BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 01:56 PM

jargon...!!!???

I'm a lifelong supporter of the aims of The Plain English Campaign...

The only dodgy possibly pretentious elitist word I used was "plethora"...???

That word might be to bigly for your president,
but I do give my yank mudcat mates more credit for brainlyness...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 01:34 PM

Eschew obfuscation! No, I liked your post, but it sure was a flourish of jargon, pfr!

I am heartened by the so-far lack of response by anyone with actual power to overturn the election results... The Supreme Court is not overturning Obamacare, other courts are tossing baseless Republican lawsuits, and so on.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 11:21 AM

Bit of GOP corruption that I expect will go uninvestigated by the Turnip's team.

In summary -

A Pennsylvania postal worker has admitted he made up claims of electoral fraud in the battleground state, according to reports.

The case had been cited by Republicans as evidence of widespread ballot tampering and GOP donors had even given $136,000 to the whistleblower

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 08:42 AM

There's no logical reason why it should take significantly longer to count the votes in a big election than in a small one. There are a lot more people voting, true enough, but there are a lot more people counting the votes. Adding up the separate counts could be a matter of minutes.

As for absentee votes there is no reason that should delay things more than a few days. If the votes come in later than the deadline, tough luck, they've missed the bus.

There's also the fact that US elections involve a lot more things than just the President, and they have these massive voting forms to confuse people but there's no reason to count all these at the same time. The vote for the dogcatcher and the rest of the list can wait.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 07:56 AM

Sounds like the US needs to get its Electoral-Process act together. It’s a dysfunctional dog’s breakfast in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 07:52 AM

Many of the rules were made when people and information moved at the speed of horseback.
In the case of absentee votes, some are still being counted.
Mail in ballots placed new pressures in this time of pandemic.
Every state has its own process and rules.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 07:26 AM

What I don't understand is why in the USA they don't just count the votes and then announce the result when that's done, instead of leaking the numbers bit by bit. That's the way it's done in most countries, so far as I'm aware. Estimates of how an election is going may get made by the media in the meantime, but they only have the status of predictions.

And why mess around with an extended Lame Duck period (which with Donald is going to be more of a Mad Duck period). It'd be perfectly possible for most of the transitional handover to be done on a provisional basis in advance of the election, and to have an immediate handover when the result of the election is declared.

"The King is Dead. Long Live the King." That's a pretty tried and tested way of managing these things.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 07:04 PM

Probably similar to the Oz perspective, too.

Clever and funny and true, pfr! :-D

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 06:13 PM

Sugar in the gas tank, sand in the gears
gum up all the works, for years and years
The brat wants sweet revenge, for losing face.
Its not his fault, should he lose one race.
All his 2 faced friends, agree he won.
Pretending that he's right, is kinda fun.
He's the kid who steals, the trophy fees.
He eats choc'late cake, an' drinks kofefe.
he grabs the puss, an' likes his pee pee.
I know for you and me, he's really creepy.
The US like the Vatican, has 2 Popes.
One to get things done, the other's just a dope.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 05:03 PM

A British perspective

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 03:00 PM

I fully expect a smooth transition from Republican President to inmate.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:31 AM

Thats English Hari Kari? Trump is too cowardly. Who knows, he may not end up in prison. He should at the bare minimum be forced to walk the 'ramp'.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:29 AM

Jeri - Blame it on my 1960s/70s free high quality state education.

Since then, British tory governments have realized the error
of properly educating working class children..

Hence Brexit and the rise of right wing populism...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:20 AM

In the old days,
a gentleman in trump's position
would retire to his office with a brandy, a cigar,
and a revolver loaded with a single bullet...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:20 AM

Punky, the size didn't matter, it was the alliteration, methinks. (I HOPE, anyway.)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:09 AM

Mike Pense is standing back but he is not standing by.
HE WENT ON VACATION.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:49 AM

What...????????

me sorry me write too big brainy English words..

Me must learn to write little word English for American readers..

..like "ass" and "guns"....

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:25 AM

Why after is because before is different.

Punkfolkrocker, I would love to play you at Poetry for Neanderthals, where all clues must be words of one syllable or the other team gets to whack you with an inflatable No stick. I mean, a stick you blow up.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 07:23 AM

Thats a good question, I can only guess it would go to the state legislature.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 06:54 AM

(I realise of course if the run off is strictly limited to the two candidates- no write-ins etc - a draw is almost impossible, but I don't know is the run off is that restricted)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 06:45 AM

Re the run off for the two Senate seats in Georgia. This was because no one got 50% or above.

What happens if after the rerun on 5rh January they still don't? Does who get most win, or does the Senate run two seats short? If so, Biden effectively controls the Senate and can get his appointments through, at least until those two seats are filled.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 08:48 PM

The hateful right is seeding a plethora of populist youtube superhero movie/comics channels for children,
with pernicious propaganda,
in a determined strategy to normalise and indoctrinate intolerance...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 07:03 PM

Looking at how long it takes to go from tolerence of your neighbor to participating in an actual holocaust against your neighbor takes an average of 10 years more or less based on all the examples since the 1st century. In Germany it took longer than it did in Rawanda.
The crucial step is eliminationist rhetoric. Google it and see what you have been hearing for 16 years already in the USA.

The best medicine is education so you know what and who is up to the worst that mankind is prone to do.

Someday a competant ethnic purity advocate can seduce average Americans to the dark side. Vigilence is never ending.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 06:27 PM

A journalist interview of several Alaskans just caught my eye; they are talking about how long it takes to tally the votes in the state of Alaska at every election. The catch is that so many votes are mailed in, that the date of the postmark has to be part of the requirements. Although Alaska has begun to count the votes, it is estimated that only half of the votes have been counted at this point ... (Associated Press)

Ebbie, any opinions?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 04:53 PM

why after?


Assasination although ever present is a rhetorical bridge too far. Last time the right cleaned house for 3 generations by getting JFK, MLK and RFK.

Spent all afternoon studying medieval Spanish history contrasting the tolerent and intolerent regiemes be they Islam or Christian. Jews always got the short stick from the other 2 religions.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 04:17 PM

My understanding is that if Biden dies before inauguration, Harris is it, and if she dies too, then the Speaker. But I think that is if they die *after* the electors elect.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:37 PM

So what happens if trump death squads successfully assassinate Biden and Harris
before they get to take over in the Whitehouse...???

Is it still a firm win for the Democrat Party and any successors they nominate..?????

[when I studied politics at college over 40 years ago,
even our lecturer struggled to understand how USA government works...]

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:19 PM

I am a bit worried that some gun nut might see himself as a "have a go hero", or a self-proclaimed evangelist on a "holy mission".

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 12:33 PM

IN REALITY (I never liked that phrase when followed by the lie de jour) The Trump presidency began by GOING DOWN his gilded escalator
and ended with his lawyer Rudy yelling in front of a sex shop and crematorium that "Biden stole the election". It is a short 2 mile trip down that same strip mall road to the Pennsylvania State Prison - no kidding.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 12:23 PM

trump needs to be reminded of the squalid fate of Nicolae Ceau?escu,
and so many other recently deposed dictators..

Even he must surely be aware of how it all ended for Julius Caesar...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 11:55 AM

Hitler lost his first election getting only 30%. Trump lost by several %.

POST CAMPAIGN RALLYS (the 1st of their kind) are planned and guns are not disallowed in certain areas. Trump may not be satisfied without blood being spilled like an unstable child seeking revenge. He would also possibly create Trump martyrs for his base as a fringe benefit for his domestic call to arms.

In lieu of dramatic scenarios like that his next 70 days will have to be handled very carefully. No help from the Republicans, they're busy getting Covid any way, like Ben Carson and Mark Meadows chief of staff and 30 others.

The revolution of the chiken shits is laughable.
I would charge him with sedition the moment he called on any federal forces to support his continuance. Tie him up by any means possible.
Frankly his militia of white supremacists is not up to the task of kidnapping Rosie O'Donnel.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 10:40 AM

It used to be the new president didn't assume office until March of the following year. It was moved forward a long time ago, but this may be the election that has it moving even closer to the date of the election being certified. There is a lot of canvasing left to do, so the next day wouldn't work here (since the whole nation and not just a house of parliament makes this vote).

Trump even trots out Farage here in the US. That's what is so concerning about that fool - his need to import bigotry and haters.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 08:18 AM

you can think what you like so can i ,it makes no difference, however it exposes democracy as not a level playing field, it also means those parties who have the backing of money are at an advantage, that generally favours the establishment

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 05:14 AM

There's an excellent post mortem covering both sides of the campaign in the Washington Post titled "Trump Loses His Most Drastic Gamble".

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 04:41 AM

SRS, Our 'equal time' policy here is ridiculous. BBC seem compelled to wheel out Nigel Farage at a drop of a hat, even though he, and his party, holds no public office anywhere. Every time he opens his vile mouth I want to scream or throw something at the TV.

In my view, the amount of airtime a party or so-called party gets should be proportionate to the number of councillors, regional representatives and MPs. Otherwise BBC should be giving equal coverage to everyone who has aspiration to become a politician.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 02:43 AM

punkfolkrocker, that was my implied question: How much power does the outgoing president retain=why is there such a long period of time available for mischief making? I know the reasoning and that inaugurations used to be held in March because travel was so slow. However, that is no longer the case and it seems to me that December 1, say, should be plenty of time.

They are saying that Biden has spent the last few months formulating his cabinet members, long before he could be sure he would be elected. That seems logical to me.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:26 AM

trumps got a couple of months
and state of the art technology at his team's disposal
to fabricate digital 'proof and merit'...

Us Brits are totally bewildered
why you yanks permit the loser to stay barricaded in power
for so long after defeat in the election.?????

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:01 AM

Faithless electors are rarely a thing - and many states have laws that simply prevent their changing their votes.

I suppose the BBC may go by the "equal time" rule that the FCC used to impose on radio and TV here, but it ends up with minority crackpots getting equal time with actual players in a serious conversation. They were interviewing a woman from North Carolina tonight who was trying to claim Trump shouldn't concede and the court cases have "merit," even though she couldn't give any facts as to what actual real merit might exist. It was a waste of airtime.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 11:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gr0B16rFzI

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 06:06 PM

The reason I said Trump is now at 214 electoral votes is because faithless electors could change the 'final countdown'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 12:26 PM

One reason for optimism regarding those GA runoff elections is that since trump won't be on the ballot some of those boneheads that support him might not be bothered to show up at the polls. I'll certainly kick in a few bucks, the enormous task of cleaning up trump's gigantic mess will be considerably easier if the Democrats control the Senate and the thought of the corrupt, racist, QAnon enthusiast Kelly Loeffler winning a seat is nauseating.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 11:47 AM

Now the efforts begin to win the 2 Senate seats in Georgia. $$$$$ will flow....

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:48 AM

Good catch all.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:28 AM

The AP has called AZ for Biden and if he takes GA, and it appears he will, he'll wind up with 306 electoral votes, the same amount trump had in 2016 when he claimed he won by "the biggest landslide in history". So this thing wasn't all that close in either the popular vote or the "Electoral College".

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:06 AM

Have you seen this? Not made up. You couldn't make this stuff up"

I don't think enough is being made of the fact the adult bookshop is called "Fantasy Island"

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:03 AM

Biden didn't just squeak through with the election, he had four million plus more votes than Trump. It's only this obsolete "Electoral College" - a remnant of the slave states era, that makes it look "close." (States with a low population of white land-owning men compared to the larger percentage of slaves, decided that a "winner take all" setup would give them more clout to protect their slave-holding status). Now that the populace as a whole is entitled to vote, that relic needs to go away.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:01 AM

At least you knew the song Ebbie. I do 60 second parody songs, prose and less often poetry that can take weeks or years as in the case of "the dark ages were golden for some".

The main thing is to catch them in the breeze while they blow past.

Concession doesn't matter especially to professional critics

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 09:34 AM

What an incredible screw up but having seen Borat's Subsequent Movie Film it makes perfect sense that Rudy would stage the thing next to an adult store. He probably wanted to duck in for a little post-presser shopping.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 09:02 AM

Have you seen this? Not made up. You couldn't make this stuff up

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 03:13 AM

Trump has farted and thus departed, graffiti on wall of toilet 2020