BS: New rules for the coming pandemic

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 06:07 PM

You say that but it's in sub-Saharan Africa.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 06:18 PM

Yes, an Italian brought it into Nigeria. I feel that if it took a hold in the poorer African countries, there's be utter carnage, as medical facilities and basic care are negligible.
Sadly I can't see it avoiding Africa as there will be travellers passing in and out, and the major cities there are thronged with people out in the streets. Hygiene is pretty poor anyway, and many of the people are not in perfect health.
Same applies to India I expect.
My husband is very worried for his huge family in Abidjan.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 06:48 PM

The Pope presided over ash wednesday and now has a bad cold.
His events are canceled next week.

He should visit Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 07:34 PM

The Japanese March Sumo Wrestling Tournament
is under consideration for postponement/cancellation..

What'll we do for 15 evenings...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 09:28 PM

I saw some news footage of the Pope and a small child held up by its parents to greet him.

That's exactly what I thought of when I saw it. He is risking his health.

I have also thought that your Trumpty-Dumpty might pick it up from his visit to Asia.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 03:37 AM

”I have also thought that your Trumpty-Dumpty might pick it up from his visit to Asia.”

We can but hope, Helen - fingers and toes crossed! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 05:37 AM

I would never wish ill-health on anybody, but if someone I don't like, Trump for example, got ill I'd be inclined to wish them an exceptionally gradual recovery...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 05:51 AM

Some people are beyond redemption or any kind of empathy, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 07:08 AM

Yes, there are a couple posting above.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 08:15 AM

Not that want this to spiral in to xenophbia & accusations thereof but:

I heard on the BBC news just that Turkey had stated it was opening its borders to migrants seeking to get to Europe.

Given that there is barely enough governance in Syria and Iran has recorded COVID-19 this is clearly a vector that will have a very poor audit trail.

Have a happy Leap Day!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 01:13 PM

Not that I want this thread to degenerate into recriminations and accusations, I saw Inane pick his nose and wipe it on a Daily Mail magazine rack and Mr. Ted plunged his bare dirty hands into a bin of bulk licorice candy at the store.

New rules people, com'on

Watch and revise your own habits.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 01:29 PM

Not that I want this thread to degenerate into recriminations and accusations,
So why so post insults? You offer an extremely fertile field for retaliation should one have the inclination.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 01:46 PM

Changing the subject back to the actual subject..

[howzat for thread drift...!!!???]

Headlines are emerging about infected people passing the virus to their pets...

..basically it seems worldwide govt strategies to limit routes of infection are f@cked...??????????

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 02:03 PM

And now, a death in the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 05:53 PM

My wife's boss

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 06:30 PM

and NO he did not knuckle under like reports suggest.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 08:01 PM

Wow. an actual death in the USA. Well that should focus your minds. 3000 have died in foreign countries, chaps. But at least they weren't Americans, eh? Reminds me of those spoof headlines we sometimes see that aren't actually far from the truth, "Two Britons and 288 foreigners killed in plane crash," or "Fog in English Channel: continent cut off..."

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 04:20 AM

a bin of bulk licorice candy at the store.

Yea I was going to point out that a UK store (Wilko) that has taken the dead mantle shed by the demise of Woolworths UK and with it the most iconic brand to its bosom.

Pick 'n Mix Sweets

How's that for spreading viruses from kiddies mitts?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 05:04 AM

Quite amusing to hear of Americans losing their shit over one Coronavirus death, while the average of 55 shooting-deaths per day that’s gone on for years and years passes straight over their gun-nut heads.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 05:17 AM

Based on the World Health Organization’s declaration that this is a public health emergency of international concern, the UK Chief Medical Officers have raised the risk to the UK from low to moderate.(29th Feb.)10,483 people have been tested in the UK, of which 10,460 were confirmed negative and 23 positive.

France, with 42 cases, bans gatherings of more than 5,000 due to coronavirus (Reuters)

I wonder when the supermarkets start having panic buying?(apart from Oz, where allegedly it is already happening)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 05:42 AM

Demise by despair (drugs, guns and suicide) is a catastrophe and is endemic in the US. Portugal has better numbers and policies than the US. The UK has better numbers and policies over guns . Numbers change when people change.

I hear the malevalence in the written voices of some Brits expressing a deep seated predjudice against Aericans/yanks losing their shit. Perhaps in vino veritas. Alcohol changes voices on a Saturday night.
So be it.

Mr. Red, my point is that as individuals we can only change ouselves. I have no say over Turkey. Thanks for being level headed.

For those who want revenge or blame or punative satisfaction, think twice, cooler heads often prevail.

If any/all of us get sick it is better sooner than later, while hospitals are not overwhelmed if needed.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 06:10 AM

Backwoodsman doesn't drink and it ill-behoves you to make assumptions about anyone's posts being alcohol-fuelled unless you're sat next to them seeing them drinking or unless they tell you that they're drinking. You're a disgrace, aren't you.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 06:26 AM

If France has banned large crowds with 43 cases of the lurgy perhaps the UK with only half the number should ban small crowds as well.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 06:29 AM

”I hear the malevalence in the written voices of some Brits expressing a deep seated predjudice against Aericans/yanks losing their shit. Perhaps in vino veritas. Alcohol changes voices on a Saturday night.
So be it.”

Alcohol doesn’t change my voice on a Saturday night or, for that matter, at any time. I haven’t consumed alcohol since 21st December, 2005 - not a single mouthful.

The USA has an ongoing epidemic of deaths by shooting. Only a fool would try to deny that fact.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 09:00 AM

From: Donuel - PM
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 05:42 AM

Demise by despair (drugs, guns and suicide) is a catastrophe and is endemic in the US. Portugal has better numbers and policies than the US. The UK has better numbers and policies over guns . Numbers change when people change.

Leave it to say Backwoodsman, we are amused at different things.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 10:19 AM

Upon reading this thead twice I found that I said the same thing as Backwoodsman, "there are worse things than Covid 19 like mass shootings..." but his way of saying it was pointed to the point of breaking the skin of nationality. These are the days of going over the top, quick to anger and slow to forgive. Still there is more wisdom here than other places on the internet that goes straight to death threats at the drop of a hat.

So far I have found that correcting normal behavior of the past to the brave new world of pandemic changes, has been met with mixed results. I have seen no obvious changes in supplies. The recession is too far ahead to see at this time.

An eventual vaccine will be memorable. I remember the line for the polio vaccine went outside the school for a quarter mile.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 10:48 AM

Social distancing will be a coming source of more disputes if one is even slightly bumped. A resulting fist fight will be judged too costly by both parties.

So far Iran has the worst outbreak. It does make one go to conspiracies sadly.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 10:59 AM

"Panic buying", or at least "laying in supplies" has already started.
Yesterday I went to Tesco and bought two slabs of beer and three of cider.
Of course, my purchases weren't based on any virus, but Wales introduces a new 50p per unit (of alcohol) minimum pricing tomorrow ;)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 11:24 AM

Coronavirus: 12 more cases confirmed in UK, taking total in Britain to 35 – latest updates from the gruniard - presumably not everything they print is false news.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 11:38 AM

that was my guess before I went to bed..
probably nearer 70 - 100 tomorrow...???

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 11:48 AM

”Yesterday I went to Tesco and bought two slabs of beer and three of cider.”

Is beer in slabs a Cardiff thing? Everywhere else I know, beer comes in bottles, cans, or draught.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 12:15 PM

Slabs of Welsh beer are hewn from underground beer seams..
Tiles of lighter ales are hacked out from beer quarries...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 12:23 PM

LOL pfr! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 12:31 PM

A 'slab' is a colloquial term for a flat package of canned beers (usually 24, but sometimes fewer).
I hadn't realised that the term was unknown elsewhere (if that is the 'case').

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 12:41 PM

My mrs is a valleys girl.. I'll ask her...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 12:42 PM

Well it’s unknown to me, and I’ve never heard it referred as such to in my part of The Backwoods. But I’m not a boozer, so....

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 12:53 PM

I asked her..
Nope, she's not familiar with it either.
So she googled, and it turns out to be an Aussie slang import..

Over here slabs will be more associated with the older morbid meaning
as the pandemic spreads further...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:01 PM

Hahahaa! Reminds me of the jam butty mines of Knotty Ash!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:03 PM

I see Verhoftwat is worried that Erdogan has allowed numerous refugees to escape into Europe. Will this include Isis carrying the corona 19 virus?

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/US-military-in-Iraq-and-Middle-East-prepare-for-coronavirus-threat-618769


https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/counterterrorism/isis-lauds-death-and-terror-of-coronavirus-oubreak/
and for the tin hat conspiracy theorists
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-intel-agencies-warned-rising-risk-outbreak-coronavirus-n1144891

Just as well we kept out of the Schengen area This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,

The remainiacs would have left us with wide open borders, but eventually, after 3.5 years of strife, we regained our sovereignty.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:18 PM

Iains - see my post


Date: 26 Feb 20 - 12:18 PM

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:18 PM

CORONOVIRUS SYMPTOMS

Fever
Tiredness
Dry cough
Mild aches and pains
Nasal congestion
Runny nose
Sore throat
Diarrhea




The US has the unique added problem of the right/Trump saying the left and media have weaponized the virus which causes a special psychological association and demonizing ones nejghbor.

If you get it early the symptoms won't wipe you out as a rule but the small chance of severe complicatios is 20 times more likely than the flu. One a 1-10 scale a 2 would not include fever or chills or aches .
Some of us won't personally know anyone who died except for celebrities.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:42 PM

Bugger it.. just as I feared.. coughs and diarrhea at the same time...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:43 PM

PFR - as I enjoy watching NHK World, I can give you an update on your beloeved Sumo: the next big tournament is to be held but without an audience and, if any contestant fails a test, they will cancel the whole event.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:48 PM

For northern Italy on Feb 21 the number of confirmed cases was 17. Yesterday it was 1,128, with 29 possible virus-linked deaths.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-29/italy-s-total-known-coronavirus-infections-top-1-000-cases

This perfectly illustrates the problem for governments. A number of horses must be allowed to bolt before public opinion allows the stable door to be bolted. This is a judgement call almost certain to be proved too late.
We shall see.
From the wall street journal a week ago:
"Schools are closed and gatherings are banned as Italy reports a sixth virus-related death"

One disconcerting fact that has come to light is that a person who is asymptomatic may be shedding the virus and could make others ill. How often asymptomatic transmission is occurring is unclear.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 02:10 PM

Walky - I checked NHK app a day or two ago
and couldn't find any mention..

The audience is as much a part of the fun as the wrestling..

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 02:41 PM

...it's on Sky channel 507, where they have some excellent documentaries, as well as periodic news bulletins and today they mentioned as above on Sumo.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 03:03 PM

Slabs of beer are a very common animal downunder. Well it is here in the coal mining area historically populated by Welsh miners, but I think all Aussie males consume - or at least know what about - a slab of beer.

There has been excellent media coverage in Australia by the national ABC News - that's Australian ABC, not American.

One of the key points being emphasised is that the people who have died from COVID19 had prior health issues. This was the same with the SARS virus.

I have seen no panic buying here, and I have heard nothing about it in the media. I have seen no face masks here in Newcastle, although they may be being used in capital cities, and probably at airports etc.

Our first death was reported yesterday. It was a man who had been on the Diamond Princess cruise which was quarantined in Japan last month.

John Donne:

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind;
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

Coincidentally, I just finished reading a book by Major Edward Dames and in one chapter he was writing about biological warfare allegedly conducted by Russia. He stated his opinion that if Russia wanted to start a war against China it would have more chance with biological warfare than by simply sending in armies. Interesting that both SARS and COVID19 started in China. (Please note, I took a lot of what Major Dames said with a good dose of healthy analytical and balanced scepticism.)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 03:05 PM

Sorry, typo: it should have read "but I think all Aussie males consume - or at least know about - a slab of beer."

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 03:19 PM

Walky - yeah, I know, that sky channel is one of our favourites..
because of the two monthly sumo tournaments...

Fascinating nation, with more than it's fair share of disasters...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 04:09 PM

My sister has just told me that the government is going to ask retired doctors who are trained in pulmonary procedures etc to come forward, don a Hazmat suit and do 24 hour shifts at their local hospital if/when the 'pandemic' strikes. She's a retired anaesthetist, so will be much in demand for this work, but it will be very tiring for her.

Also, her local church is considering not offering the chalice around during Communion, as most of the communicants are elderly and vulnerable.