BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 02:30 AM

Yes, Joe Biden did indeed- and frequently! - condemn the violence. He often said, very forcefully, 'Demonstrating is an American right but looting and burning and vandalism is NOT demonstrating. They are CRIMES.'

I don't quite see how anyone missed that.

But I have a question: Just how much power does the outgoing president retain during the period between the election and the inauguration?

I know he can pardon all manner of people- evidently including himself, which saves him from ONLY federal crimes but does not save him from state infractions. So my expectation is that he will preemptively pardon his family and a number of others. (A feature of pardons that is sometimes overlooked is that accepting a pardon indicates that you recognize your guilt.)

But surely he cannot enter into agreements with other national heads? Surely not declare wars? Respond to aggression, yes, but not otherwise?

Oh, and Donuel, your post of Nov. 6 at 8:46 AM needs crediting. If I had not previously seen that elsewhere, I would have thought you ere claiming it as our own. Perhaps no one else would have but I am the trusting sort.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Elmore
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:35 PM

Trump has something to boast about. Seventy million plus voters, and he lost. Makes him the biggest loser of all time.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 08:27 PM

Perhaps you should have expected someone with a career of hypnosis and mind control to forgive all the Trumpsters as victims of a fractured mind, put in a bubble of solitary confinement, subjected to psych algorithems on Facebook, all with the background audio of right wing radio bought by Sinclair to further reinforce the elimination rhetoric, and QAnon extremism that precedes a holocaust while strung out on Fox News.

If npr had been corrupted you too might believe an awful story and start down the road of a fractured mind syndrome. Don't think you are immune. The correct term is disinformation - not misinformation when it is used deliberatetly in mind control. Believe me control of the masses is a real current career path today.

I'm the maverick that is like a defense against the dark arts professor. Or like Penn and Teller showing people how tricks and illusions are done. I'm the one who refused to work for the CIA in this field when I was actively recruited. There were consequencea and sacrifice.

Undoing the fractured mind is tedious work but can be done in less time than a Presidential term. This is not hocus pocus BS but is serious stuff that works on intelligent people.

Like hacking code, toxic and poisonous mind control is out of the CIA bag now and is being used in cults and republican think tanks and nations..

WHAT TO DO NOW? Forgive those fractured and enamored with Trump - Half of them can be easily redeemed.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: meself
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 08:12 PM

Biden indeed DID condemn the rioting - but that doesn't fit the narrative, so ....... Besides, even if he didn't - what manner of human being could vote for someone who destroyed families by stealing toddlers from their mothers?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 07:27 PM

Mg, I think it looks like we're so divided because the crazy part of the right wing is very, very loud. I just hope they're jealous enough of all the block parties going on now that they'll see how wrong they are and join the fun.
and then flying monkeys come out of my ass and sprinkle fairy dust on everyone, and we all sing "kumbaya", and hug

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: mg
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 06:27 PM

I don't see this as a deeply divided country. There are extremists on all sides but there is a strong and sane center that wants security, safety, life, liberty, right to own property, right to free speech and freedom to vote however in honest elections (which are only as honest as loopholes that are closed). I am glad biden won, wish it was by more so less contesting the vote, but he did not deserve a landslide.he failed to even condemn the rioting and supposedly 88% of trump voters mentioned that as a factor in exit polls. It was a huge factor for me, although I did not vote for him. They need to tell the big packed crowds to disperse..what are they thinking of in raging pandemic.same for trump rallies, huge weddings etc. Go home and tweet. Stay home for Thanksgiving. Be grateful for the outcome but we will be better off with minimum smugness and condescension.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:30 PM

US Police and military will be preparing for fall out action,
and testing their loyalties...

Definitely a time to be glad I live in Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:25 PM

I have to consider that there are (I would presume) a lot of folks who are close to Trump, who have been biting their tongues and putting up with his bullshit for a few year, and will likely be happy they can stop doing that. And they're also close enough to stop any acting out he might do.

I hope, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:21 PM

I've inquired about the same thing. There are fewer Democrats in this Texas county so I think maintaining distance would be easier than in Times Square or Black Lives Matter plaza in Washington, D.C. And just think about the Black Lives Matter stretch of Fifth Avenue in New York City tonight. Now that will be something to see.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:44 PM

Don, I can vibe with the sentiment, but somebody really needs to talk to you about scansion.

I'd like to find a party in some close-by street, but, you know,... germs. (Plus I'd have to drive there, find a place to park, and walk to the fun place. and it doesn't work with my level of laziness.)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 7 Nov
From: Helen
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:10 PM

Regarding the sociopathic toddler's temper tantrum, this song just popped into my head - before I read your post SRS.

Can't Stand Losing You

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 02:40 PM

The orange tick has dug his way (and that of his family) into a position of power and it's going to take more than a hot match head to get them to back out of the flesh of American government. They're all going to have to put their houses up for sale, they're going to have to restart their businesses, and, yes, they're going to have to keep attorneys on retainers to settle all of the lawsuits and represent them in court for criminal proceedings.

They probably will trash the place as they go, so here's hoping the non-partisan federal employees who look over the White House and other public buildings used by Trump will be able to stand up to the Trumps. And please, fumigate the White House before the new First Family moves in.

Trump has been briefed on all sorts of top secret activity, he still has the nuclear codes. This is a really dangerous time to have a sociopathic toddler's temper tantrum run for the next 2.5 months.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 02:14 PM

No, I rarely watch TV comedy shows..

[Real world politics is darkly cruel enough absurdist comedy..!!!]

But it's such an obvious thought, it's bound to spontaneously enter many thousands of imaginative minds
all at the same time...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Helen
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:28 PM

pfr, have you been watching Adam Hills The Last Leg? In the episode this week he showed a Monopoly-style game board but it was called Democracy and the last thing he did was a reference to a certain person going straight to jail.

I just read the news here in Oz. Yes Joe Biden and his team will have an uphill battle to restore some sort of balance and normality and he probably won't achieve everything to his complete satisfaction but if ever a battle was worth fighting for, this is it.

Yay for the real people!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:21 PM

Looks like old trump is going to be serenaded tonight by massive crowds in Black Lives Matter Plaza. We're celebrating with Chili and Apple pie tonight. Times sure have changed.

Subject: RE: TRESPASSER AND CHEF
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:15 PM

No, I can't forget that evening
Or Fox News as votes were leaving
But I guess that's just the way the story goes
I always yell but in my eyes my anger grows
Yes, it grows

No, I can't forget tomorrow
When I think of all my sorrows
At the white house they turned off the power
It is not fair they turned off the power
These grapes are sour

I can't lie, if lieing is without power
I can't grift, I can't gripe any more
Can't live, if living is without TV !
I can't tweet, I can't tweet any more!

Well, I can't forget that evening
Or the anger of them stealing
But I guess that's just the…

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:14 PM

a message for trump
to quote cromwell, You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... In the name of God, go!"

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:08 PM

Yes Biden won by a margin greater than JFK and even Ronald Reagan. I toasted Obama's win with Champagne / I will toast Biden's win with warm Milk and Cinnamon toast.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:06 PM

Well NEARLY the ninth in a row... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:05 PM

The ninth post in a row from a Brit. We do follow your politics, and you may be assured that this effusion is no more than a reflection of our sheer relief.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:05 PM

What a glorious day!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:03 PM

Lest we forget, Trump wasn't exactly wiped out. He increased his personal vote. The USA is a bitterly divided country just now, and reuniting it will be one of Biden's most difficult tasks. He's made a very good start by remaining dignified, calm and measured during the last few days.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:49 PM

Well done all my American friends and thank you to the 75 million who voted for sanity. We still have Johnson and Putin to go but hopefully you have sent the message that short term populism isn't an option for most of the world :-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:44 PM

... anyway..

Hopefully, direct from Whitehouse to jail without passing go...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:40 PM

Our American mates better make sure this result sticks.

I'll celebrate when I know for absolute certain that trump no longer has any access to nuclear codes and buttons.

He's too much like the spoilt brat
who gets kicked off the football pitch
and punctures the ball as he sulks off...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:37 PM

And I’m utterly delighted you were wrong, Steve. I thought Agent Orange would get back in - I’m amazed and delighted I was wrong too.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:58 AM

I said months ago that Joe couldn't win. I have never been so utterly delighted in my whole life that I could have been so woefully wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:52 AM

The Orange Lunatic has lost. Time to forget the bastard and move forward.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:51 AM

*Singing* Donald the ex-President packed his trunk and got kicked out of the Whitehouse. Off he went with a Trumpety Trump, Trump, Trump....

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:29 AM

It got called for Biden while I was at the market. Whew.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 09:00 AM

This all got messed up from the top levels directing the bottom, and it spread. In other words, they screwed education so kids no longer learn about civics. They watch TV, where people who act like idiots are rewarded by being noticed. Mostly, because they're uneducated, they believe whatever their hero tells them.
Man, question everything - not just "authority", but what the people you like say. We have a whole generation (or maybe two) of stupid people. Educate their kids, at least.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 07:51 AM

very good - the solution is clear. build a new white house, a new mar-a-lago take the real trump tower.....get Fauci to sedate DT and stick him in his own new reality TV show 'How I won the White House 2020' It will be a piece of piss to get him to watch the new 'Donald TV' show and filter the rest. He carries on , as ever, in his own world and we get to enjoy watching all the fun. i'm sure real world leaders would love to make guest appearances and feed his sense of importance. 'can i congratulate you on your victory....etc...' he's happy, everyone's a winner!

david lynch to direct the show, i think.....any other suggestions?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 06:34 AM

“Don’t wanna go...!!”

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 05:10 AM

Here's an indication of how much regard some trump supporters have for the democratic process-
Stop the vote...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:00 AM

well biden is certainly better than donald, however i think that the commission of presidential debate is a stitch up

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:56 AM

There are too many 'Red' states for it to fly, but I would have liked to see a proposal for an amendment to the Constitution to put some constraints on what a President can and cannot do, including such things as blocking nepotism and the use of properties owned by the President and family for government purposes, and government properties for party purposes. I am sure other can think of things to add to the list.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:36 AM

I hope that Biden does get to the White House and then makes sure there are failsafes in place to prevent the election of anyone so twisted again. The downside to this is that we in the UK can no longer say that there are worse things than Boris Johnson...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:15 AM

I am hearing theories Trump will resign before the inauguration in January specifically so that Pence can give him a Presidential pardon. I can't say I would be surprised.

I presume that if he decided to do that, there is no way of preventing it?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 06:18 PM

Joe Biden is going to be the president of the United States, the math is an impossibility for Donald Trump now. He can not be elected President, there is no path for him to be elected with the few remaining uncounted votes. Temper tantrums and hurt feelings don't matter anymore; his delusions, his King Lear act, the enablers are upset - it doesn't matter. They lost.

That leaves 48% of Americans having voted for a an authoritarian movementwith fascistic markers hostile to American democracy, to the rule of law and venerates a cult personality. I think the heir apparent will not be Trrmp Jr.but is Tucker Carlson in 2024. Hewill say Trump was stabbed in the back by unseen deep state actors and the election was stolen. That will be the new cry of the right wing victim.

Republicans will believe this forever because they have been poisoned by the Murdoch corporation, by OAN, by Sinclair, the sludge and aewerage on Facebook, so this will still be a long term fight.
We have an embolden white nationalistmoveent, we see a militia movement supported by the Republican party like black shirts. AR 15s are a political statement. All this needs to be sealed up and buried like the Chernobyl reactor.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS 4 million people oppose those dark efforts of the right. From the Lexington Concord forward we the people decided to govern ourselves and not be dictated to. We pick the leaders.

Trump has been fired due to his malfeasence, recklessness, immaturity and insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: mg
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 06:18 PM

here is a great song..the same old wind that blows our strings out of tune is blowing our discords away. https://soundcloud.com/timberbound/same-old-wind?in=timberbound/sets/timberbound-songbook

https://soundcloud.com/timberbound/same-old-wind?in=timberbound/sets/timberbound-songbook

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 05:25 PM

The cracks in the damn enablers are showing fear of prosecution and are backing away slowly. Even Murdoch has started whistling past the graveyard of the Trump family. Yes it is time to put the dick back in the dictator. I'll allow Pelosi to choose where to put it. Dic-tator tots like Donald Trump Junior are crying for the people to go to war, but with an army like Rudy's Ruff riders and Bubba's Tennesee militia it does not look like civil war afterall.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 01:02 PM

Reported on BBC News earlier that Repuglican close supporters of tRump are now beginning to slowly distance themselves from him.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 12:30 PM

There are no Republicans willing to give their fearful leader the bad news. Instead they are leaving it up to FOX NEWS to tell King Lear the awful truth.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 12:20 PM

biden will win but udforunately donald fuck up will be there until jan 20

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 12:05 PM

Ah the hope the hope the hope
Painful painful agonizing hope
I feel for MIA families, again
Hope is cruel and has pointy teeth
And claws

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 08:46 AM

An animation about your 3rd party quandry:

A donkey and an elephant are both sitting on the far ends of a park bench reading a newspaper. Up walks a donkey with thick legs and a short elephant trunk asking "Is there room?". The donkey and elephant plop down their newspapers in the middle of the bench and say
"NO !!"

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 04:25 AM

That is tricky, though, Sandman. Without some sort of proportional representation what usually happens is the smallest party (eg the Greens) takes votes disproportionately from the party most aligned with them, leading to the one least aligned getting most votes. This vote-splitting has been the bane of all FPTP systems wherever they are in the world, and, short of some PR system, it seems insoluble.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 04:20 AM

Absolutely Sandman!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 02:21 AM

rump is just a bad loser, the only infair thing about this election is the presedential debate, the green party and the fecwin libertarians should not be excluded the commission of presidential debate is a sticth up between the republicans and the democrats, i do not agree wit the libertarians on most issues but they should be allowed along with the greens to take part in a presidential debate, hardly a level playing field

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 09:39 PM

The election is over but Trump and FOX news are still campagning and have gone all in by putting all of their chips on lawsuits that claim they didn't have enough of their poll watchers allowed in to breathe down the neck of the poll counters. Its a he said she said arguement.

He said its Earth Shattering
She said much ado about nothing

He said the dead have risen from the grave to vote
She said no they didn't

He said it is outrageous, partisan and lawless
She said yes you are.