Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: GUEST,Bo in OH
Date: 23 May 20 - 11:34 PM

Loved both RUS and RA as a starting point for learning songs. After years of digging through "the blue book" I'm still finding new treasures at singarounds. Blessings to you for your work on RA ... a brilliant resource and fitting sequel. The third online is an inspired and intriguing idea. How about a "Great American Songbook" category? Some of these pop songs are getting close to 100 years old;I find it a fascinating trend that some of the seminal singer/songwriters from the 60s and 70s have been covering them, including Dylan and now James Taylor

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 23 May 20 - 03:23 AM

"Going to the West" is on Finest Kind, Lost in a Song. Liner notes say, "Ann [Downey] learned this beautiful, lonesome song of western migration from the singing of Kate Brislin and Jody Stecher. Its lineage before them can be traced through Ginny Hawker and Peggy Seeger to Byron Arnold's 'Folksongs of Alabama'."

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 May 20 - 11:27 PM

"Moonshiner" - I'm a Rambler, I'm a Gambler

Going to the West

Tell Old Bill

Poor Lazarus

Lorena

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 17 May 20 - 09:56 PM

Instead of forcing things into a specific order, perhaps they could simply be indexed and linked, as we now do so that someone looking for x could go down the list of a general subject, click on the title and arrive directly on x, as we already do with threads and songs that relate to subjects under discussion. That would also allow hyperlinking for relevance at the end of an entry, let us say, to a YouTube of the song.
This project seems perfect for overcoming the limitations of paper books. By creating the ability to add versions, you would be creating something closer in spirit to Child's approach to presenting songs than to having people say "This is THE official version of this song. It says so right here right here in the book." I believe we both agree that this is a major objection to people who treat RUS as the authority instead a starting point to making a song their own.

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: cnd
Date: 17 May 20 - 07:46 PM

I like the themes, Joe. I think a section on nature could be neat. Potentially related to "Environment," but more about the beauty of nature and appreciating it

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 May 20 - 06:56 PM

Well, I can add things to closed threads. I can also make them PermaThreads and assign an editor. That's why I think we need "feeder" threads for discussion and suggestions, and then we can add to the final chapter. Only problem is, it's difficult to reorder threads once things have been posted - so it would be hard to have added songs in alphabetical order.
-Joe-

Some subjects:
Murder
Environment
Activism
Justice
Ballads (we already have ballads in RUS and RA)
Sentimental Songs
Blues (We have a good blues chapter in RA)
Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Ships
Animals
Preschool

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 17 May 20 - 06:08 PM

As we are talking of an online book, how will you add new offerings to closed threads? Unlike a paper book, there is no reason for a properly curated site to ever close out unless there will be a potential RUS, Volume 4, etc. As Tolkien put it, the road goes ever on.

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: Joe_F
Date: 17 May 20 - 05:58 PM

Fall Down Singing

Subject: RE: Rise Up Mudcat!, RUS Volume 3 (online)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 May 20 - 06:55 PM

A "Murder Ballads" chapter, Jay? Brilliant!

I love my Quaker supervisors from Rise Up Singing, but I don't think they could do a "Murder Ballads" chapter (but they did include "Banks of the Ohio"). Want to post a list of songs?

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 May 20 - 05:03 PM

A chapter of Jim Maclean songs.

Ditto for Anne Feeney and David Rovics.

Lockdown balcony songs around the world.

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 15 May 20 - 04:11 PM

I don't have the first two volumes, so I don't know if this has already been used, but...

Murder Ballads

From the sublime to the ridiculous, think of the possibilities.


Jay

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 May 20 - 03:44 PM

I'm thinking that the finalized chapters will be closed threads, with just the song lyrics - and a separate thread to discuss each chapter and submit links to lyrics (lyrics themselves should be posted in existing or new song threads, following our usual one song/one thread practice.

Any suggestions for chapter titles, so we can start some chapter threads?

I think maybe we shouldn't duplicate songs that are already in Rise Up Singing or Rise Again.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 15 May 20 - 02:27 PM

I've been thinking about your note. I suggest you adopt a format that allows song posts only on the threads. These threads would be posted as links above the list of posters. Discussions could be accommodated by a new category, something like "about: XYZ." This would keep the main song threads from becoming cluttered with commentary and, at the same time, allow people to discuss entries.

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 May 20 - 04:54 PM

No, what I'm thinking of, is having it right here at Mudcat, one thread per chapter, with this thread as the planning thread. I think we need songs that people are likely to actually likely to learn and sing, a treasure of the familiar (but not the trite). And I have a preference for songs people can sing together, at least on the chorus.
Name a chapter title, and give us some songs from that category that you think people would like to sing.
I'm open to suggestions for titles for this songbook. Right now, I think the working title should be Rise Up, Mudcat!

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 May 20 - 02:39 PM

Will there be a paid subscription or will it be a labor of love, like the DT?

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: cnd
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:36 PM

It'd certainly be a neat way to make the book more accessible

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 14 May 20 - 05:47 AM

I'd like to see more Australian songs in Volume 3. Poison Train, Wee Pot Stove, Do You Think That I Do Not Know, The Ballad of 1891, Weevils in the Flour, Song of the Sheetmetal Worker, Anderson's Coast, The Sandy Hollow Line, He Fades Away, Time is a Tempest, Bare-Legged Kate, Miner's Washing, The Man with the Pink Triangle, The Swaggies Have All Waltzed Matilda Away, The People Have Songs, Hey Rain, Sixteen Million People, Thirty-Ton Line, Past Carin', Of Trees and Humankind, The Outside Track, Year of the Drum, and I could go on....

Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 May 20 - 12:20 AM

I suggested that we should start working on a third volume of the Rise Up Singing Songbook, and Peter Blood and Annie Patterson said, "You do it, Joe!"

So, I think we should make an online songbook at Mudcat.

The first two books were Rise Up Singing and Rise Again. I love both books, and I worked very hard on the second one and continue working on a database to support the books with YouTube videos and background information. But I have to say I don't like many of the songs in these books.

Subject: Rise Up Singing, Volume 3 (online)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 May 20 - 12:09 AM

OK, so I'll say more about this later, but one song that has to be in the third volume of Rise Up Singing, is "Log Driver's Waltz."