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Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?

*#1 PEASANT* 12 Feb 20 - 08:43 AM
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Subject: Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 12 Feb 20 - 08:43 AM

I have a newspaper article that describes a temperance meeting held by Tommy Armstrong of tanfield

anyone know of Tommys work in this area?

Thanks
CB


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Subject: RE: Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 12 Feb 20 - 08:48 AM

Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Monday 31 January 1881
On Saturday public tea was held, the ladies presiding over the tables being—Mia Whitfield, Mrs Woodcock, Mrs Thompson, and the Misses Hnghes, Bewick, Morpeth, Adamson, and Holmes, and large number of persons sat down to the bountiful provision provided. Subsequently crowded public meeting was held, the chairman being Mr Thomas Armstrong, of East Tanfield, who gave a stirring address, and Mr Rutter also spoke upon the progress of the Lay Church movement in the county of Durham. The choir intervals sang selections of music. The solos, duets, &c., were given by Miss Holmes. Miss Hughes, Mrs Whitfield, and Mr John Kemp, Mr Hughes being conductor. An interesting meeting was brought a close the singing of the Doxology. Gospel-Temperance Union.—


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Subject: RE: Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 07:28 AM

But how many Tommy Armstrongs were there in Durham at that time?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 08:23 AM

This from Wikipedia, so it looks like the same Tommy Armstrong


Tommy Armstrong was married in 1869 to a Mary Ann Hunter in 1869 and they had 14 children. Ann died in 1898 and Tommy remarried in 1901 to a widow named Ann Thompson. He lived most of his life at Tanfield Lea, although he is known to have also lived in East Tanfield, Iveston, Tanfield, Tantobie and Whitley Bay.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 02:56 PM

From Tommy Armstrong The Pitman Poet by Ray Tilly.

Chapter 6 The Character And Alleged Drunkard

In 1951, WHA made the following comments about his father:
i) He was a champion quoits player in his day - ten yards on the clay, but he was also a champion drinker which kept him and his family down.
ii) Drink was his downfall.

In 1952, WHA went on to make the following additional comments about Tommy:
i) Me dad's muse was a mug of beer.
ii) My father always wrote his best songs when he had had one over the eight.
iii) He had an indomitable thirst. He got songs printed on broadsides which he sold round the pubs, a penny a time, to raise beer money.

It is worthy of mention at his point, that prior to the above comments being made public by WHA, no such comments can be attributed to anyone else before that time.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 10:16 AM

the ray tilly book is great-highly recommended

in the book he states it is written to set things right-tommmy was a relative I think

the author is not happy with the drinking reputation....

however he is almost alone in the debate-opposition includes first hand sources

im not in debates-I just record them

---this is the right Armstrong
there is some evidence that others in his household were in he movement
cb


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Subject: RE: Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 06:31 AM

It's difficult to reconcile the different accounts of Tommy Armstrong. Ray Tilly is the son of William Hunter Armstrong and the grandson of Tommy Armstrong, although he did not know either.

He wrote, "The initial suggestions that Tommy was either a thief or a drunkard emanate from his son WHA...However, [WHA] became intolerant towards anyone who drank any alcohol at all. It seems odd that WHA castigated his father but was happy to 'ride on the back of' his success...It is sad that WHA portrayed Tommy as a 'drunkard' when evidence indicates, yes, he liked a drink but certainly could not be described as a 'drunkard.'"

WHA joined the Sons of Temperance Society in 1904. The aims of the Society were twofold; first to promote total abstinence from alcohol and second to provide insurance benefits for persons who abstained. In 1923 WHA was bestowed with the highest position of honour in the Grand Division, that of Grand Worthy Patriarch.

Tommy Armstrong timeline;
1848 born at Shotley Bridge
WHA says; aged nine, started work at East Tanfield Colliery. Spent all his working life in Tanfield Moor, Tanfield Lea and East Tanfield Collieries.
Other accounts; aged eight, started work at Medomsley Busty Pit. Spent much of his working life at West Shield Row Colliery (Oakey's Pit).
1866 putter then hewer at Addison Colliery until end of September
1866 moved to East Tanfield Colliery
1869 married Mary Ann Hunter at Gateshead Register Office on Christmas Day
1874 WHA born at Tanfield
1875 'Sheel Raw Flud'
1878 'Oakey's Keeker'
1880 'The Blanchland Murder'
1882 'Trimdon Grange Explosion'
1885 'Oakey's Strike' written at Red Row, Beamish
1886 'Sooth Medomsley Strike'
1894 'Th'Nue Ralewae te Anfeeld Plane'
1897 'Kelloe Disaster'
1899 spent time in convalescent home in Whitley Bay after his first stroke
1900 appeared in front of Tanfield School Board
1901 married widow Ann Thompson at Tanfield Parish Church
1902 moved to Whitley Bay
1906 back in north west Durham at Ouston
1909 'Murder of Mary Donnelly'
1909 approx, unable to follow his employment since stroke
1911 living as 'invalid' with his widowed daughter-in-law and her nine children in Tanfield Lea
1911 'Consett Choir Calamity'
1912 'Old Folks Tea at West Stanley'
1913 grand benefit concert at Star Cinema, Tantobie
1913 'A Picture Hall at Tantobie'
1913 'Gateshead Poor Children's Trip to Stanley'
1914 benefit concert at Club Hall, Tantobie
1920 died at Tantobie, buried at at St Margaret churchyard, Tantobie
1924 public subscription for a headstone


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Subject: RE: Folklore: tommy armstrong -temperance worker?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 06:10 PM

thanks


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