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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

Donuel 29 Jan 21 - 04:21 PM
Stilly River Sage 29 Jan 21 - 11:02 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 04:21 PM

Of course I agree with the mistrust issues! I gathered that Steve was starting to repeat the fact that republican Senator jurors would not vote against their king.

To regain that trust could take extraordinary admissions even including that the US knows more about ufo's than the misinformation we have gotten for decades. The average person doesn't know much about reconcilliation rules but they are 'experts' on ufos.
After all, we're dealing with average Joes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 11:02 AM

Steve mentioned that on a different thread, Don. Several flippant responses have been deleted. (It is a "thing," Steve had it. Look it up.)

From CNN today:

Nine days after newly sworn-in President Joe Biden told America that "every disagreement doesn't have to be a cause for total war," recriminations between the parties and the Republican meltdown are consuming Congress.

It's now clear that the January 6 mob attack on Capitol Hill, while failing in its bid to reverse Trump's election loss, has utterly fractured the basic level of trust needed to make a political system function — at a critical national moment.

In the quarter century of bitter political battles since former speaker Newt Gingrich's Republican revolution, Washington has never been this inflamed.

At times on Thursday, it appeared that the whole of Congress was fixated on its own civil wars, cut off from behind its high iron fence from the reality of America's darkest modern winter.


I was listening to a discussion yesterday about the way the GOP has, over the years, accepted more conservative racist elements that have completely altered the face of the party that was once simply fiscally conservative. When Johnson (who himself was a racist) went with the Civil Rights movement, many Southern Democrats bailed on the party and joined the GOP; when Reagan ran and invited in the "Moral Majority" group, they made a huge impact on the direction of the party. And then there was the Tea Party gang that hopped on, and now that Trump has emptied the Q loony bin into the GOP the party is a Juggernaut that is aiming at completely altering the face of America.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump and Cheek Alert
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 06:36 AM

For decades scientists have models that social unrest is at its foundation a parasitic brain infection that spreads easily among socioconomic groups. I'm not saying its true but the theories are numerous and ongoing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4991276/

Are varying degrees of Q anon fever at pandemic proportions ? 8^I
Steve have you felt different ever since Q fever?
Senofou sounds completely healed ;^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 08:10 PM

In a way, Obama was a case of three steps forward, Trump was a case of two and a half steps back, but he was so out of balance he led to a rapid three steps forward again. Just not for Republicans. They are deeply divided and many of their course directions such as voter limitation and qualifications are likely to lead to severe pushbacks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 07:27 AM

Republicans are pursuing new voter restriction laws as a result of Trump's loss. To absentee vote they want people to submit special Voter ID to get a ballot IN PERSON and then a second time when they mail it.

Isn't that like being required to attend Zoom meetings in person?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 09:53 PM

Its obvious to us but not members on Greenwich time or down under.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 09:45 PM

I sort of use the term 'AM Radio' as a synonym for 'hard right wing' but there you go Don'l making the obvious even more obvious. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 09:45 PM

https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-january-27-2021


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 06:31 PM

Most AM radio has a right wing extremist viewpoint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 06:18 PM

I heard of this first from an AM radio station, I think it was cast in a negative light of how it was a snap response that might indicate senility. You can't even have a sense of humor anymore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 05:11 PM

I really did lol.

pfr I have 3 folders.. "GOOD GUYS" and "OBNOXIOUS PRICKS"...
and totally full of shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 12:06 PM

Humor returns to the White House as Joe gives a FOX reporter a smart answer at the end of a briefing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 11:09 AM

As time passes the GOP seem to hope the events of Jan. 6, if not the full past four years, fade from memory. They can just forget about it. Trump needs to face the criminal justice system, not just the House and Senate in this second impeachment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 09:48 AM

Everytime he flushes his gold toilet he feels a little homesick with recollections of his youth.


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Subject: RE: Flush Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 09:41 AM

If only there was a legal legal remedy to send Trump home, his original home, Flushing, a neighborhood in the north-central portion of the New York City borough of Queens. The neighborhood is the fourth-largest central business district in New York City. Downtown Flushing, a major commercial and retail area centered around the intersection of Main Street and Roosevelt Avenue, is the third-busiest intersection in New York City, behind Times Square and Herald Square.

Flushing was established as a settlement of New Netherland on October 10, 1645, on the eastern bank of Flushing Creek. In 1898, Flushing was consolidated into the City of New York. Development came in the early 20th century with the construction of bridges and public transportation. An immigrant population, composed mostly of Chinese and Koreans, settled in Flushing in the late 20th century.

Flushing contains numerous residential subsections, and its diversity is reflected by the numerous ethnic groups that Trump grew to hate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 09:23 AM

robo the Trump saga could easily be a modern day film noire with an upbeat Vida Trump Loca soundtrack..


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 07:19 AM

I want leenia write a story for the Atlantic titled 'Daddy Issues'


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 05:48 PM

There was a line from an old detective TV show where the private eye has discovered something in the past of the femme fatale and she says:
"Just what rock did you crawl out from?"
And he answers
"I didn't crawl out, ma'am, you found that rock and turned it over all by yourself!"

That's one description of what happened with Trmp. He was out there all the time, it took the public watching him on television, and it took the public voting for him, which they did, enough to elect him once and enough to come way too close to electing him again. Trmp can't help being Trmp, but the problem is that America made Trmp possible and electable.

But life has changed, for sure, Some of it's Trmp, some of it's Covid, and some of it is the interplay. And most of it is fallout of technology.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 02:47 PM

Trump didn't cause troubles so much as exploit them. Here are some long-term trends that I don't see going away:

slow, constant loss of real income among lower-status families
fatherlessness
lack of scientific knowledge
lack of experience in the real world versus digital products
increasing lack of knowledge of how to raise children.
substance abuse, which increases anger, costs precious money, and
    impedes intelligent thought

All these things lead to a large body of people who are looking for a savior - a daddy- a superman - to change their lives.

When Trump finally wanted the rioters to go home, he said "We love you," two times. Why? Because he was their daddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 12:22 AM

My belief is this thread is about a big general UH OH regarding trends in corruption.

TODAYS TREND is that after 8 years of California drought, the richest and fatest have made water a commodity like gold or oil and will allow investors to invest in WATER FUTURES. Speculation by Hedge Funds will fuel its price. Wall St will help insure that money can be made from human misery or any other extraneous life that depends on water.
Wanna git in on the ground floor? Save your spit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 12:03 AM

Keb:

I think this thread is for non legal matters that involve Trump's effects on the country and allows for more freedom of subject matter, such as the wandering into how democratic countries are that we veered into above.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 01:11 PM

.. they tend to be my kind of people...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 01:10 PM

McGrath - yeah.. dodgy grey hat 'anti-heroes' are accounted for..

For them, I place duplicate links in each folder...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 01:02 PM

Surely there are some who fall in between, or move between the two extremes?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 01:01 PM

We've already discussed and sorted this one. This thread continues to reveal the facts behind his misbehavior while he was in office, the other one will, if it proceeds as planned, will follow the court cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 12:07 PM

Keb - On my PC desktop, I've simplified things even further to archive links I keep
for further reference on folks in politics..

Two folders.. "GOOD GUYS" and "OBNOXIOUS PRICKS"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 11:22 AM

Just a thought:

For a while, at least before the inauguration in which
Joseph Biden became the US President,
it had sense that Donald Trump would have two threads in BS
with his name on them.
Now that he no longer lives or works in the District of Columbia,
could we please have just one Donald Trump thread
instead of two Trump threads?

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 10:18 AM

I only lived in Boston for 4 years. It really is historic and in certain ways more trusting yet racist than NYC.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 07:06 AM

The only time I seem to remember we touched upon the American events were in the context of the causes of the French Revolution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jan 21 - 06:56 PM

The American War of Independence is so different when you learn it as a kid. I don't know if it is taught the same way (or at all) for a bunch of reasons:

1) War of Independence versus Revolution. Now I think there were two separate occasions. Fighting the British was to achieve independence. The people who were branded 'Tories' would've branded themselves 'Loyalists'. I understand the population broke down into rough thirds: A third for independence, a third for loyalists, and a third that didn't really care. Some of the fighting was harsh.

2) Impact on young British Canada: Many of the American Loyalists lost their land and removed themselves to Canada, where they created their own mini-revolution in that at the time Canada was mainly French citizens administered by an English governing / military force. A significant new population of English speaking new citizens wanted their rights recognized.

3) Impact on France. The French government spent a lot of money on support for the American cause. It was their fleet that bottled up the English in Yorktown to seal the colonial victory. And it lead to the French Revolution when the French Royalists were out of dough to support their economically challenged population.

4) The issue of slavery has been soft pedalled for generations. As part of the Yorktown surrender the Americans required the British to return their property, being slaves to whom the English had promised their freedom.

5) Even after Yorktown there was no guarantee of American success. One of the main secrets to the success of the new nation was the protracted negotiations that spelled out just what that colonial victory meant. Read a great book called "The Perils of Peace" which spelled it out.

6) The actual Revolution: Came with the Constitutional Convention and its draft product which we still argue about to this day. The notion of a governmental structure based literally on the interpretation of a piece of paper. As mentioned by Franklin: "A Republic, if you can keep it."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: fat B****rd
Date: 24 Jan 21 - 03:07 PM

As a "mature" student in 2007-8 I took Higher History. In a unanimous decision we "did" the American Civil Rights Movement because our tutor said it was "sexier" than UK Economics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 24 Jan 21 - 05:24 AM

But, when I was very young, it so happened that there was a British kid in our class and we very nicely asked him how British history treated the American Revolution, and he answered us that it really didn't, because there was a lot of other stuff happening.



When I was growing up, here in England, I knew about the Boston Tea Party, Paul Revere's midnight ride and George Washington. Even now, other than King George III, I can't recall any names on the British side.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jan 21 - 01:37 AM

I spent some of my formative years in the birthplace of our nation:

Massachusetts.

Class trips and my own perambulations have taken me to the origin of our War of Independence, Lexington Square, and Concord Bridge.

They are indeed hallowed. Concord Bridge especially has been kept up most wonderfully and is well worth a visit. Lexington square is a bit grown built-up, but there is a monument and you can get good Chinese food round the corner.

But, when I was very young, it so happened that there was a British kid in our class and we very nicely asked him how British history treated the American Revolution, and he answered us that it really didn't, because there was a lot of other stuff happening.

It seemed quite reasonable and none of us were at all put out about it.

It's sort of like when Christians with no other background ask Jews what about Jesus in their history and the answer is Jesus ain't in our history. We were doing other stuff at the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 07:30 PM

Great bit on the News Quiz on Radio 4 this weekend:

Yank panellist: "Aubergine: isn't that your name for eggplant?"

Brit panellist: "No. Aubergine is our name for aubergines."   

Brilliant!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 05:35 PM

.. but seeing as you used the plural "Brits" = wits


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 05:24 PM

wit


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 05:14 PM

Guys - for business purposes he is an American now

Now what does Brits rhyme with?

Who is happiest about Donald's departure?
The White House bathroom attendant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 02:51 PM

Rupert Murdoch, our most successful export! We lost him - i.e. we WON! - and the Brits won him - i.e. they LOST!

Unfortunately Murdoch's influence extends outside of the UK but the majority of our politicians don't give him much credence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 11:44 AM

Then your use of the term "Brits" on either side of your mention of his name denotes a very poor use of the English language.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 11:42 AM

Raggytash time to play catchup. archives

If Donald had gone through with his own Saturday night massacre a mass resignation would be the news and not him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 11:29 AM

Good Gawd EVERYONE knows he was Australian.
Hey robo by any chance have you ever seen a robokiller commercial?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 11:26 AM

Back to the topic at hand:

The New York Times published a huge article last night Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General about Trump in cahoots with an Justice Department lawyer to try to overturn the Georgia election. Apparently they thought if they could push Georgia to cave on the results that the other swing states would follow.

    WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

    The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.


This guy is toast, and so, now, is Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 10:58 AM

That's Murdoch!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 10:55 AM

I think you will find that Rupert Murdock is Australian, not British.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 10:51 AM

We don't get brainwashed from infanthood having to salute the flag at school...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 10:38 AM

Sorry you got knee-jerkingly aggressively defensively kneed in the balls.

Sounds like different countries teach history differently dontcha think


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 10:14 AM

yes, I've noticed how even some supposedly liberal progressive yanks,
can still get knee-jerkingly aggressively defensive
if any Brit dares to criticise the hallowed US of A...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 07:24 AM

Sore Brit? The only thing I'd be sore at is being accused of being a Brit. (And I've never in my life met any "Brit" who has the least resentment at the American Revolution. It seems to be seen generally as very much a sideshow, a warm-up event for the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars.)

But there is something strange about the quasi-religious attitude that seems to pervade how many Americans in regard to the details of far-off time. It's different to the way other countries seem to treat their analogous events. The French Revolution or the Easter Rising are honoured and celebrated, but they aren't seen as setting the boundaries of how things should be today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 09:30 PM

I was all for Hillary in '08, only changed to Obama for non-Hillary reasons. And was glad I did; just wish I could've voted for him a third time. And in a way, I did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 09:02 PM

You forgot. We put clothes pins on our noses and voted for democracy's sake .


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