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Whalers and chanteys?

Planetluvver 22 Jun 21 - 03:12 PM
GUEST,maeve 22 Jun 21 - 03:49 PM
GUEST,Phil d'Conch 22 Jun 21 - 04:24 PM
The Sandman 22 Jun 21 - 04:25 PM
GUEST,Phil d'Conch 22 Jun 21 - 04:56 PM
Steve Gardham 22 Jun 21 - 05:56 PM
GUEST,Phil d'Conch 22 Jun 21 - 08:44 PM
Steve Gardham 23 Jun 21 - 09:33 AM
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Subject: Whalers and chanteys?
From: Planetluvver
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 03:12 PM

In a thread (see below) regarding work songs aboard boats, someone introduced the idea that traditions may have varied among the various types of sea trade. They said there was a lack of evidence for whalemen using chanteys.

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=167430&messages=101

Since that thread ranged far and wide and my topic was a mere blip in the discussion, I thought I would start a new thread.

Gale Huntington's "The Gam: More Songs the Whalemen Sang" ISBN: 978-1-935243-96-0 might help answer the question. This book is a sequel to his previously published "Songs the Whalemen Sung."

I just wanted to mention this. A search for "the gam" in the forum did not show evidence for this book being discussed on the forum.

Having done some sailing, I enjoy singing chanteys and sea music, both old and modern.


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Subject: RE: Whalers and chanteys?
From: GUEST,maeve
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 03:49 PM

Search for the discussion "Books by Gale Huntington-Whalemen, Songs of People" "The Gam" is mentioned there by a few folks.


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Subject: RE: Whalers and chanteys?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 04:24 PM

FYI: The 'other' forum is in chronological order beginning c.300BC, albiet disjointed of late. It's up to the century mark in posts yet still dawdling in the 16th century AD. Huntington is 21st century. I don't know the we'll ever make it that far.

A lot of your findings will depend on your specific definition of the (sub)genre.

Gibb: I have sung the St. Vincent/Grenadines "whalers" version of "Shenandoah" -- which I know from hearing the whalers sing it themselves -- while rowing a whaleboat. 'Shenandoah' rhythm/meter

There are also a few small boat examples in the Bahamian Deep River of Song catalog IIRC, though I don't know as I would mark them down as work songs myself. More for the tourist and fun.

I was a bit suprised the North American Basque whaling fleets turned up nothing in the other forum so far. They sailed by the tens and hundreds of thousands per season but nada song... so far.


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Subject: RE: Whalers and chanteys?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 04:25 PM

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Subject: RE: Whalers and chanteys?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 04:56 PM

That Bahamian When the Whale Get Strike tune I was thinking of is here: Subject: RE: Penguin: The Greenland Whale Fishery.

It's even the same fishing grounds as the Basque... huh!


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Subject: RE: Whalers and chanteys?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 05:56 PM

I'm pretty sure this will have been mentioned in previous threads but whaling was on its way out by the time the chanty era was starting. It's pretty certain that some latterday whalemen would have known chanties but we simply have no records of them using them. The British whalemen's journals are few and far between and those that have survived show no evidence of chantying. Unlike the American journals they don't even contain songs, except for a few written by the likes of ships surgeons, but none of these entered oral tradition.


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Subject: RE: Whalers and chanteys?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 08:44 PM

Had a quick peek ahead in the notes and there are about ten references to whalers chanting and singing at work. All ten are in the 19th century and are already mentioned in Gibb's The Advent and Development of Chanties thread.

This isn't counting all the Reubens & Ranzos & gones for a whaler &c. Can't say what else might turn up. My reading list is a disaster area.


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Subject: RE: Whalers and chanteys?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 23 Jun 21 - 09:33 AM

Are any of these whalemen based in the Arctic or the Pacific? Are any of them obviously British whalemen? I'm aware of a group of coastal based whalers in North America who sang when doing some of the labouring on the carcases and rowing. I wonder how many apply to haliard work or working the mechanics of the ship. Just interested.


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