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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Senoufou 16 Aug 21 - 06:11 PM
Nigel Parsons 16 Aug 21 - 12:12 PM
Charmion 16 Aug 21 - 09:03 AM
Steve Shaw 16 Aug 21 - 08:26 AM
Senoufou 16 Aug 21 - 04:36 AM
Steve Shaw 16 Aug 21 - 04:30 AM
mg 16 Aug 21 - 12:04 AM
Steve Shaw 15 Aug 21 - 06:53 PM
Donuel 15 Aug 21 - 05:06 PM
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Donuel 14 Aug 21 - 09:30 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 06:11 PM

After I moved to Glasgow from Edinburgh, I actually lived almost next door to the Virology laboratories of their university, and the chap I knew gave me a 'guided tour'. It occurs to me that had this been Wuhan in the 21st Century, I might have been exposed directly to Covid (if that is in fact where it all started)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 12:12 PM

"Do-si-do your corners now,
pass then side to side.
If they're not mask-wearers,
Pass them extra wide!" ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 09:03 AM

I got the jabs, but I still wear a mask when indoors with other people whose immunization status I don't know.

The jabs are for me, but the mask is for everybody else. I have no way of knowing whether I'm shedding the virus, and I don't wish to find out that I am through contact tracing.

Also, the mask makes parents of small children feel safer.

I'm cool with that.

And when the boosters are available, I'll be right there at the front of the line. With a mask in my pocket, if not on my face.

Here in lovely, leafy Stratford, Ontario, the mask is now something of a fashion statement. I have a purple one from the University of Western Ontario, and two made up in tartan: Perth County, which is green, and Maple Leaf, which is red. (I also have plain white and black ones for when I don't want to attract attention.) Big chain stores such as Canadian Tire and Sobey's issue their staff with trademarked masks. The Bank of Montreal not only put all its staff in blue masks with the bank logo, it also required them to think of an alternative "thanks for doing business with us" gesture so they don't have to shake hands. The young fella who handled my husband's estate account does the namaste thing; I saw another do an "air dap" with a customer. And it's now the polite thing to swing wide when you meet people on the street; nod, smile and wave when you do it, and they nod, smile and wave back.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 08:26 AM

That's all very true. But the vaccines are doing a damn good job and they are tweakable. They are the only hope of defeating the virus, unless it eventually defeats itself, which seems unlikely. What is important is that we don't allow ourselves to be sidetracked by snake oil remedies. All they do is help to perpetuate the crisis by allowing people to feel far more secure than is justifiable. We simply can't have the recommending of evidence-innocent vitamin remedies, the criticising of non-mask wearers yet the defending of people who won't take the vaccine. In the vast majority of cases there is no moral defence for vaccine refusal.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 04:36 AM

I heartily agree with having the greatest respect for science and for proving theories with solid scientific data.
The thing is, this is a fairly new situation, a worldwide pandemic, and
the available vaccines (thank goodness for them!) haven't been around long enough for virologists to ascertain their effectiveness against all mutations of Covid.
There are far too many variables - ethnicity, age, even climate, 'herd immunity', which conditions aid transmission etc etc etc. Only time and careful virological research will give us answers.
I once knew a chap who was a tutor in the Virology Department of Glasgow University (in the Sixties!!) He was extremely informative about viruses and all the research then was fairly new stuff. Little did we imagine in those days that a pandemic of this magnitude and danger would affect the entire globe!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 04:30 AM

Well choose your sources carefully. For example, you could look at the overview of vitamin D in relation to Coronavirus in the highly-respected BMJ (British Medical Journal). In sum, it says that evidence for vitamin D efficacy is sparse, inconsistent, weak and often in disregard of confounding factors. Additionally, you are bigging up out of all proportion the risks of vaccines and you are defending refusers. Demurring at the only thing that will get us out of this whilst promoting ineffective measures is the recipe for prolonging this pandemic.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: mg
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 12:04 AM

you have read differing reports than i regarding vitamin d. i am for vaccinations, although the way we got to them cost hundreds of thousands of lives by denying people access to safe, cheap, early treatments. Still a huge problem. I support vaccinations but I would like to see a bit more respect for those who choose not to vaccinate, especially their teenage boys. There are scary reports out there. There are consequences for vaccines and we need to be brutally honest and demand them anyway i guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 06:53 PM

Vitamin D, etc., has got nothing to do with this. For decades we've been told that massive doses of Vitamin C protects us against colds. My old dad believed that, he still caught colds and he got heartburn from the vitamin tablets to boot. The virus gets into your cells no matter how vitamin-rich you happen to be.

I'm perfectly sane, I don't think for one second that I'm the only one who is, and I'm not delusional. I follow the science. The science says, overwhelmingly, that getting the vaccine is the way out of this. The science around the infectivity of vaccinated people is highly uncertain. The science around masks isn't there. I've asked here repeatedly for evidence but all I've had is that stone-age thing of observational stuff with no regard for confounding factors, largely from "scientists" who suffer from confirmation bias, the true curse of real science. And I seem to be in a very small minority when I refer to the mass misuse and the mass misunderstanding of masks, which can and does lead to a false sense of security and actual danger to the public. Wear a mask, I respect you for that. I should expect the same when I demur, but some of you are so certain that you're right that I almost think that some evangelist or other has been getting at you. Speaking of evangelists, I'll say it again: millions of Americans are refusing the vaccine because their preachers are instructing them. I've kept all the rules but you still have a go. Your silence over the millions of you yanks who are refusing the vaccine, a step that threatens the whole planet, is deafening.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 05:06 PM

Way to go mg. About american N-95 masks I know they come in a multiple of grades and sizes.

Just because some people think everybody else is crazy and they are the only sane unbiased person doesn't mean they are crazy, it means they are delusional.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: mg
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 04:28 PM

you can still infect people vaxed or not. i would continue all practices that you already have and amp them up. see what your vitamin d level is and adjust if you can. huge correlation between levels and virulence of disease. there are early and prophylactic medicines and vitamins you can take. google dr. pierre korry.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 03:10 PM

Juneau, Alaska, is experiencing a spike in reported covid cases, even though the town as a whole is more than two-thirds vaccinated, a much better rate than Alaska as a whole.

After dithering for months - as I reported on the 'Cat- as to whether I dared get the vaccine because of many bad reactions to many medications (I finally realized that if I reacted badly to the vaccine, that would affect just one person, but if I caught the virus not only could I have a bad reaction but I could also infect multiple people- well, it was a no-brainer, and I got the J&J jab the next day). I'm glad I did.

I wear a mask whenever I leave my apartment, even when I'm walking my dog outdoors. I wear it as a statement: Take the virus seriously!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 07:18 PM

I share some of your doubts on the efficacy of masks, Steve, but I also don't think they do me any harm providing I refresh them frequently, which I do. So I will keep on wearing them where they are advised as long as that is the official position. At the same time, I had a meal in a pub last weekend and sat unmasked for a couple of hours. I even went to the bar more than once when I saw it was quiet. I didn't lose any sleep about having put myself in danger as it was quiet enough to maintain social distancing.

When we were first required to wear masks in shops, I used to snatch the mask off as soon as one foot had passed through the exit. It wasn't long before I found myself half way up the car park before I remembered that I still had the mask on. Now, I can't be bothered to take my hands off the trolley before I get back to the car.

As far as people not seeing my face, with my looks, I could be doing the world a service.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 05:29 PM

The bias all lies in the minds of mask supporters, who, understandably, adopt the precautionary principle, in spite of the lack of real evidence (which neither Donuel, Maggie nor anybody else is able to provide). That is a very respectable position, and, as I've always said, one that I do respect. When the law told me to wear a mask, I wore a mask, every time, without demur. I am not a denier or a rebel. But, when masks are voluntary, which they have been for almost all of my life, I'm not going to wear one. I've had my jabs and I'm in good health. If I feel poorly I'll stay at home and not emerge until I've had a lateral flow test. I have a good supply of the test kits, I've tested myself twice and been ok both times (I've had two of the other type of test too, ditto). I comply with the rules and do even more. I'm seventy and am a bit chesty, but I want to live out my life normally, which means you can see my face laughing, smiling, frowning and sticking my tongue out at you. I won't miss the opportunity to do the sotto voce swearing. Wear you mask if you want to and I'll support you. I won't be wearing one, but I don't expect similar respect from the sanctimonious mask aficionados. Too bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 09:43 AM

Donuel, a true mask expert would probably know the N95 is an American standard, and as far as I can make out, slightly inferior to the EU FFP3 standard.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 09:30 AM

Ignoring evidence in favor of ones own bias is a common unscientific mistake. A true mask expert wears two masks in which the outside mask is always an N 95. I am still ignoring precautions against a surface contact infection.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 03:46 AM

"Dismiss" is the wrong word, as is "good," and I'm not clear that we are using "leftie" in the same way either. Whether the advice is good or bad is moot. Far better to persuade your fellow citizens to get vaccinated.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 09:42 PM

So, dismiss the good advice because YOU haven't been convinced that it really is good advice. That doesn't sound leftie to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 09:25 PM

I'm a leftie. Unfortunately, I'm also a scientific type of chap who is innately sceptical about stuff until I see proper evidence. Not hearsay or follow-the-herd. It can be uncomfortable knowing that you're seen as a bedfellow with right-wing Tory types, but their motivations are never mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 08:34 PM

I was skeptical of masks right from the start..
.. and still don't trust the majority of pro maskers
to wear them competently and safely..

However..

As soon as right wing arseholes started politicizing masks,
it was in my bolshy nature to definitely decide to wear them defiantly about the streets of my tory wanker infested small town,
where they acted thoughout the entire pandemic as if every day was "freedom day"...

Btw..

"I'll take lessons from any mask aficionado who changes their mask for every shop, bus or train. Who never touches the front. Who never, ever wears their mask round their chin. Who checks that their mask can't leak. Who launders their cloth masks every day, several times, and who carries a whole wad of clean ones for every eventuality. Who ditches their paper masks after every use, without fail, no matter how brief. "

.. that'll for most points be me then, I'm that scrupulously OCD..

But it's not in my nature to insist I know best
and order other folks about..


serves 'em right if they are right wing morons hell bent on winning their Darwin awards...

.. good riddance...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 06:39 PM

Up your mask game all you like (still no scientific evidence, I see). Almost every mask I see here in Bude is ill-fitting/worn badly/taken off, hitched down then up, frequently touched/serially reused (if you ask anyone round here, they'll cheerily tell you that they keep their same disposable mask going for day after day - and who wouldn't, when you have to buy them? Shall I say that again?)

I'll take lessons from any mask aficionado who changes their mask for every shop, bus or train. Who never touches the front. Who never, ever wears their mask round their chin. Who checks that their mask can't leak. Who launders their cloth masks every day, several times, and who carries a whole wad of clean ones for every eventuality. Who ditches their paper masks after every use, without fail, no matter how brief. If you do all these things, your mask still is probably no use. Fall down on any one of them, and your mask is a potential danger to the public. And we don't know who you are. About one person in a hundred is infected at any one time. Therefore a mask edict forces 99 people in every hundred to wear a mask for absolutely no useful purpose, and the one-in-a-hundred person is quite likely staying home anyway, and/or is still leaking masses of viruses through their badly-worn mask (my university definition of a virus started with "a non-filterable particle..."). Great, so it's claimed that we can prevent childhood diseases by wearing masks. I suppose we can prevent flu, colds and all manner of other ailments by wearing masks. Let's leap to the logical conclusion to all this by saying that everyone should wear a mask, all the time, for ever more.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 05:08 PM

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/08/02/did-george-washington-mandate-vaccines-smallpox-continental-


I wish the US took on Rupert like you guys.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 04:49 PM

I don't know what happened there. There was definitely text there when I previewed the post but it disappeared when I pressed submit!

Let's have another go.



I wish the antivaxers here knew that General George Washington demanded everyone in his army was vaccinated against small pox.

Edward Jenner inoculated a 13 year old boy in 1796 with the cowpox virus as a protection against smallpox. The first proper smallpox vaccine was developed in 1798. George Washington died in 1799. He must have been very forward thinking in the last year of his life.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 03:27 PM

It's Time To Up Your Mask Game (updated from February 2021).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 03:23 PM

Wearing masks and social distancing had the added benefit over the last year of reducing and almost eliminating many childhood seasonal illnesses, and the converse is true. As soon as the mask wearing decreased, some of those childhood illnesses returned with a vengeance.

Texas children and children’s hospitals are under siege from two viruses: RSV and COVID-19

More children are being treated in Texas hospitals for COVID-19 than ever before, and an unseasonable outbreak of respiratory syncytial virus is adding to the stress on children’s hospitals.

More children are being treated in Texas hospitals for COVID-19 than ever before. But there’s a second factor that is putting pediatric hospitals on the path to being overwhelmed: an unseasonable outbreak of respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV, a highly contagious virus that can require hospitalization mostly among children 5 years and younger and especially infants.

During the last year, RSV was largely dormant, which experts believe was due to people masking up during the pandemic. Now, in just the last several weeks, thousands of Texas children have tested positive for the virus.

In addition, the delta variant of COVID-19 appears to affect unvaccinated children more often than previous variants. It’s unclear if children are also becoming sicker from it than from other variants of COVID-19. And with the regular flu season approaching, medical experts are concerned over how hospital capacity could be affected.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 01:23 PM

erm, sorry to ask, Sandra, but
what "bloke' ?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 12:10 PM

I give respect to pfr. It helps giving respect if you ever want to expect respect. Good thing I don't expect a thing. I hate masks, but I bear it and wear it. Its more than a small sacrifice.

The people I saw on my tour were reluctant to ever go back to masking.
The mutant variant is killing kids as young as 3 weeks.

The mutant variant of the Reptillian invasion of humanity I thought was the flying spaghetti monster but Q and others are doubling down on the reptiles.

I wish the antivaxers here knew that General George Washington demanded everyone in his army was vaccinated against small pox.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 11:16 AM

Sometime last year I saw a cartoon - unmasked bloke ranting, masked bloke holds out his hand & says "Your rights stop at my nasal passages"

Most of us are masked & follow instructions/health orders.

Sydney & large parts of Australia are in lockdown as delta is running riot in the land of Oz & of course the immortals, the Freedom fans, the nutters & the selfish don't care!

Some people are defiantly travelling about trailing covids & infecting country regions which have not had infections before. This bloke is now in a small regional hospital as are his 2 teenage children who he took with him on his trip, all unmasked, all in hospital.

Others are refusing to wear masks or follow health instructions/orders. QR codes are used everywhere to sign in to shops & businesses, but the newest news is fake QR codes. Hold phone up at code, click & walk thru ...

Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
Nothin', it ain't nothin' honey, if it ain't free ...'

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 10:25 AM

"But it is my decision to endure it out of respect for other people.."


.. and obviously for my own self preservation..

if a properly worn mask provides even minimal protection...???


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 10:20 AM

Masks may or may not be effective protection...???

But short of personal hermetically sealed full face bio-hazard helmets,
they are the only meagre defense most of us have readily available...

But even if they are a useless placebo,
they do serve a valuable purpose
as a visible social symbol that wearers respect their own life,
and the lives of neighbours and total strangers...!!!!!

I see maskless strangers on trains and in shops,
and am automatically wary of them.

On face value, they are in my estimation
demonstrating callous selfish contempt for me and all others
in their vicinity...

My opinion of them is probably true for the greater majority.
I reserve my apologies for the tiny minority who are unable to mask up for genuine health reasons.....

btw.. I absolutely detest the discomfort of mask wearing.
But it is my decision to endure it out of respect for other people..

.. and a tiny petty futile protest that a bloke who looks like me,
easily mistaken for an old right wing street thug,
will defiantly mask up in a small west country town of tory voting anti-mask right wing street thugs...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 06:40 AM

If masks are not compulsory we should fully respect people's wishes to not wear them. I was asked to don my mask in our medical centre and I complied cheerfully. I do wear a mask in our tiny village shop because the lady who runs it, who we've known for years, always wears one and we have to stand very close in there. I think that comes under the heading of just being respectful of people's feelings of vulnerability. I went into a big bike shop the other day and the chap immediately demanded that I donned a mask. When I told him I didn't have one with me he tried to usher me to the door and said we could chat outside. Well he doesn't have to let me in his shop and I don't have to buy his stuff. Fine by me.

I don't feel the same at all about people who refuse the vaccine. Vaccines are THE way out of this. We can all wear masks for ever more and the thing will never go away. My whole face is a big part of my humanity and, unless I'm ordered otherwise by the law, the world can see it. All of it, thanks. But vaccine-refusers don't get my respect at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Aug 21 - 03:55 AM

I agree wholeheartedly with you Steve. We are both double-vaccinated and would gratefully accept any booster or anti-Delta vaccine offered perhaps in the autumn.
Being vaccinated protects oneself but also others, and prevents yet another case being admitted to hospital in need of ventilation.
The thing is, I have always been convinced that vaccines are a Good Thing. As a youngster, I was only too pleased to be vaccinated/immunised against smallpox, polio, TB and anything else on offer. Also, travelling around Africa as I have done, thank goodness for the yellow fever jab, not to mention meningitis, typhoid, cholera jabs etc etc etc. I've had 'em all! I've swallowed dozens of anti-malarials too (Malarone). I'd probably be dead if I hadn't.
I have never had serious jab side-effects except for the first yellow fever one.
We are still wearing masks in supermarkets, and surreptitiously social distancing. But I understand that some people find mask-wearing very difficult.
Look, my poor sister is still struggling with long Covid (eighteen months now!) although she is improving slowly. If you knew what she has been through, you'd have any jab going. (She got Covid at the very start, before jabs were available)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Aug 21 - 09:10 PM

I've started masking again. I see more people of all ages doing it indoor public areas. Outdoors I do not mask. The State is not requiring it and the municipality just elected a pro-business type who is also a vax agnostic (believes its up to the individual and is himself unvaccinated).

To me it's like being in a leaky lifeboat with bailing optional.


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Subject: RE: BS: systemic challenges of the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Aug 21 - 10:10 AM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221522/


M&M's are back. Mobile morgues are back in business.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 11 Aug 21 - 05:22 PM

From the latest issue of Private Eye.

A cartoon about mask wearing.

Private Eye


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Aug 21 - 12:22 PM

Pleeeease wear an N-95 mask for your protection. Not cloth or paper.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Aug 21 - 04:13 PM

Nigel, Donuel has long needed to make accuracy, whether in reporting science or in quoting people, part of his "quest," a target as yet unfulfilled. That's the second time in a few days he's been picked up for blatant misquoting. Donuel, there is nothing pedantic about efforts to correct your egregious misquotes. Just try to get it right first time.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Aug 21 - 11:09 AM

Nigel you are my fav pedantic literalist.
I know Sinatra didn't write the American Songbook lyrics.
I know you know that.

Deniers are criers in the end.
They made claims they can't defend.
When its way too late they want vaccine.
When told no their last words, are obscene.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Aug 21 - 10:13 AM

SRS: I can't get that page, I get a notification:
This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws.

It seems that although they are a "News channel" they have yet to catch up on the fact that UK is not part of the EEA, nor governed by EU laws.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Aug 21 - 09:48 AM

Another one bites the dust after claiming vaccines and COVID are a hoax.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Aug 21 - 09:26 AM

"Mistakes?
I've had a few
but then again
too few to mention."
Frank Sinatra :


Talking of 'mistakes', you can't get away with misquoting lyrics on a music site:
"Regrets, I've had a few"
And while it was sung by Sinatra, the words aren't his:
Songwriters: Claude Francois / Gilles Thibaut / Jacques Revaux / Paul Anka


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Aug 21 - 08:03 AM

My quest has been to be honest while not losing a sense of humor.
I do not hope to panic folks but having studied the 3rd Reich perhaps more than the average person I have to conclude 'There is no bottom to human nature'.
The thin veneer of civilization is not as deep as people think.
It is no more than the onion skin thickness of our atmosphere.
Where we are today, there is no 'away'
there is no 'bottom' we can fathom.
Donuel

"Mistakes?
I've had a few
but then again
too few to mention."
Frank Sinatra :

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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Aug 21 - 07:26 AM

Global warming deniers, Fire deniers, antivaxers and Mask deniers can be found right here in this thread. Often with great frequency, if you haven't noticed. Its a mixed bag but arrogance, ego and narcissism is a human trait. You can call it strange times but my POV was and is business as usual. One member reminds me of gentleman Senator Ron Paul.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 09 Aug 21 - 08:02 PM

confusion reigns.


A headline article says 'man didn't believe in covid' & left Sydney which is in lockdown & travelled to a covid-free regional area to inspect property so 4 local government areas are now in lockdown.

... The infected man was reported to have been travelling with two relatives and had not been wearing a mask, socially distancing or checking in to venues using QR codes, according to Byron Bay Mayor Michael Lyon. Mr Lyon said he had been told the man had waited until he was sick before going to hospital. "I've heard he didn't believe in the virus. From what I understand, he is not cooperating," he said ...

covid doesn't worry if folks don't believe in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Aug 21 - 06:02 PM

We are living in strange times.

From The Guardian newspaper.

Confused anti-vaccine protesters stormed what they thought was a major BBC building on Monday, apparently unaware the corporation largely moved out almost a decade ago.

Rather than target the BBC’s news operation, which they hold responsible for promoting Covid-19 vaccines, a handful of protesters gained access to Television Centre in west London, which is now predominantly rented by ITV to film its daytime shows such as Good Morning Britain and This Morning.

Full story here


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 21 - 09:26 AM

Delta 88
is not you grandfather's old mobile Corona
virus.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 21 - 06:13 AM

Voluntary risky behavior is penalized by insurance companies.
There is a big difference between; age we can do nothing about and cigarette smoking, choosing the vaccine and refusing the vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 06:37 PM

Should the obese pay more for diabetes treatment? Should smokers pay more for lung cancer treatment? Should boozers pay more for liver transplants?

The answer is no, if you regard your country as civilised.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 10:12 AM

AND that could lead to long term care ...so...
Should the unvaccinated pay more for health insurance?
I think so.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: mayomick
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 08:56 AM

The impact of long covid on cognitive function is often overlooked by media reports. The more severe the disease, it seems , the greater effect the disease will have on things like IQ ,reasoning, problem solving, spatial planning .
According to a Lancet article published last month, “people who
recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits ." The report noted that
“score reduction for the hospitalised with ventilator sub-group was greater than the average 10-year decline in global performance between the ages of 20 to 70 within this dataset. It was larger than the mean deficit of 480 people who indicated they had previously suffered a stroke.”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 07:39 AM

There is the problem of a lack of vaccine production facilities around the world. That is something that needs to be looked at as soon as possible. We do not want to be facing the same problem when we have the next pandemic.


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