BS: Schoolmaster Quotes

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 08:48 AM

I must say, it's not impossible for a thread that should have been strangled at birth to turn into a serious and even worthwhile natter...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 08:44 AM

In my teaching career I came across two teenagers whose parents had given up on home schooling and eventually sent them to school. Both kids had clearly had their social skills severely blunted and, my word, how unforgiving their peers could be... I can't imagine what it could be like for a poor kid who had been home-schooled from soup to nuts, then released into the cut-and-thrust adult world...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 07:35 AM

I have known one or two good home school parents, including one who was a wonderful teacher in all respects. I have also known home school parents who are absolutely useless and either could not be arsed with taking their kids to school or they believe that the sort of negativity starting this thread is the norm.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 04:37 AM

Children are social beasts and they need to be with other children a lot as they grow up. That includes in both play and in classrooms. The lockdowns have highlighted the severe social deprivation that many thousands of children have been through via the long separations from their friends at school and outside. We may well be sitting on a mental ill-health time bomb in consequence. On top of that, and whilst I've never been an advocate of stuffing the curriculum with content, it's hard to see how the vast majority of parents could even remotely be able to provide the structure, balance, resources and motivation that schools provide. It's even harder to envisage the kind of scrutiny needed to ensure that home-schooling parents need to make sure that they're doing what they should be, should home-schooling turn into anything other than the peripheral activity that it is at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 04:21 AM

.. or 'brainunstimulated' by barely literate druggie hopeless parents...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: BobL
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 04:10 AM

far less likely to be brainwashed by lefty teachers
Brainwashed by lefty (or righty) parents instead...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 06:57 PM

I was opposed to the amalgamation of the NUT and the ATL to form the massive NEU. Teachers have never been militant enough, and during my career I saw classes get bigger, bureaucracy burgeon, pay freezes imposed for years, ignorant Ofsted inspectors breathing repressively down teachers' necks, out-of-school time swallowed up by compulsory excessive preparation, meeting after pointless meeting and over-detailed marking regimes, not to speak of turning teachers into box-tickers and children into test-zombies so that schools could be shamed in league tables. In my heart of hearts I'm still that militant leftie London NUT attack-dog of the 70s :-) but now I sit here, long-retired as a sleeping (in more ways then one) retired member...but still a member....

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 05:57 PM

"education remains the sector with the highest proportion of union members"

No wonder the tories are sneakily relying on covid
to kill as many teachers
as they can get away with this winter...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 05:09 PM

I'll be a part of the Union 'til the day I die.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 04:56 PM

It seems that unionisation among teachers is falling.
This from 2018:
It follows the revelation in official government trade union statistics earlier this year that 48.1 per cent of the education workforce as a whole are now union members, down from 52.4 per cent in 2010. Despite this, however, education remains the sector with the highest proportion of union members.

From Here

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 04:46 PM

Bonzo do you have statistics to back this up,

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 04:21 PM

One of the biggest advantages of home schooling is that they are far less likely to be brainwashed by lefty teachers, and more likely to get a good grounding in British Empire history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 04:13 AM

Fears over Covid-19 have contributed to a dramatic increase in the number of parents homeschooling their children. ... The surge has led to a backlog of hundreds of applications waiting to be screened before being placed on the official home education register, a legal requirement for children not attending school.
There are differing opinions on the advantages and disadvantages of home schooling

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 04:32 PM

I googled the Expletive Deleted out of it. I did not get your results.

But hey, I had only been wondering since the 70's, and searching since they invented the Internet. I shoulda asked here first!

Love this place.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 07:28 AM

Mrrzy: Nigel Parsons jooc how on earth did you unearth my teacher's quote? I looked, a lot.
I just copy/pasted your French version into Google.
The Google results Here appeared to have the whole quotation in the fourth response listed. Little or no French required to find it (Just as well in my case!)

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 06:06 AM

I Think if teachers had smaller classes it might also help towards more successful teaching
here is a clip about an alternative school Summerhill, differnt educational approach again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B470LoeKTU4

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 03:55 PM

my schoolmsters did not make school fun, however Montessori schools had a different approach here is a clip about.. Montessori
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000824j

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 09:14 PM

Nigel Parsons jooc how on earth did you unearth my teacher's quote? I looked, a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 01:53 PM

I was made the school orchestra's tympanist and percussionist on the grounds that as a piano student I would have a good sense of rhythm. could use both hands independently, and read both bass and treble clefs.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Neil D
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 12:09 PM

This is only a Schoolmaster quote if you count a high school band director as one, but the "those who can't teach" references reminded me. My band director once said "if you can't play an instrument they give you two sticks and make you a drummer. If you can't even do that" he said holding up his baton "they take one away and make you the conductor."

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 09:10 AM

Ooh thanks Nigel Parons but it was Jean-Jacques Rousseau, from your marvy link:

La science progresse d’erreur en erreur et non de vérité en vérité.

Thank you thank you thank you.

Love this place.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 06:37 AM

My grammar school maths teacher murdered

He was a superb maths teacher.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 06:28 AM

One of my most formative experiences at school was when our form master kept the whole class in silent detention with our arms folded just staring ahead for an hour and a half because someone had stolen a doorknob and wouldn't own up. Neither had I stolen it nor did I have the faintest clue as to who had. Ever since then my antennae have been finely tuned for examples, large and small, of collective punishment, the sort of thing that states often mete out to their enemies or to minorities. So I suppose it did me good...


(He never did get the doorknob back, that b*ast*ard...)

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Acorn4
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 05:12 AM

!Who perpetrated that outrage?"

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 06:07 PM

Children, Children, CHILDREN

Stop squabbling, and you will learn something........................

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 02:21 PM

Appears to be Freidrich Hegel. See Here

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 02:06 PM

Back to original concept:

I had a physics/chemistry teacher say, La science progresse d'erreur en erreur [science advances from mistake to mistake] and I distinctly remember him claiming to be quoting, or paraphrasing, someone, but I have never been able to locate the original.

So maybe he came up with it. Still one of the best descriptions of the scientific method I've heard. That would have been in 197...7? 8?

If any reader knows the original, I would love to know who said it.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 01:05 PM

Dick - please stop your futile PMing me, it does not help you save face...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 01:03 PM

"Teachers have three loves: love of learning, love of learners, and the love of bringing the first two loves together."

Scott Hayden

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 12:39 PM

btw.. it would help if you STARTED your thread with a sensible into,
and not try to insert one cobbled together retrospectively
nearly 70 posts later...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 12:36 PM

Dick - please stop fannying about on this nonsense,
and maybe better use your time putting some of your good music videos together
for youtube...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 12:34 PM

if you want balance provide it , my experiences of schoolmasters was not good , well what prompted it ..a conversation i had with a friend in ireland about his education with the christian brothers, that got me thinking about all the bad schoolmasters i suffered of which i gave examples, satisfied. now please stop insulting me
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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker - PM
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 09:53 AM

"If some of the exteachers take offence and cannot admit that there were bad teachers and teaching, tough.
I do remember a minority of good teachers.. blah. blah. drone. drone..."


As well as being a dogmatic egotist folk singer, Dick is also an exceptional contortionist..

He has mastered the amazing skill of talking complete bollocks out of his arse...!!!

He must have learnt that from his private lessons...???

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 12:30 PM

well there is nothing to stop you trying to improve it[ in your opinion]by taking my suggestion up instead of this scoring of points, the same goes for you Dave, scoring of points and insulting peopleis a waste of time and energy, if you dont like the thread give some personal examples of good modern teaching,

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 11:30 AM

I thought you said that it was about schoolmaster's daft sayings and not teachers or teaching, Dick. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 11:28 AM

Dick - may I politely suggest you are now trying to rationalise the existence
of a completely pointless thread.

Why you opened it, and for what half baked purpose,
will still remain a mystery..

No matter how much you NOW try to make up a purpose
for what seemed an obvious ill judged gratuitous bash at the teaching profession...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 11:08 AM

My private music lessons taught me how to play, The music i now perform.i certainly did not learn what i have learned in school
   what is the point of the thread
well perhaps people might like to discuss. how school education has or has not improved. teaching may have improved, but has the school curriculum, perhaps people should stop being defensive and put forwerd some positives. I ignore personal abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 10:33 AM

Meself - Dick's inflated sense of self importance.

Shame really, because his dafter personality traits & obsessions,
only serve to undermine his stature
as a quite politically astute well respected folk musician and singer...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: meself
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 10:14 AM

Still wondering what the point of this thread is? Anybody?

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 09:53 AM

"If some of the exteachers take offence and cannot admit that there were bad teachers and teaching, tough.
I do remember a minority of good teachers.. blah. blah. drone. drone..."


As well as being a dogmatic egotist folk singer, Dick is also an exceptional contortionist..

He has mastered the amazing skill of talking complete bollocks out of his arse...!!!

He must have learnt that from his private lessons...???

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 08:22 AM

I only heard wisdom from orchestra conductors.
" Music is not just about flow and swells. You have to play the silences lovingly. Make them golden moments of anticipation and catching your breath. The silence can make us want to gasp in surprise."

( said during rehersals of Adagio for strings by Samual Barber)

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Jos
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 05:43 AM

'S' level should not be confused with the current 'AS' level. The 'S' level involved an additional exam requiring extra study as well as the normal 'A' level, and could lead to a State Scholarship (which, in effect, meant that your grant came from central government instead of from your local authority).

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 04:21 AM

Those who can - do.
Those who can't - teach.
Those who can't teach, teach teachers
We elect the rest

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 04:19 AM

Two of my wonderful grammar school teachers went 'above and beyond the call of duty' for me.
Mr Hunt spent an hour after school several times a week to coach me for 'S' Level French (which thanks to him I achieved)
Miss Baillie-Reynolds stepped in when it was found I needed Latin'O' Level in order to be accepted to study French and Linguistics at Edinburgh University. She had only one year to get me through the exam, starting from scratch. (I'd never had a single Latin lesson! Ours was a 'Technical Grammar School') I did it, fortunately.
Having been a teacher myself, I know only too well the utter exhaustion these two must have felt after a day's teaching, yet instead of heading home after the bell, they nobly stayed behind to coach me.
I have never forgotten them.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 04:06 AM

I must say I'm glad I didn't go to school in the UK. It sounds dreadful. quote
yes in the fifties and sixties it was in many ways. blackboard rubbers, chalk, thrown at pupils, boys ears pulled, the cane and corporal punishment AND the dunces cap. and then in ireland there were the christian brothers, who were not very christian
If some of the exteachers take offence and cannot admit that there were bad teachers and teaching, tough.
I do remember a minority of good teachers who gave up their spare time to give art lessons on sat mornings, the best teachers i ever had were out of music teachers, who taught privately

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 03:58 AM

I must say I'm glad I didn't go to school in the UK. It sounds dreadful.

What gives you that impression Ebbie? If I go off what I see on TV and film I get the impression that US schools are nothing but elitist groups, peer pressure and bullies. I am sure nothing is further from the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 03:43 AM

I spent my elementary school years in the American west, in Oregon. So yes, Mrrzy, 'smart' kids did skip a grade or two.

I must say I'm glad I didn't go to school in the UK. It sounds dreadful. I loved school. I loved books and 'traveling' to other lands. I remember how amazed - and kind of disappointed - I was to learn that schoolteachers got paid- I thought they taught for the love of it.

I am now close to the end of my life and my all-time favorite job in my life was tutoring, both in Basic English and in ESL Which I still do.

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 02:43 AM

F@ck knows what was GOING ON inside your head.??? quote punk folk rocker.
Song of the Swifts.
Flying high but never landing
Flighted shaft of love entrancing
Through the clouds so lightly dancing
do si do and then farewell
do si do and then farewell
I watched you gliding higher
Calling follow me for ever
Touching souls we soar together
Chorus
Flying for the sun were seeking
Cross the waves so swiftly fleeting
Never grounding loves fond feelings
chorus.
From the cliff face now the leaving
chasing sunbeams all the evening
joined in love our fusion weaving
Chorus
Flying high you started soaring
to the ground i kept on falling
Helpless till she heard the calling
chorus
High unto the cliff face leaving
Quivering heart so sadly weeping
Gentle hands that kindly freed me
chorus
copyright. Dick Miles 2020
Today as we are close to Remembrance sunday 11 OF NOVEMBER Remembrance day, I have been thinking and singing this song by Dominic Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ5xZQVkhak that is what goes on in my fecking head

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 06:45 PM

Sam Cocks - master at QE Boys Barnet - "put your hand down boy and stop trying to tell me something I already know"!!

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 03:53 PM

Well, Jos, my favourite pretentious Latinism is "post hoc ergo propter hoc," which refers to that well-known logical fallacy that says that something that happened after an event must have happened because of that event.

"Prior to" can ALWAYS be replaced with good old "before." "Albeit" (which almost died out, deservedly, over a hundred years ago but which has undergone a puzzling renaissance in recent years) can ALWAYS be replaced with good old "though" or "although." See, you've got ME shouting now...

Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 02:56 PM

I think we understand using capitals for one word in order to emphasis that particular word.

I believe that to be an acceptable nuance.

What I believe to be unacceptable is the use of capital letters to name a thread or the use of capitals to construct a whole sentence.

I, in my ignorance at the time, was corrected about this some years ago.

I am open to correction if this is not the case.