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Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 - (12!)
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Nov 21 - 02:18 PM YeaH, I miss Fry's. Twenty years ago, it was a wonderland. In the ten years before it closed, it always looked like a failing business. It was never completely stocked - a huge store with lots of empty shelves. It was a wonderful source for computer equipment, but I think it made a mistake trying to sell televisions and appliances and candy bars and such. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Nov 21 - 02:35 PM Joe, I found some good small appliances there (vacuums, crock pots, microwave, etc.) at good prices. And things like the detergent that goes in my carpet cleaner. But I also thought the last few years it had the look of going out of business without saying so. Microsoft fixes Windows 11 features failing due to an expired certificate Windows 11 features are no longer failing to load If you’re running Windows 11, you should be offered the KB5008295 update today, and it will automatically install from Windows Update. This patch does require a reboot, and Microsoft notes it will address all of the issues from the expired certificate, including the accounts page in Windows 11 with S mode failing to load. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 05 Nov 21 - 03:35 PM Well, I'm a convert to affordable Chromebook 'laptops' for quick easy convenient general purpose net surfing.. Better than tablets and mobile phones, and none of the PITA of microsoft.. Mine are Lenovo N22 - manufactured aimed at schools, so they are sturdy durable construction. The only real disadvantage with chromebooks is they come with a fixed date for becoming obsolete and no longer provided with system updates. Approx 5 or 6 years. Mine are due to stop updating within the next 12 months. This is important to know if tempted by cut price deals. You must enquire how long they have left for updates. The hardware should still work for ages after, but without security and system updates. Maybe they can be hacked for linux ????? The latest affordable chromebooks are far more powerful and capable tech specs than my dependable little workhorses, which are starting to slow down and freeze under the strain of 2021 bloated web pages... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Nov 21 - 10:56 AM A question: if you've done a recent Win 11 install (versus installing it last summer when it first came out) how much of your regular software did you have to fiddle with to get things back to how you use them? Did it delete features you like? Did you have to re-set your browser tabs, etc? A friend called today to ask if I'd make the transition to 11, and we agreed it's a good thing to wait until a few people have already done it and the bugs are worked out (as much as they EVER work out the bugs). I've posted to this thread when I see articles about Win 11, but I may soon be joining the ranks of those to take the plunge. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:16 AM Everything worked as with Windows 10, but Windows Update has been a little sticky over the last couple of days. Don't forget you can go back to Windows 10 within 10 days of installation. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:34 AM Bonz - I wouldn't trust microsoft on that promise... Back when win 10 was introduced as free offer install, I bought a brand new win 8.1 PC and immediately before using it for anything else, 'upgraded' to win 10.. After several days struggling with problems, I decided to give up and roll back to Win 8.1. Didn't work out so well, as 8.1 was now buggy, and some functions were broken. I'm now prepared to consider win 10 might be more reliable for another attempt with a laptop this time.. But bugger win 11 - won't even consider risking it until I ever buy a new computer... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Nov 21 - 12:43 PM My friend is getting popup messages urging him to update to Win 11. I haven't gotten those - so either my computer upgraded stealthily and I'm not aware of it (I say humorously - I doubt that very much) or I'm on a different schedule of notifications from the company. This is a Dell and I get Dell update screens every so often, so it might arrive with one of those. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 07 Nov 21 - 01:08 PM I've had those popups on both our Win 10 machines, neither of which get close to the hardware requirements for Win 11 One is 11 years old. You need to to run the hardware checker program. Reverting from Win 11 to Win 10 'should work' - but it depends on what's happened to the system since. And on everything going right! On the subject of reversion, MS has invented a novel (I think) way of generating the scripts which revert files to their state before update: 'Reverse Update Data Generation'. How Microsoft reduced Windows 11 update size by 40% For more detail see also the links in that piece. You can see why reversion might not work! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Jon Freeman Date: 08 Nov 21 - 08:31 AM I've had the very occasional BSOD (black in Win 11) on my PC. This may or may not be down to the 16GB PC 3600 RAM I fitted. I only looked at Crucial's site after ordering the memory from mazon. Crucial's info said it wasn't compatible with my motherboard. Other websites suggested that speed memory should be OK. I couldn't get it to work stably at full speed but using the board's default 2667 seemed OK. Windows own memory test (sticking with default settings) gives an OK. I've been entirely on Linux for the last 4 days and haven't had any problems. But BSODs have crept into Win 11 for some reason. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 08 Nov 21 - 03:31 PM Oh yes, I just pulled the plug, restarted and it was fine. I'm on version 21H2 22000.282 on both unsupported PCs! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Nov 21 - 03:39 PM BSOD isn't a harbinger of good things, Jon! I hope you work it out! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 08 Nov 21 - 04:59 PM Best to regularly make system restore points, so that you can go back to a working system. There are plenty of videos showing how to get to the troubleshooting screen from BSOD!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 09 Nov 21 - 03:41 PM Windows 11 KB5007215 update downloading as I type - so unsupported PCs not in the mire yet!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:01 PM Windows 11 updated to version 21H2 22000.318!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 13 Nov 21 - 03:38 AM Here's a reason not to update to Windows 11: If the latest Windows 11 really wants to use Edge, it will use Edge nomatter what Microsoft Windows 11 build 22494 prevents links associated with the Microsoft Edge browser from being handled by third-party applications, a change one developer argues is anticompetitive."Microsoft isn’t a good steward of the Windows operating system. They’re prioritizing ads, bundleware, and service subscriptions over their users’ productivity." The article mentions why the 'open this link in this browser' feature was invented - by Google Chrome, to overcome Apple's insistance on opening links in Safari. My guess is that this is an attempt to divert advertising from Google Chrome - which is the most-used browser - to Microsoft Edge. But I suspect Google will not be easy to embrace, extend, and extinguish |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 23 Nov 21 - 04:58 PM Update on Win11 installation on an unsupported PC - simply delete the appraiserres.dll file found in the Sources folder of the ISO, and disable the initial search for updates!!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Nov 21 - 08:11 AM Worked well with a random installation file set, 22000.192 which is an early version. I will roll back to Windiws 10 and use the latest ISO. No need to mess with the registry for TPM and secure boot bypass!!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 24 Nov 21 - 10:11 AM But apart from the fun of putting two fingers up to microsoft by defying and subverting their imposed restrictions.. .. is Win 11 actually worth all that effort...??? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Nov 21 - 06:23 PM No I don't think so. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Nov 21 - 12:54 PM So far my system hasn't nagged me to update. But I expect that to start one of these days. I tend to keep Microsoft at an arm's length, I don't logon to their network, I use a local computer password, etc. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 28 Nov 21 - 12:21 PM Update to version 22000.348 now on!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Backwoodsman Date: 11 Dec 21 - 02:20 PM So....has anyone 'upgraded' from Win 10 to 11 by the 'standard', straightforward method via MS-Updates, without playing about trying to outwit MS by being 'clever' and techno-geeky? If so...how did it go and does it play nice? Enquiring minds need to know... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Dec 21 - 03:24 PM That will be my approach when the time comes, but I'm not interested in wasting a day trying to put things back where I want them. Good luck if you're thinking about making the jump! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Backwoodsman Date: 11 Dec 21 - 03:48 PM Not really, but ‘Updates’ keeps nagging me to ‘upgrade’ - my Dell laptop is five months old and guaranteed, at the time I purchased it, to be ‘Windows 11-ready’. I don’t know anyone here in the Real World who has switched to 11, and the guys here who have switched seem to get off on trying to do it the most difficult way possible. I just wondered if anyone normal has switched by the recommended method, how the ‘upgrade’ process went, and how 11 performs. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Dec 21 - 07:39 AM Well, I have to assume that no-one has ‘upgraded’ to 11 by the ‘proper’ route then? Guess I’ll log out again and return to anonymity…. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 12 Dec 21 - 08:14 AM You need to find people with a compatible PC to answer your question Backwoodsman, but there is no reason I can see why not. Just remember that you have just 10 days to roll back to Windows 10 with data and software intact, otherwise a clean install of Windows 10 would be necessary, which is why I recommend making a clone of your hard disc before upgrading to Windows 11. Incidentally, I did an upgrade from 10 to 11 yesterday with wifi disconnected, which took less than half the usual time without the endless updates sequences. This produced version 22000.318 which was the October release. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Dec 21 - 10:19 AM "You need to find people with a compatible PC to answer your question Backwoodsman" yep, that's precisely what I was hoping to find when I posed my question above, Bonz! But it looks like only the Techno-Geeks and Backdoor-Boys have done it so far? I'm looking for the experiences of normal, old musician-types - people like me - who have no interest in buggering about for hours on end trying to defeat Microsoft, and who just want to know if the 'upgrade' works, and is Win 11 any good. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 12 Dec 21 - 12:46 PM Absolutely no point at all in upgrading to Windows 11, hardly any difference from Windows 10 in my view. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Dec 21 - 01:42 PM Thanks Bonz. I think I’ll stick with 10, it’s supported until 2025 so no mad rush… |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Dec 21 - 12:49 AM I don't think I did anything to speed up the installation of Window 11 on my computer. It just came up as a notification from Windows Update, and I accepted it. It seems to manage memory and resources better than Windows 10. I bought my Dell computer in March, 2020. I got a ready-made computer because COVID had slowed shipping of custom computers to about 6 months. Right away, I was disappointed that the performance of the new computer was so balky. I could type half a line before it appeared on the screen. I upgraded RAM to 32 Gb, and that didn't help much. But after I installed Windows 11, the computer ran a lot more smoothly. Nonetheless, I gave into temptation on Black Friday and bought the computer I should have bought last year. Now I have the fun job of moving to a new computer. The new computer had Windows 10 Pro, but offered me Windows 11 Pro during the setup process. But I can't use my new computer yet. It needs Display Port video cables if I want two monitors, so I have to wait for Amazon to deliver them. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Jon Freeman Date: 13 Dec 21 - 07:38 AM My PC is Windows 11 compatible. The Windows 11 Installation Assistant is a Microsoft approved method and I made no attempt to trick the installation program. I did however find shortcomings in the Microsoft program. My first installation attempt was made with an incompatible graphics card (insufficient Direct X???). The Microsoft program ought to have picked this up in its checks before proceeding with the upgrade but I only found out there was a problem when the program crashed with some cryptic error number. A third party program (a checker built into aomei partition assistant) revealed the incompatibility the MS program should have detected. I still had what I think were graphic card issues with the upgrades without the incompatible card installed but I was able to find my way through that. Again, I attribute this to failures in the MS program. Sine then, I have used the same Assistant method on my new Dell laptop. That went through without issue. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Dec 21 - 10:29 AM The first nag just appeared in the bottom of my screen last night. I pushed it out a week (and it tells me I can open one of the settings to push it to a farther out date. I'll do that when I'm not in the middle of something else.) I did see a screen telling me what from Windows 10 will go away - and I'll also take a look at that. My pattern has been to skip some of the new builds. I used Win7 on my main desktop, and then went to Win10. I didn't have a touch screen so didn't bother with the Win8 builds. Does anyone see a pressing reason for accepting the Win11 OS? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 14 Dec 21 - 08:13 AM None whatsoever, other than for fun. Easiest and fastest method is from a copy of a mounted ISO, with internet disconnected to avoid the endless update sequence, which can be done afterwards. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jan 22 - 01:16 PM Well, crap. I'm on the little laptop in the kitchen, the backup computer, while Windows 10 is reset in the desktop. I got a continuous loop that I couldn't get out of trying to do System Restore to get rid of a glitchy right-click context menu problem. System Restore was supposed to go back a month, but instead I have error code 00021a, and the computer is ignoring my existing regular backup, instead making a new one (onto my backup drive, duh) and the reinstalling Windows 10. Fuck it. I Guess I might as well install Windows 11 before going back to reinstall all of the non-Windows software that the reinstall is going to kill. Thoughts? Bonus point: I went over for a PCR COVID test this morning after feeling bad for a few days. The only place I've been in 2 weeks? I had to go to my doctor's office last week for a blood draw. Irony, illustrated. :-/ |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jan 22 - 08:00 PM Hours later, it is creeping along in the backup part of the operation. I should have disconnected the video drive. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jan 22 - 10:55 PM Reinstall failed? Geez. Whatever is happening here is not letting itself be remedied by usual measures. I'm rescuing data from the external drive backup because it wants to use that to install a clean OS that deletes all data. Everything is paused while data is copied to another external drive on the old non-Internet computer. This is a Windows 10 catastrophic crash. What a day. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Jan 22 - 08:17 AM Best to install with internet disconnected in that case, then much quicker to install. Updates can follow by forced manual update. Is your hard drive SSD? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jan 22 - 10:46 AM I don't have any installation software, it's coming from Dell, so it has to be via the Internet. I know - the days when they gave you a handful of DVDs felt like you had a little security as far as the operating system. Yes, I have a smaller SSD C: drive for programs and OS, D: drive and extra hard drive for the rest. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Jan 22 - 03:50 PM Why don't you download the Windows 11 iso from the microsoft site. Once downloaded, right click and mount the iso, copy all the files and folders to a new folder say on the desktop and run setup.exe and if your laptop is compatible with Windows 11 should install OK. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Jan 22 - 11:01 AM No new OSs on any other computers here until I get the main one up and running. I have a backup slowly wending from one drive to another because Windows assures me it will wipe all data on the drives once it does it's restoration of Win 10. The backup drive should be hands off, but that's just common sense, not the real world computer-wise. I've installed stuff from the backup before so once I have that information duplicated I can move forward. The thing I haven't done is call Dell or Windows. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Jan 22 - 04:27 PM Meanwhile, it testing land: Microsoft brings Jenny, Aria, and more interface tweaks to new Windows 11 Insider build Exorcising the ghost of Windows past Microsoft has dropped another Windows 11 Insider build into the hands of unpaid testers, demonstrating it is serious about tidying up the mismatch of user interface cues in its flagship operating system. Build 22543 arrived in the Dev Channel last night and while the company was keen to trumpet the arrival of more natural voices for its Narrator ("Jenny" and "Aria") and new keyboard commands, the updated visuals are a welcome bit of polish – particularly in light of the ravaging of Notepad and Task Manager. After finally sorting out hardware indicators for the brightness and volume, today's emission brought tweaks to the media controls on the lock screen (for some Insiders) so it looks more like the design in Quick Settings when they are signed in. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Jan 22 - 05:27 PM I was going to go ahead and upgrade to 11 but it wasn't offering an easy way to do it, so heck with it for now. It's enough of a mess trying to get 10 up and running again (lots of stuff to reinstall because it thinks the backup was wiped.) All of this for a glitch in the right click context menu. Oy. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Donuel Date: 02 Feb 22 - 05:33 PM Seems like there is a consensus to not do it? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Feb 22 - 07:31 PM There are a lot of people waiting - let them work out more of the bugs first. My routine in the past was to wait until there was the release of a major service pack to upgrade and fix things. I still have some of the academic versions on disk around here somewhere - they're very pretty and good to hang in the garden to scare off birds from the tomatoes. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Feb 22 - 12:15 PM I'm [still] ignoring Win11 for now. Do any of you backup to the cloud? What are you using and why did you choose it? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Apr 22 - 12:17 PM Updates still coming through OK on non compatible PCs! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Apr 22 - 04:05 PM Cloned my Windows 10 SSD to a second SSD this afternoon which booted up nicely in my 11 year old PC. I then upgraded that to Windows 11, keeping all software and data. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Apr 22 - 04:52 PM Keeping all software - now that's a trick! It isn't standard, is it? Usually you have to reinstall a bunch of stuff? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 26 Apr 22 - 07:42 AM He's done an 'in-situ' upgrade from 10 to 11, so installed applications should be unaffected. You should only have to reinstall your software if you've clean-installed Windows. I think that's always been true, but there were technical and licencing reasons why you couldn't upgrade in-situ. ISTR For example that you could upgrade 7 to 10 in-situ (I did) but not if you'd upgraded to 7 from Vista. Or something like that. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Apr 22 - 08:35 AM You need to download the ISO, then right click and "mount" it to see the folder/ fileset. Copy and paste into a new folder. Then delete appraiserres.dll in the sources folder, which will stop Windows 11 finding PC is non- compatible. Start the installation but stop it checking for updates. Chose to keep apps and data. |
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