BS: conversation with bertrand russell

Subject: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 03:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb3k6tB-Or8

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 05:59 AM

Why?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 07:10 AM

OK Dick - I listened to it and I will ask a slightly different question.

Why now? Is there some significant event or development that makes an interview from 1952 particularly relevant to today?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 07:24 AM

Plenty of prescience. I find it interesting to contemplate which of his predictions came true, or are coming true, and to what extent. He was understandably off-beam in his prediction about food supply and the way he expressed certain things was, shall we say, of its time (lumping "Asia" into one, and talking about "the white man" for example), but overall he had a message of hope for humanity and he is impossible to pigeon-hole. His views on education were thoughtful if somewhat conservative. One view that I know he held but which didn't surface in the interview was that only the best people should become teachers, and that as such they should be severely left alone to decide how to do their jobs. He would be appalled at the way that education has become such a political football and I think he would be a vehement opponent of Ofsted. I like him.

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 11:21 AM

why not now? why not anytime

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 12:39 PM

It all seems a bit random to pluck a subject out of the air and then post a link to it without comment. If you feel that it is a good subject for discussion, then why not start the ball rolling by expressing an opinion?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 01:03 PM

Now is precisely the time to be reminded that there used to be
consistently high quality deep thinkers and orators...

If Bert were still alive today he'd barely be allowed 10 seconds to answer a question
before being talked over and rudely interrupted and derailed by a crass TV interviewer...

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 01:04 PM

i wanted to share the thought of an intelligent man. there are plenty of people expresing their opinions on this forum some of them have been exposed as ignorant loud mouths. lord russell has interesting things to say , i am glad Steve enjoyed the clip

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 02:12 PM

I clicked it straight away, demurred when I saw it was half an hour, gave it a whirl and ended up watching the whole thing. A man you have to listen to. Not a man to listen to if you want your biases confirmed. I like that.

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 02:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpohrKaos2o another interview

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 03:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZv3pSaLtY and another

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 03:30 PM

My raison d'etre was brought up in this question answer snippet.
Mass Psychology and Physics are disciplines far more suited to this generation than Philosophy.

Who could disagree with Russell's opinion about WW I?
Population?
Democracy?
Open mind vs. pious purity


This link
pertains to why my succinct posts rarely deal with WHY in this public forum

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 03:36 PM

If it's any consolation, Dick,
you are not being single out here.
I too have opened threads with a post
that contained a link, and nothing more.
And those posts were always challenged by someone.

Because I'm a slow learner, it took me a while to catch on
and more than one thread was opened with such a post from me.
Today I try to remember and do better.
I understand it as a courtesy.

Subject: RE: BS: conversqtion with bertrand rusell
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 03:59 PM

keboroxu, i would rather let lord russell speak for himself. let people listen and come to their own conclusions

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with Bertrand Rusell
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 07:24 PM

How and why we communicate are our own concerns. If one can not see the relevence and connections made by a word, link, music or visual art, it is not the respondsibility of the communicator to explain the whole of knowledge in this civilization and beyond to the the 'communicatee'.

That is the honourable job of teachers, so we can share common truths as a foundation to our mutual understandings.

Some people here demand a link to support all communication.
As if your thoughts or facts are not valid without a 'like' thought elsewhere. That kind of demand casts the shadow of distrust and likelihood the author of a post intends harm.

Unique initial thoughts/invention do happen but in the lense of history they usually come in twos. For example the invention of calculus by...
there I go again, mansplaining

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 03:47 AM

I've heard and read of Bertrand Russell since I was in high school, but I've never seen a video of him. This is terrific.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 04:53 AM

When I was 21, I reluctantly questioned if I should drop back into into full time education,
after a three year "gap year"..

[our band had just signed to a record company, but was disintegrating; and I was stuck in a lousy day job...]

So I bought myself a bloody huge heavy paperback Bertrand Russell book,
just to try getting my brain kick started back out of the punkrock'n'roll life style..

I must have slowly read all of it cover to cover,
becoming sufficiently inspired to end up being accepted on a Humanities degree,
where I met my future mrs...

cheers Bertie...

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 05:16 AM

Berties grandpa lived in Napoleonic times. My great grandpa had to deal with Napolean.

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 01:11 PM

Bert's dog Jack
was an eminent canine philosopher..
But as he couldn't hold a pen, type, or dictate to a secretary,
his wisdom has been lost forever
due to there being no surviving mutts
who attended his lectures...

unless.. you have old amateur recordings stored away in your kennels...???

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 05:20 PM

punkfolkrocker are you from barking

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 05:29 PM

No, but I used to drink in the Spotty Dog pub by the station...

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 05:31 PM

There used to be a fair bit of brainy pub philosophising
in the corner of the downstairs bar...

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 06:57 PM

"punkfolkrocker are you from barking"

What do you mean, Dick, "from"? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:23 PM

Back in the late 80s - same time as when I drank frequently in Barking pubs..
I was having a few months fling with an older woman from Hong Kong,
she was a daughter of a high up affluent Hong kong family..

On the subject of Chinese eating weird stuff,
she said her old dad was reputed to impress his posh rich business chums
by providing meals of live monkey brains...

[illegal then, if I recall right..]

Never knew whether that was true, or she was just playing up to oriental stereotypes to have a laugh..

But she did know the best Chinatown restaurants to take me out to...

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:24 PM

errmmm.. intentionally clever crossover with the China virus thread..

Of course I'm not sleepy and confused...

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 08:33 PM

Now to crossover and mash up every thread down here.
Should you choose to accept this mission...

I'll be watching Feynman on youtube

Subject: RE: BS: conversation with bertrand russell
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 08:49 PM

Crossovers - That's the thing I bloody hate about Marvel movies and comics...