thread some more. Don't confuse him with facts or pollute his threaditudenosity with rationality. You are not wanted.

Meanwhile the mainland Chinese seem to be utilizing their one-party power of the state to put millions of potential victims into an isolation ward. Kind of like if Stalin had used his power for good, maybe. Or wanted to look like it.

That same power has also isolated millions of Chinese Muslims and one hope they are not going to experiment on them. Not that they will, but they could... That's what One Party power is all about.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 07:13 PM

I've at least tried to encourage citizens of Hong Kong to accept that they are Chinese (British imperialism was evil) and fight to make all of China a better place/help get rid of the Chinese Capitalist Party.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 09:18 PM

wV:

Why on earth should the HK Chinese take you seriously? I have no idea what you are trying to say. In my experience Hong Kong was a source of strong anti-Taiwanese sentiment. Now they are giving major indigestion to the dictates of people who they have not elected. Maybe they found something valuable in the English experience. How DARE they!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 10:09 PM

The Lunatic Fringe has been heard from, robomatic. Nothing to see there.

There were several cases of ebola in the Dallas area during that big outbreak in the last decade. An African man who travelled to the Dallas area was ill and doctor who had been in Africa came home to be treated. Two nurses treating the African man were infected (due to failure of their protective clothing). It got a bit weird here, and at one point there was a big fuss when someone wanted to put down the nurse's dog because they were afraid of germs. It was a simple matter to quarantine the dog for a couple of weeks. Lots of household possessions were burned, rugs ripped out, etc. I don't know if all of that was necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 10:21 PM

Oh my God! I just had dinner in an Oriental restaurant! I'm gonna die! I'm gonna die!

Come to think of it, Steve Chang hasn't been home to Cambodia in years. Maybe I'm safe.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 10:28 PM

Doctor approved wear for the pandemic.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 04:41 AM

Robo and SRS: BA Degree in Humanities (majoring in anthropology), higher certificate in management, trade certificate, etc., and travel on a shoe-string through about 40 countries, including a stop-over in Honk Kong, China, last December.

From that visit, where as I wanted dim sum and Chinese opera, most younger folk there want French restaurants and ballet or jazz funk and hip-hop.

The "Chinese Communist Party" is now a capitalist party, allowing not just millionaires but billionaires.

If you reflect back to the protests, many were wielding American and UK flags so, as I say, F2F and through social media, "I've at least tried to encourage citizens of Hong Kong (or those who see themselves that separate way) to accept that they are Chinese (British imperialism was evil) and fight to make all of China a better place/help get rid of the Chinese Capitalist Party."

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 09:29 AM

BA Degree in Humanities (majoring in anthropology), higher certificate in management, trade certificate, etc., and travel on a shoe-string through about 40 countries, including a stop-over in Honk Kong, China, last December.

I'm so impressed I could just shit. I assume you're a Very Stable Genius into the bargain?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 09:34 AM

Walkabouts not saying I agree but you helped me understand. Thank you for that. More later mebbe.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 10:13 AM

Stable enough to know I'm not currently winning, Mossback:

Since "Repatriating - Australia to England" in 1997, there has been record amounts of the opposite - economic/CAPITALIST immigration - in both countries...and, sadly, record amounts of terrorism in both countries.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 11:15 AM

It's the self-promotion and bad poetry that is as off-putting as the weird political views. A package deal. And the hubris of suggesting that from your position you can (or should) teach the people of Hong Kong anything that really galls. Reverse-colonization? If you can't be British you'd better go back to being Chinese?

There was a National Public Radio story from Snohomish County, Washington to do with a case of the coronavirus (no transcript yet as I post this).

"Seattle-area health providers monitoring the first confirmed U.S. cases of coronavirus say they're equipped to handle the contagious disease after last year's wave of measles."

The antivaxxers seem to have set up conditions so that healthcare providers responding to the recent measles outbreak in unvaccinated children were ready for the coronavirus as well.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 11:56 AM

"If you can't be British you'd better go back to being Chinese?" (SRS)...pretty much what Gandhi advocated upon repatriating from South Africa to south Asia; as we type, maybe there is a HK Chinese about to repatriate and make a good difference..?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 01:22 PM

I had a very dear friend when I was at Edinburgh University, called Betty Ko. She was from Hong Kong, and her family had fled from Canton.
Her father was a wealthy businessman, and after being established in Hong Kong he sent his two daughters to UK to be educated in a Catholic boarding school.
Betty was delightful, and taught me Cantonese. She explained how dangerous it had been for them all, and both she and her sister Susan (another one, I seem to collect Susans!) eventually graduated in Mathematics, Susan from London University.
I do feel they would all have been killed or incarcerated in a frightful Chinese Gulag type of place if they hadn't fled.
Sadly I lost touch with her, but I often think of the Ko family, and hope all went well for them in life.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 01:28 PM

Maybe they safely repatriated, Senoufou - certainly a beautiful part of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 02:50 PM

I do hope wherever they are they are flourishing, WalkaboutsVerse. Betty's Chinese name meant 'There is a fairy in the moon'!! Isn't that lovely? (Most Hong Kong people have an English name as well as a Chinese one)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 03:00 PM

Agreed - and increasingly Chinese in other areas or China, too, it seems.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 05:36 PM

I guess you never made top of the class for comprehension

I guess you never even made the class for clarity.
Dunning-Kruger applies.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 06:52 PM

You can't blame us for the cognitive bias of illusory superiority that comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability.
You may as well expect a fish to know the geography of Everest.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 07:01 PM

/Chomolungma

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 06:01 AM

I did not know that :^?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:06 AM

Corrections;
the incubation period is 5 to 15 days
The 3-4% mortality rate is dominant over the worst possible strain
however this is 3 times as deadly as the flu.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:15 AM

Ah, so you now accept that it is a 3-4% mortality rate, not the 1 in 3 that you originally claimed.
Better late than never.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 08:43 AM

For not being omnicient, your pound of flesh is in the mail.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 12:58 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-outbreakchinese-live-animal-markets-recipe-disaster/

why can't they eat proper grub from supermarkets and fast food takeaways...???

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:00 PM

I just had an interesting conversation with a fellow American who emigrated from Vietnam. He is of the opinion that the world has benefitted greatly from English cultural (colonial?) influence and currently from what is effectively pax Americana whether the U.S. is trying to do this or not is a separate issue. The fact of the U.S. being large and relatively just is what makes the world work in his opinion. This comes with a healthy credit to the Judeo-Christian religion which for him provides an ethical basis not found in the eastern religions. He would rather have American/ English unitary cultural influencee over other smaller world countries than Indian/ Chinese/ gulp Russian.

I agree with much but not all of what I'm synopsizing above. If I weighed in personally I would make this conditional on multiple levels and it would be ten times as long as it is. I did have an Indian roommate in school who made no bones about the fact that India would not be a united nation if it hadn't been for the English.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:08 PM

What makes this brand new corona virus so contagious is that it can infect others -before- symptoms appear.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:10 PM

"why can't they eat proper grub from supermarkets and fast food takeaways...???"

Reminds of Billy Connolly ridiculing trawlermen for going out in dangerous, stormy conditions by asking why they don't just go to the fish shop like everybody else...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:26 PM

see my errmmm.. intentional clever crossover in the Bertie Russell thread...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:28 PM

ahem.. this one...

Back in the late 80s - same time as when I drank frequently in Barking pubs..
I was having a few months fling with an older woman from Hong Kong,
she was a daughter of a high up affluent Hong kong family..

On the subject of Chinese eating weird stuff,
she said her old dad was reputed to impress his posh rich business chums
by providing meals of live monkey brains...

[illegal then, if I recall right..]

Never knew whether that was true, or she was just playing up to oriental stereotypes to have a laugh..

But she did know the best Chinatown restaurants to take me out to...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:30 PM

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2231453-new-coronavirus-may-be-much-more-contagious-than-initially-thought/?utm_campaign=on