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BS: 2021 vaccination thread

Stilly River Sage 11 Feb 21 - 09:12 PM
mg 11 Feb 21 - 04:51 PM
robomatic 11 Feb 21 - 03:55 PM
Stilly River Sage 11 Feb 21 - 08:47 AM
Stilly River Sage 10 Feb 21 - 08:47 PM
Thompson 10 Feb 21 - 06:22 PM
robomatic 10 Feb 21 - 02:58 PM
Stilly River Sage 10 Feb 21 - 01:20 PM
Tattie Bogle 10 Feb 21 - 12:42 PM
DMcG 10 Feb 21 - 10:07 AM
Bonzo3legs 10 Feb 21 - 09:29 AM
mg 09 Feb 21 - 11:52 PM
Stilly River Sage 09 Feb 21 - 12:41 PM
Senoufou 09 Feb 21 - 12:26 PM
Senoufou 09 Feb 21 - 12:22 PM
Allan Conn 09 Feb 21 - 09:53 AM
Bonzo3legs 09 Feb 21 - 09:05 AM
Thompson 09 Feb 21 - 08:54 AM
Stilly River Sage 09 Feb 21 - 01:38 AM
Bill D 08 Feb 21 - 08:34 PM
Senoufou 08 Feb 21 - 04:20 PM
Stilly River Sage 08 Feb 21 - 03:32 PM
fat B****rd 08 Feb 21 - 11:55 AM
Mrrzy 07 Feb 21 - 09:28 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 09:12 PM

On MSNBC just now they have reported that over the last week they've had at least one million vaccinations a day, and today they reached 2 million.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: mg
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 04:51 PM

i had first moderna yesterday. no problems. sore arm if i raise it or sleep on it but dormant no discomfort. i tend to have the i survived the potato famine genes so i am probably somewhat hardy.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 03:55 PM

Second Jab: Wednesday (yesterday) about 0830.
No immediate effect. Over the day walked the dog as usual and felt very much as usual, a bit achy but not out of the ordinary. Towards evening I felt I was running a slight temperature. Checked it with my magic VICKS want from Costco, and it was as high as 99 deg F (or about 37.5 C if my calcs are correct). But I felt otherwise okay. Temp. did not go any higher.

Normal sleep.

24 hours later, feel fine, temp. normal (98F 36.7C). So I'd say I had little reaction, but perceptible. It would not have caused me to miss work if I was currently working. And no induced cough, which I felt I did have after first jab.

So my basic advice is: Drink some water before and again after. Stay cheerful. Bring a sudoku or crossword puzzle in case you have a wait. As the Brits (used to) say: "Keep your pecker up!"


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 08:47 AM

It's a very achy morning, a flashback to the polymyalgia rheumatica I finally got rid of back in 2018. I won't hop on the steroids, though, I'll stick with alternating Motrin and Tylenol for the next day or two.

I'm very glad to have it out of the way, but I will have more to report to the CDC when they send their daily text asking how I'm feeling.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 08:47 PM

This county is easily doing hundreds of people a day, depending on how many other locations they have around the county. I'm guessing there were 100 to 200 of us at today's cattle call from 10-11, and they probably have several hours scheduled during the day (with time for cleaning built in?).

The state has FEMA setting up three large vaccination sites set up at various stadiums to vaccinate underserved communities (getting to the stadium will be one part of this - have they thought about that?)

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/10/texas-coronavirus-vaccines-fema/

Three federally-run mass vaccination sites aimed at underserved communities are expected to open before the end of the month in Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth, Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday.

The sites will be run by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and state emergency management officials, and are described as "pilot sites" in the national effort to speed up the nation's COVID-19 vaccine distribution effort.

The sites, which are currently being adapted for the effort, are NRG Stadium in Houston, AT&T Stadium in Arlington and Fair Park [the state fair fairgrounds] in Dallas. All three are expected to open on Feb. 24, with more details to be released later about how eligible Texans can register for the vaccine in those locations, Abbott said.

More sites in Texas could be added if the pilots are successful, FEMA officials said.

Combined, the three sites are expected to administer more than 10,000 shots per day, said Seth Christensen, spokesperson for the Texas Division of Emergency Management.

“These mass community sites will allow us to expand access to COVID-19 vaccinations in underserved communities and help us mitigate the spread of the virus," Abbott said in a statement. "Thank you to our partners at FEMA for working with the state of Texas to establish these vaccination sites and help us protect our most vulnerable."

Communities of color are not only being disproportionately affected by the virus, but also receiving the vaccine in lower numbers than their white counterparts.

The sites are part of a national effort to achieve President Biden’s goal of administering 1.5 million shots per day and make the vaccine widely available by spring.


The rest of the story is at the link.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 06:22 PM

That's a nice thought for a tip, Stilly. And the water suggestion is great, robomatic.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 02:58 PM

Just got home after receiving my second jab. Like my first (see above, 15 January, I received mine via the Anchorage School District which some brilliant member of the local Deep State put together. Again, school nurses, some of 'em coaxed out of retirement, very well organized with many people in vests making sure that everyone got their paperwork, knew where to go, and stayed afterwords for a 15 minute reaction check. I think I was in and out within about 40 minutes, including the final wait. No immediate reaction, I'm giving myself 48 hours from now to judge after effects.

The only preparation I made was to drink at least a pint of water before, and again after. I've found it works well for blood donating, and I didn't think it would do any harm today.

My friends who have a couple years on me got theirs yesterday afternoon. No immediate reaction, no problems sleeping, but one of 'em is experiencing 'brain fog' today.

Mo Layta!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 01:20 PM

It was interesting this morning on my trip for the second shot. On Jan. 20 they were giving first and second vaccines, sorting people into two groups once they were inside, and the window of arrival was larger.

This time they had an hour in which everyone was getting just Pfizer, and we were all there for our second shot, and though the line was long, once inside it went fast. And the county had called FEMA to help. I quizzed people as they went past - we had workers here from Houston, from nearby in North Texas, from Arizona and from Louisiana. There were others I didn't have time to ask - but I thanked every one of them. While in line I spoke with the fellow behind me, a public works supervisor in a town on the north side of the county. I handed him one of my masks, a large size, because I could see that he was at least six inches taller than me and probably needed the extra coverage. He was pleased with the offering.

My shot was given by a Fort Worth fire fighter, fast, efficient, and painless, assisted by the FEMA worked from Houston. I handed masks to the firefighter and the FEMA worker at my table, and they were also happy to receive the offering. It's my version of a non-cash "tip" for this day and age.

It was effing cold out there and they set up LP gas heaters, but due to the parking lot on one side of the path, weren't able to set them efficiently so the hot air would be carried by the breeze. Safety prohibited that placement, but they were doing what they could to keep people a little bit warmer. Through various means, this county has managed to set up an efficient system for the vaccines, while next door Dallas County seems to be falling all over itself with bickering from the state protesting their attempts to serve underserved communities. There was a good racial mix in my line at the event today, though I have no way of knowing if any of us were from underserved communities. I think the attitude is "if we make it available they will come," and they're giving the shots to all comers in the eligible groups. They're using the vaccine as fast as they can get it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 12:42 PM

Finally got a phone call from our GP’s surgery on Monday, and was given an appointment for tomorrow, as well as a second appointment for May. Just hoping the heavy snow we have had won’t stop me going tomorrow! The neighbours have dug the road out again, in the absence of any snow ploughs or gritters down side roads.
I gather the appointments for the mass vaccination centres in Edinburgh are being sent out by some agency based in Glasgow, who have absolutely no idea of the geography of our city: lots of folk I know being sent miles across town, while there’s a much nearer centre almost on their doorstep! Some people have been able to change their appointments to nearer home; others not.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 10:07 AM

Just booked mine for Friday - my wife's birthday. She is turning 65, so has probably just missed being in the 65-70 bracket !


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 09:29 AM

I had no side effects from my vaccination yesterday, it was done so well that I never felt a thing!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: mg
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 11:52 PM

i found out yesterday i was number 1,006 for my area. was in no haste to get it but now i have a family situation in seattle that will require me to take public transportation etc. anyway, got a call from local pharmacy saying to come tomorrow. i am carless. will get a dial a ride down there but got to thinking what if i am one of the sick ones after..i said don't worry i'll walk the four miles home...bus not available. but that would be hard if i was to faint etc. but i am hardy and probably will not be bothered at all. and there is a taxi.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 12:41 PM

Another mondegreen created! Very nice!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 12:26 PM

Oh, and enjoy your cake Bonzo! I had a Morrisons little coffee cake as my 'prize'. Gorgeous!
In the Daily Mail letters page, a grandmother told her small granddaughter that she was going to be vaccinated. The child asked her if she would be having the Asda Vinegar one! Since reading that, I've been calling it the Asda Vinegar in my head.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 12:22 PM

You're right Allan. My sister lives in Tayside and had a phone call yesterday afternoon summoning her for her vaccination in Dundee today. But she woke this morning and her car was buried under loads of snow and the roads were impassable. She spent two hours trying to contact the organisers to say she couldn't make it.
Luckily she eventually got through and the lady has rescheduled it for Friday (snow permitting)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Allan Conn
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 09:53 AM

There were huge numbers vaccinated in Scotland last week and it ramped up even more yesterday when the figure was over 61,000. That equates to about 750,000 for the day on a UK population basis. The snow won't help today though I imagine.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 09:05 AM

Glad you're OK Senoufou, I'm off to doctor's surgery for my first jab in 10 minutes. I was going to walk because of icy roads, but our side road is clear so I'll drive and drop into Sainsbury's on the way back for a cake as my prize!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 08:54 AM

Those dating site people are being foolish. Having the vaccine stops you getting (very) sick; it's not known whether it stops you giving others the virus if you're carrying it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 01:38 AM

In hindsight I'd say that the following week I felt rather lethargic (more than usual). The call from the county came this evening, my appointment is later this week and has been accepted. This is for shot number two of the Pfizer.

The news this evening said that the vaccinations are picking up the pace, that in the US now 10% of the people have had at least 1 dose of the vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 08:34 PM

Had mine last Friday.Moderna.
Sore arm for a couple days. I feel fine. It was well run, with 25 or more volunteers directing traffic and lines.... and over 15 stations giving the shots. I'd guess there were over 150 in line at any one time, but lines moved quickly.
(Montgomery County, MD)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 04:20 PM

Merci Mrrzy!
Felt rather tired today, and have stayed in bed dozing. Injected arm isn't sore, but what is strange is that the other arm is!
This evening I'm feeling much better, and have no other side-effects to report.
Please don't have any worries about the Vaccine - It's as easy as pie!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 03:32 PM

I've heard on the news that a popular way people are introducing themselves on some of the online dating sites is to announce their status as far as receiving the vaccine - and those who are through the process are in a better position to start meeting people again.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: fat B****rd
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 11:55 AM

I'm due mine at Dunfermline Athletic football ground on Friday at 12.32. Just thought I'd mention that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 09:28 PM

Bien bon, Senoufou.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 01:02 PM

Just got back from our Doctor's Surgery. So well-organised. In and out in minutes. Was given the Astra Zeneca vaccine. Didn't hurt at all.
Back in 4-12 weeks for the second one.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 11:30 AM

I'm listing various events simply to place a date prior to COVID. I didn't look it up, but I imagine you knew that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Allan Conn
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 11:14 AM

Aye Steve the UN has stated that the Israel has the moral duty to vaccinate everyone in the occupied territories whether Jewish settlers or Palestinians.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 10:52 AM

There was no SARS vaccine, Maggie.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 10:37 AM

Yes, and at one time there was a program in the US that had to do with making sure that doses of vaccines were delivered to poorer countries (you have to look back to SARS or Ebola or Bird Flu, etc.). I hope the Biden folks have built that back into the International outreach (or are working on it as I type).

The State Department has a lot to do with this, as do other federal agencies, so there are any number of places to start looking for the answer to this distribution problem. If all of the vaccine is hogged by rich countries the virus in the wild will go through a lot of mutations and come back to bite everyone in the ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 10:23 AM

The USA is all over the place with vaccinations, as each state is different. New Hampshire actually seems to have its shit together, and our Republican governor has been excellent throughout this whole thing. The appointment-making website is confusing a lot of people, who can't get their second-dose appointment, so now, when you get the first, they give you an appointment for the second. So having a date for the first shot in March has allowed them time to work that particular bug out. I can last.

I don't know how hard I tried to get this across when I was still working in public health, but basically, your health depends on your brother/sister's health. One lunchtime debate I remember was when someone took a Libertarian point of view*. People should pay to be considered part of society, and eligible for benefits such as health care.
The problem with that was/is, when the have-nots get communicable diseases, you get them, too. Diseases don't care about how much money or power people have.
The virus will continue replicating and mutating in countries that don't get vaccines, and those mutations will end up on our doorstep. Some of them may involve vaccine-resistant strains.

We ARE our brother's keeper.

* He was a doctor, my boss's boss's boss, and one of his specialties was public health. He just liked to debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 05:31 AM

"I just wish one of the Arab states would set up a vaccination programme for Palestine, for the safety of both the Palestinians and the Israelis."

Well, as Israel controls those occupied territories I should think that, morally speaking, that's their job.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 04:46 AM

Well my husband (same age as me in years) got his on Tuesday at one of those mass vax centres in a conference hall, but I’m still waiting...........no letter, no phone appointment, and no, you can’t just turn up without an appointment letter: my husband saw several uninvited people who had come along with invited partners being turned away. This in spite of Nicola Sturgeon’s promise that all those in age bracket 70-74 would have at least had notification of a first appointment by Friday 5th. There seems to be a problem with those who are 74 but nearly 75, such as myself: several people I know also not been called by either channel yet. It is very confusing, frustrating and anxiety-generating.
However....we had reason to contact our GP on another matter, and I mentioned that I hadn’t heard yet about a vaccination: he has confirmed that I would be done at the GP surgery and should be contacted some time during this coming week. I won’t really believe it until the needle is in my arm!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 11:43 PM

The vaccine(s) seem to be pretty good at stamping on the virus's toes; in Israel, where they've vaccinated virtually all of the population, the numbers of sick are dropping fast. (I just wish one of the Arab states would set up a vaccination programme for Palestine, for the safety of both the Palestinians and the Israelis.)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 04:51 PM

keb:

I was actually a little hesitant about writing what I wrote. In fact, when I was getting the news from my friend first I said:

"If it's a bad reaction I don't want to know because my mind will make my body react that way!"
then I said:
"Well, I DO want to know if it's been everybody you know (it was three persons)!"
and now I say: "It's worth knowing but don't believe it's a given thing. Half the time it's a way people have to convince themselves that it's the real vaccine and it will really work."

The mind is a terrible thing sometimes.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 03:15 PM

Robomatic, thanks for the warning about
the effects of the second dose of coronavirus vaccine.
My appointment for my second vaccination
is two weeks from today.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Lurcherman
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 03:13 PM

I volunteered for the Novovax trial, from reports on the BBC the preliminary results look to be good. First jab gave me the symptoms of flu but they soon went, second jab no symptoms at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 01:53 PM

The weather forecast for Norfolk warns of up to a foot of snow tomorrow and very high winds. Husband should be driving me over to a village six miles away for my vaccination in the early evening. Our funny neighbour has offered to lend us his tractor (it has a cabin)! I'm really tempted to take him up on his offer, but I reckon the vaccinations will be cancelled.
Talk about arriving in style!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 01:47 PM

The World Health Organisation have warned against the first world hoarding vaccines when the third world is in desperate need.
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general, warned of "catastrophic moral failure" and that this could destroy our economy, while Mike Ryan, WHO's chief of emergencies, said the rich were “fighting over the cake” when when frontline health workers in poor countries “don’t even have access to the crumbs”.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 11:44 AM

Not ten minutes ago on the radio I heard a story of a younger man who was in a pharmacy when he was offered a jab. He was in DC the day of the 'insurrection' (JAN06) and stopped in for supplies, and the cashier told him the doses were defrosted and available with no scheduled takers. He and an older man who was on the scene got the shots.

Apparently this included a scheduled second shot and it gave him a noticeable reaction as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 06:36 AM

That's the trouble with a hobby you enjoy for 40 years or more, you're in danger of finding it's no longer a young person's thing.

When I had my vaccination, I was sitting in the medical centre, waiting my turn. I was looking at the others either side of me when I suddenly realised - this was a queue of old people .... and me!


DC


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Allan Conn
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 06:23 AM

Re the queue thing. I suppose it depends on folk's principles too. There was some criticism here in the UK, in Wales to be more specific, that council workers who were not front line in the fight against the pandemic were on some occassions able to get vaccines before the aged, before the more vulnerable and before the front line workers. Don't know the specifics and if it was exaggerated by the press but I suspect that might have stopped now with the negative press. So if someone feels it may not be their turn then you can only admire their principles.

Saying that to ensure the roll out is smooth and numbers keep up they do start vaccinating people in the next group down the priority list before everyone in the higher group has had it. Otherwise time would be wasted finishing off the dribs and drabs before the next vaccination list.

Also there is the issue of potential wastage. If at the end of the day there is some left over (which may for instance be Pfizer which may be nearing its got to use it now limit) then it would be a crime to waste it rather than get it in the nearest suitable arm.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 05:19 AM

Of course it's your turn if offered by a legitimate authority, how can anyone think otherwise???????


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: BobL
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 03:08 AM

Last night's Zoom meeting with members of one of the local country dance clubs, the conversation turned to vaccinations (mine's booked BTW). And I thought: what does this tell us about the age of country dancers these days? That's the trouble with a hobby you enjoy for 40 years or more, you're in danger of finding it's no longer a young person's thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Feb 21 - 07:38 PM

Just went hiking with my dog walking buddy. Three of her friends, various ages, just had their second jabs. All had stronger reactions than they had after their first jabs. Feeling sick and flu-like.

We're getting ours next week.

All are mRNA vaccines (Moderna or Pfizer).

Most people I see or observe are maintaining mask wearing and distancing. And for now Alaska State numbers are going down.

Ebbie if you're reading this your mileage may vary. I hope you are not unduly affected by yesterday's news out of Canada: Canada extends cruise ship ban through Feb 2022

Right now that is bad news for Alaska State tourism, and it's not clear that American legislation can or will alleviate it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 08:38 PM

Mrrzy:

I understand your laudable desire for your 'proper' turn. Practically speaking, when you get offered it by a legitimate authority, it IS your turn. Once done, you can continue your job all the better for it. As much as an ordered progression of recipients getting dosed in their time is admirable, things do not necessarily happen that way. The very fact that you got offered a jab is evidence of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 07:24 PM

The big hospital system based in my home town in Washington did an email promotion to their donors who are eligible age-wise, but it didn't go over well that this group in an entitled demographic were offered this as a perk for being donors. I suspect the simple act of dividing resources and addressing both those over 65 AND hard-hit zip codes (something Dallas tried to do last month) is too simple for the Texas state executives who seem to have no idea and don't leave it to the medical professionals.

What is happening in New York State, where they waged such a successful battle after being inundated last spring but have since stumbled all over themselves, is an example. A politician decided to ask hospitals to do something that public health officials already had a hand on and were planning to do. And now many of those top health officials are quitting or going to other jobs within the state. It's such a waste of talent.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 12:01 PM

I have been helping route traffic at a vax site, and they offered us jabs, but I said I'd wait till it was my actual turn. No comorbidity, under 60, I can wait.

Meanwhile our big hospital has apparently been jabbing *all* their staff, even the computer coders working from home, and not jabbing the public, even old people or those with risk factors. Shame, I say.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 11:05 AM

Excellent post, Thompson, and Dahl would absolutely be the first to make this case if he were still around.

I was listening to a discussion on NPR (National Public Radio) this weekend and the conclusion of the guest being interviewed (I can't remember which program to post a link) is that the best way to reverse the views of those who are vaccine averse is to have a one-on-one conversation with them. Especially if that person talking to them has experience with the disease or the vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 09:01 AM

What's the proportion of people who would have died anyway? - can be deduced from "excess deaths" - for the UK worst since WW2 see BBC story

In Ireland that would appear to be 2 to 3000

The people who would have died anyway would have died over a longer period, because we keep them alive longer these days. So the excess deaths reflect the surge.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 05:36 AM

Roald Dahl's little girl got measles in 1962, shortly before the vaccine was developed. He wrote about it:
(the link also leads to Dahl's children's charity)
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Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn't do anything.

"Are you feeling all right?" I asked her.

"I feel all sleepy," she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her. That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.

On the other hand, there is today something that parents can do to make sure that this sort of tragedy does not happen to a child of theirs. They can insist that their child is immunised against measles. I was unable to do that for Olivia in 1962 because in those days a reliable measles vaccine had not been discovered. Today a good and safe vaccine is available to every family and all you have to do is to ask your doctor to administer it.

It is not yet generally accepted that measles can be a dangerous illness. Believe me, it is. In my opinion parents who now refuse to have their children immunised are putting the lives of those children at risk. In America, where measles immunisation is compulsory, measles like smallpox, has been virtually wiped out.

Here in Britain, because so many parents refuse, either out of obstinacy or ignorance or fear, to allow their children to be immunised, we still have a hundred thousand cases of measles every year. Out of those, more than 10,000 will suffer side effects of one kind or another. At least 10,000 will develop ear or chest infections. About 20 will die.

LET THAT SINK IN.

Every year around 20 children will die in Britain from measles.

So what about the risks that your children will run from being immunised?

They are almost non-existent. Listen to this. In a district of around 300,000 people, there will be only one child every 250 years who will develop serious side effects from measles immunisation! That is about a million to one chance. I should think there would be more chance of your child choking to death on a chocolate bar than of becoming seriously ill from a measles immunisation.

So what on earth are you worrying about? It really is almost a crime to allow your child to go unimmunised.

The ideal time to have it done is at 13 months, but it is never too late. All school-children who have not yet had a measles immunisation should beg their parents to arrange for them to have one as soon as possible.

Incidentally, I dedicated two of my books to Olivia, the first was 'James and the Giant Peach'. That was when she was still alive. The second was 'The BFG', dedicated to her memory after she had died from measles. You will see her name at the beginning of each of these books. And I know how happy she would be if only she could know that her death had helped to save a good deal of illness and death among other children.

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Dahl's letter remains eerily appropriate today, in light of the ongoing and expanding measles outbreak centered in California. More than 100 cases have now been confirmed in 14 states across the U.S., including Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, Nebraska, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington state. According to the latest figures from the California Department of Public Health, at least 91 of the cases are in California, 58 of which have been linked to the outbreak that began in Disneyland last month. The degree and scale of this outbreak (in the past thirty days, California has seen more confirmed measles cases than it typically sees in a year) has been pinned to the obstinacy, ignorance, and fear of those who would refuse their children, and anyone else unable to vaccinate for legitimate medical reasons, the protection immunization affords.


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