BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 06:33 PM

I don't see that you did. And we should be able to discuss stuff without always walking on eggshells. Thats honest.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 06:35 PM

I'll swear that apostrophe was there when I posted. Oh, hello...What's this grease doing on my reading specs...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 07:41 PM

Barb'ry - s'ok.. I know you are one of us Brits..

..and very welcome from our point of view..

If I'm ever being a bit sarky about our American mods,
I'm sure by now they know, I'm not entirely serious in any complaining I indulge in..
Though my underlying points are usually sensible and valid...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 07:50 PM

btw.. If I read your green comment correctly...???

I've already suggested that any mudcatters plaguing mods with PMs,
secretly complaining about and demanding that other mudcatters be punished..
Well, they themselves should be threatened with suspension for bothering mods
with constant petty complaints...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Mossback
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 07:52 PM

My bad - fed the troll.

Not at all,Stilly- a particularly clear analysis of this ludicrous situation.

Would there were more like you.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 08:01 PM

just give it a go - give the troll a break for a few weeks. please. lets see how we get on without him . this shit has been going on for years ffs. it's ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 08:42 PM

Bravo. Seconded. Even tho' pfr don't agree...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 10:58 PM

Steve - Some of us have more stubborn principles about ceretain things other folks don't..

One of my biggies is anti censorship and banning..
If that defines me as some kind of libertarian lefty..
simple enough.. innit...!!!

Remember I became an adult during punk rock,
when the Mary Whitehouse brigade were trying to censor and ban
everything we wanted to hear and see...
..and they succeeded far too much, and got away with it for decades...


It's not that I like or want to keep Iains per se..
But in the absence of any better quality right wing mudcat sparring partners,
he's all we got, and'll have to do..

If only we could swap him for other rightys more stimulating
to debate with...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:52 AM

I was there with the anti Whitehouse and Longford too PFR but I would defend their right to say what they believe. I would not defend anyone calling those who disagree with them idiots or worse, deliberately causing trouble and constantly repeating the words of a known agitator. Nor would I defend anyone involved in trying to subvert the democratic process by closing down debates with these tactics.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:54 AM

"OK, so we remove one person because they disagree with you in a 'robust' manner. "
I was hoping you weren't going to fall into this trap so soon Barbry
Iains problem has never been his politics - it has been the effect his behavour has been on others in souring up most discussion he has ever taken part in with personal abuse
I once tried to stop him by gathering his abuses into groups and putting them up for public view - 20/30 at a time on several threads
I was accused of objecting to his politics and nothing was done - he continues and will do so while people defend him on the grounds of "censorship"
Go wash yo mouf out - please - personal abuse has never been "robust" - when done on line anonymously it is hate mail
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:47 AM

I   have a question for everyone;
Is changing the title of a link from
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1271505/boris-johnson-brexit-latest-update-coronavirus-covid-19-john-curtice

to

EVEN THE WORST BREXIT BUMWIPES REALISE THIS
really designed to spread peace and tranquillity or cause maximum offense to one of the opposite political persuasion?

Do you think deliberately creating flame bait is the way to go?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:47 AM

Incidentally
The only time political views should ever become an issue on these threads is when they
(a) directly effect other members - i.e. the effect some people's vies have had on Irish and muslim people not being welcome here
(b) When they breach the incitement to hatred laws of the countries of members involved - no forum should ever be used as a way around those laws - there are far to many sites on the internet that already do that as it is
Iains is not the only one to fall into this category which has had a detrimental effect to the image of this forum
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:32 AM

According to reporting of a leaked German account of the Brexit negotiations, the UK is determined not to ask for an extension of the transition period, and also wants access to a number of the security databases run by Europol and others. The Germans, in particular, are strongly opposed to granting such access.

We need to remember these are opening stances in the negotiation, and therefore not necessarily where either side expects to end up.    Nevertheless, the UK will undoubtedly be seen as following another 'having cake eating it' approach, wanting some of the benefits of EU membership while remaining outside it.

A statement from the EU on the proceedings is expected on Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:53 AM

As I said wriggle wriggle wriggle. Let us have my actual words with the context of the post instead of your continual distortions. You are a disgrace! Put up or shut up. It seems a simple enough request to me. Obviously a bridge too far for you. Some might reasonably wonder why


DMCcG Interpol existed long before the EU, as did Nato. They served/serve the equivalent functions you allude to. Some things are mutually of benefit. No doubt if the Germans are pigheaded we can bring Bletchley Park back online in a thrice.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 06:06 AM

I agree Interpol existed long before the EU, but the databases, the content and the technology on which they run bear little if any relationship to what existed before the EU. It is not the standard of information that existed prior to the EU that the UK is seeking access to.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 07:01 AM

Any more popcorn, anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 07:23 AM

So much fighting! Left against right - right against left. In these days of pandemic, there is a common enemy that should unite both sides.

So ........

What is the the Lib Dem position on the current situation?


DC

don't throw things at me ... please .....pretty please!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 07:28 AM

liberals will be backing the tories as usual - especially now there is a gap in the tory party where the slightly more sensible ones used to belong.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 08:13 AM

In these days of pandemic, there is a common enemy that should unite both sides

I agree there is a lot of unhelpful argument. But in fighting the common virus, it is perfectly legitimate for the left to be pointing out how far below the 100,000 promised tests we are and to refuse have the narrative changed to be about the capacity to test rather than the number of tests carried out. If that spurs the government on to do more things like the 'pop-up' test centres that is a good thing.

I think we need to hear rather more what these pop-up testing centres are, and how many of them there are.   I would be looking to see sufficient of them so that every hospital has one in the car park at least once a week, so the NHS staff can be tested weekly. Two or three pop ups for the whole country would be simply PR, but enough to carry out weekly testing of all NHS staff is a minimum moves beyond PR into something worth while. Once than minimum has been reached we should aim to test all NHS and care home workers in short order: if the end of April is the NHS, then before the end of May for all NHS and care homes, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 08:25 AM

The problem with uniting is that some of the medical workers on the virus front-line are the most vocal critics of the Government
It's hardly fair to ask them to unite behind a policy that is putting them at risk daily
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:24 AM

Blow in In small rural Irish villages the term 'blow-in' is often used to classify anyone not born in the immediate surrounding locality. In other words a blow-in is a person who has relocated to an area, who has no roots there
I have given you this definition before. Your woke is distinctly wonky.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:26 AM

Iains - dredging the bottom of your shitpit of

'wind up Jim, to set him loose to get himself suspended'

tactics now by resorting to the "J" word...

Some mudcatters seem to have the misconception that I'll defend your right to be a malevolent disrupter..

Wrong - if it was a choice of having one of two constantly fighting dogs put down,
I'd always choose Jim to be saved from being destroyed by a vet...

Just because I am against the 'principle' of banning,
don't mean I can't make exceptions for the sake of the peaceful life of a community....
Remenber I'm a pragmatist..

[to the tune of "Remember I'm a Womble"...]

If a mod asked me "decide on banning either Iains or Jim"...

For me, It's a quick easy obvious choice - You...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:27 AM

"and shaw[sic] you are no longer in a classroom and I am not one of your unfortunare[sic]pupils.[sic]And as you remind us ad nauseum [sic] it ain't your gig."

Hmmm. Shame really. I could have done wonders for your spelling, grammar and punctuation.

Sorry, John. Smackie Botty. Couldn't resist. I won't do it again! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:27 AM

19 Apr 20 - 04:05 PM (Irish homeless thread

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:27 PM

The key to peace and tranquility is quite simple: For any with the attention span of a squashed gnat I will repeat the opening post:
No personal insults
No dragging up the same points again and again and again
Stay as polite as you can be...
Respect each other, even if your political opinions differ.
No racism, sexism or other isms
Simples! Do not say or even imply I am a racist and I will not have to defend myself. It is that easy!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:37 PM

what was that just open and closed thread in a false name and on a racist theme about then, iain's?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:40 PM

apologies for the errant greengrocer's apostrophe

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:45 PM

Iains - So you habitually flagrantly contravene all of those edicts
you just quoted,
but only take exception to being called the "R" word...

Ok..

I can't say I've ever seen you denigrate women in any of the few BS threads I follow,
if that's any consolation...

But you do have actively supported known racists..
which could be seen as a bit iffy...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:05 PM

what was that just open and closed thread in a false name and on a racist theme about then, iain's?
You seem to kmnow all about it.Was it you?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:05 PM

Just replied - or thought I had
I ave linked him to what he said
No neesd fro implication - he is an anti-Irish racist and I havent even bothered with the "slave owning dirty thieving Travelling community" yet
I think that's checkmate - leave it there PFR
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:09 PM

no, ian - it was you. that is why i asked you about it

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:14 PM

Jim - well.. trouble is..

I made a mistake, and owning up to mistakes is ingrained in my personality...

Yes, I now do recall I have seen Iains being insulting to women..

Diane Abbott.. a black women at that...


oh dear iains..
that don't look too good for your protests
at implications of you being racist..

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:15 PM

Elections analyst Patrick English compiled data from across the British Election Study, the British Social Attitudes survey, the European Social Survey, European Values Study, and World Values Study. From 2016 to today, Britain has seen the biggest fall in hostility towards immigration since records began. Hostility actually peaked near the end of the Labour Administration then declined, and fell off a cliff post the brexit referendum.
This rather contradicts the received "wisdom" constantly posted by the left on this forum. Do you take humble pie neat or with lashings of custard?

Full details from the font of truth Guido.

He also has an interesting article on a sad old back bencher name of Corbyn who not only disregards social distancing but also breaks the over 70s lock in by attending Parliament. Tsk, Tsk!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:22 PM

St Georges Day.. a cherry picked analyst named "English",
and he's supposedly exonerating Brexit xenophobes...

You're having a laugh...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:24 PM

no, ian - it was you.

that is why i asked you about it
Oh goody goody Another one wants to join the put up or shut up club.
I think an apology is required from you for both a lie and an unfounded slur and insult

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:35 PM

Tweets in response to the survey. I do not care if you believe it or not. The analysis exists, well known people have commented. Your opinion is of zero significsnce


Nick Robinson
@bbcnickrobinson
·
22 Apr
Replying to
@DouglasCarswell
and
@DanielJHannan
You’re right. We won’t. Not least because that’s not what the study says. Infact it says the opposite ie the fall in concern “has been taking place since well before the 2016 vote – disputing the idea that the Brexit vote has any causal connection ...”1/2
Andrew Lilico
@andrew_lilico
·
22 Apr
I'm sorry but in that graph it's quite clear that there's a collapse in concern after 2016. It might well be extending a pre-existing trend that pre-dated 2016 (possibly from when the referendum was announced in 2013), but there's definitely a huge drop after 2016.
Replies
Douglas Carswell
@DouglasCarswell
·
22 Apr
Replying to
@andrew_lilico
,
@bbcnickrobinson
and
@DanielJHannan
You’d have thought it at least merited some doubt about the researcher’s interpretation of the data, given what the data actually shows. But not for Nick. This is why our commentariat are so serially wrong. Inductivism masquerading as empiricism.
Stefan Reynolds
@StefanReynolds
·
22 Apr
Replying to
@andrew_lilico
,
@bbcnickrobinson
and 2 others
It’s so obvious! But not to the BBC as it fails to agree with their inbuilt bias. As usual...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:47 PM

He's got us going again
Leave him to wallow please
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:01 PM

Jim - He's got us going...???

.. t'other way round I'd say...!!!


Yeah leave him stewing..

Which is exactly what my dinner is doing,
but towards a more palatable result...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:19 PM

You know, there was a nasty racist thread deleted earlier. I notice it got 18 replies, all from people who claimed they *thought* it shouldn't be there.

People can't really be that stupid, can they. "This thread should exist, so I'll post to it just to keep it alive."

Admit that the reason for all the trolling in here, and the fact we keep attracting trolls is that You People love them. What would you be posting about if you couldn't engage in a bloodless, painless bar fight?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:45 PM

Pfr it is only you lefties make an issue of the MP Diane Abbot being a person of colour. I have not ever mentioned it. I can make an issue of the Abbacus because she has publicly got her figures entirely wrong on several occasions, and she is undeniably severely overweight. Again the question of colour of a hippo was introduced by the left in a pathetic woking exercise.
You lefties, however, made a great issue of the PM Cameron allegedly doing unspeakable things to a pigs head. You ran with it for years despite not having a scintilla of truth backing up the allegation. Very naughty of you. You feel you can insult politicians with gay abandon, This is fair comment on a political thread but it is a bit rich when you all act so precious when the compliment is returned to Corbyn and his latter day clowns. You guys are hilarious, you would not last a week working in the boonies, you might flake your nail polish.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:51 PM

what's a boonie?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:03 PM

Pfr it is only you lefties make an issue of the MP Diane Abbot being a person of colour. I have not ever mentioned it."
For **** sake

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains - PM
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:27 AM
Oh Dear. A member of the public is not too impressed with abbopotomus.

Can we please leave our own home-grown PINNOCHIO to stew in his own juice before he manages to close another thread ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:19 PM

Laughing about a rich over privileged white man allegedly abusing a dead pig,
might be some obscure 'fetishism',

[just another bizarre tory peccadillo..]

but it definitely aint racism..

Which is rather more frowned upon by civilised society...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:46 PM

Laughing about a rich over privileged white man allegedly abusing a dead pig,
might be some obscure 'fetishism',

[just another bizarre tory peccadillo..]

but it definitely aint racism..
Quite so!
and referring to a person who is not too clever checking figures before spouting off and is seriously overweight can legitimately be called an abbacus and/or abbopotomus, but it definitely ain't racism
!
That is a figment of someone's imagination desperately looking to find anything to be affronted by - A woke wally in fact.
(It must be said of course that Labour is never good with figures because it is always some other poor unfortunate's money they are squandering)
Anyway I am getting bored with this. Jim is never going to quote my exact words to try to make his point because they do not exist. He would argue black was white if it served his purpose, or even imagine colours.(as in this case).

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:58 PM

...except.. you want us to accept you innocently don't recognise a reference
to a big fat lumbering African beast is absolutely not racist..

while plenty on your side absolutely know it is when they use it as a deliberately hateful insult...

.. pull the other one...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 04:02 PM

"correction", editing buggered up with a double negative..

please read, the less convoluted..

"...except.. you want us to accept you innocently believe a reference
to a big fat lumbering African beast is absolutely not racist.."

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 04:34 PM

"Admit that the reason for all the trolling in here, and the fact we keep attracting trolls is that You People love them."

"You People." As ever, a failure of nerve when it comes to naming names. Not even "Usual Suspects." As ever, you wade in with your negativity and you get it all wrong. pfr engages Iains skilfully and manfully and gets nowhere. Credit for trying. Apart from the odd wacky right-winger, I can probably say with confidence that we mostly hate Iains' guts and several of us have been campaigning for years to get him thrown out. That's how much we "love" him. The truth is that you mods are the ones who love him. You love to see us wallowing so that you can do your victim-blaming, which is precisely what you've just done, and it suits you down to the ground that those who do the wallowing are exclusively Brits. You hate Brits, which is why you've ghettoed us into one thread, and even then you can't keep out. It's a path of least resistance, innit, Jeri? Far easier than doing what good mods do, which is troll control...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 04:49 PM

Whilst I don’t disagree with you Steve, the simple, straightforward answer is for you, pfr, JIm, and all the others who keep wading in, to get a grip on the OCD you all seem to suffer from, and ignore him.

If you don’t respond to him, his posts will become wilder and more extreme. By not responding, you will deny people like Jeri and other anti-UK, anti-Left Mods the opportunity to victim-blame or claim that you are the aggressors, because you won’t appear as victims, nor as aggressors. Then they will have no option but to acknowledge who the real aggressor is.

For intelligent people, you bunch really are pretty dozy sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 04:54 PM

EDIT to my previous post...

Whilst I don’t disagree with you Steve, the simple, straightforward answer is for you, pfr, JIm, and all the others who keep wading in, to get a grip on the OCD you all seem to suffer from, and ignore him.

His sole purpose is to provoke and draw attention to his Right-Wing Extremist propaganda, and he can’t stand being ignored. If you don’t respond to him, his posts will become wilder and more extreme. By not responding, you will deny people like Jeri and other anti-UK, anti-Left Mods the opportunity to victim-blame or claim that you are the aggressors, because you won’t appear as victims, nor as aggressors. Then they will have no option but to acknowledge who the real aggressor is.

For intelligent people, you bunch really are pretty dozy sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:08 PM

Pfr doesn't agree with you, BWM, and, much as I wouldn't adopt his approach myself, he's entitled to do what he does and he's fairly skilful at it. Jim doesn't agree either, and that's a tough nut for some of us who generally share Jim's politics and outlook and who admire his musical knowledge but who can see the effect he has on the troll. On top of all that, we are at the end of the day a bunch of flawed and passionate human beings. The three US moderators love to see the struggle we have with him, because they don't like us Brits one little bit and, to them, their enemy's enemy is their friend. They showed that they have it in their power to get shut of trolls. They got shut of Teribus, who was a lot less obnoxious than Iains, and they got rid of akenaton because he offended the feminist tendency here. You yourself engaged Iains for quite a while, even thinking that he was actually Teribus reincarnated. Yeah, we're human and we do things that a Mr Spock wouldn't have done. But I rather like being a flawed human. And on any other website I've been on, the mods would have sacked Iains years ago. I'm not going to take the blame for his bad behaviour. In effect, we don't have moderation here. And in criticising us, you're falling into the same victim-blaming trap that the mods so relish. Respect.