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Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 - (12!)
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Jon Freeman Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:27 AM Way OT but it's not worth a new thread but here's a weird error message that pops up in shells on Linux on my deskto occasionallyp. I'm not sure I've seen another quite like it and it beats Windows BSODs: Message from syslogd@worthy at May 31 04:53:43 ... Whatever it means, things continue as normal and it doesn't seem to do any harm. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 05 Jun 22 - 12:04 PM Windows BSOD is nothing, tough luck if anyone doesn't keep a clone of the hard disk. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:59 PM Jon Freeman: At least your system's telling you something. It might be worth looking in the system logfiles for possibly-related messages .... that's how I found that my Linux laptop's occasional four-second pauses during boot were due to the solid-state disc getting remounted, which suggests it's wearing out. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Jon Freeman Date: 06 Jun 22 - 07:06 AM Thanks MaJoc... As far as I can make out, with my PC, it is an issue that can occur with certain AMD CPUs when IBS (apparently Instruction Based Sampling..) is enabled and the CPU goes into a certain power saving mode. AMD don't seem to have any plans for fixing it but it does not appear to cause any harm. I think it would happen with Windows PCs too but I don't know how they handle it. Linux, as we know, can make some odd protests but, on this PC, I don't get them often, every couple of days at most. As it stands, I'll just leave things alone. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 09 Jun 22 - 07:43 AM Windows 11 updates still being accepted by non-compatible PC, and wind back to Windows 10 still works - albeit very slow on HDD. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 12 Jun 22 - 05:38 AM Found a script which forbids Windows 11 to do compatibility checks, and oddly shows that Windows Server is being installed!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Donuel Date: 12 Jun 22 - 07:54 AM I have assumed without evidence that Windows 11 is to insure that no vestige of privacy remain. In this Brave New World AI in this country is on the side of consumerism, in China AI is on the control side. British democracy imo will be defeated by an algorithem and not an individual political party. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 12 Jun 22 - 08:14 AM What are you talking about, for a start you do not need a microsoft account. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 15 Jun 22 - 08:31 AM Interesting that during an upgrade to Windows 11 it stuck on 59%, because it appears, Windows 10 was trying to install an update!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 16 Jun 22 - 04:44 AM Finally got Windows 11 back on my spare PC, albeit not the current version. Updates are being a bit sticky. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 16 Jun 22 - 03:33 PM Left PC on when I popped home lunchtime to walk the greyhound - she lasted 20 yards in this heat!! Window 11 now nicely updated to latest version 22000.739 |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 22 Jul 22 - 11:10 AM Windows 11 now uploading nicely to version 22000.829 Had a chat with my PC tech this morning, apparently microsoft are relaxing hardware requirements for Windows 11, so there is hope when support for Windows 10 runs out in 2025!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 23 Sep 22 - 04:01 PM Windows 11 22H2, the annual big update will load on to incompatible PCs running Windows 10, but Settings didn't seem to be fully functional, neither was roll back to Windows 10. I think perhaps those bastards at microsoft are to blame. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Sep 22 - 05:16 PM I'm still using Win10 on both of my devices. There was an opportunity to upgrade to Win11 when I restored this desktop earlier this year, but the system didn't offer it at the time and I wasn't going to go looking for it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Sep 22 - 06:39 AM I still have Windows 10 on my main PC. My spare is now back on win11 ver 21h2 which will be supported until 2024. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Sep 22 - 07:30 AM I intend to get to the bottom of the 22H2 failings, no doubt others will have the same problem and a fix will appear in youtube!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Sep 22 - 03:15 PM Fixed - I used the wrong ISO, it must have the same language as existing operating system. NO problems when I used the English USA ISO!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Sep 22 - 03:52 PM ”I'm still using Win10 on both of my devices.” Me too, Maggie. Win 10 is slated for support until 2025, I’m sticking with it until I’m convinced Win 11 is a safe option with a problem-free upgrade routine. No-one I know in the Real World has upgraded thus far… |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Sep 22 - 04:52 PM I now have Windows 11 22H2 on a spare PC with a 3000Mhz processor - BIOS dated 09/03/11 without a microsoft account - so up yours microsoft!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Sep 22 - 08:42 PM John, in the next three years Windows 12 will probably appear, supplanting Win11. I quite often skip a generation of the Windows programs and go with the next one. Always getting the PRO version. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Sep 22 - 09:39 PM Yep, you’re probably right on the button there, Maggie! Time will tell but, in the meantime, Win 10 is working fine for me, and I see no reason to spend time, and risk hassles, upgrading to 11. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Sep 22 - 05:47 AM I now have Win11 right click context menus back to Win 10 format!!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 23 Oct 22 - 09:42 AM Well, here it is for anybody who can find a use for it: Microsoft's Windows Subsystem for Android finally gets its stable release |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Oct 22 - 08:24 AM My 11 year old spare PC is a dual core, but 2 further cores can be enabled in bios, which I did last night. Am I supposed to notice a difference in speed? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 26 Oct 22 - 09:19 AM Not necessarily, if you mean hyperthreading: what you get is each internal core looking like two, because it's being being timeshared between two threads. The illusion relies, amongst other things, on main memory being slower than the CPU core, so a single core would be busy-waiting on instructions from memory for much of the time. Whether you see a speedup will depend on quite how many things you (and your software) are doing at the same time, and whether your system is busy-waiting on the spinning rust, or your network connection, or .... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 26 Oct 22 - 09:29 AM .... Oh, and don't forget to check how much swap space you've got on your hard drive, and whether it's being hammered by excessive swapping. Virtual memory's always slower than the real thing. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 26 Oct 22 - 09:32 AM Bonzo3legs wrote: Am I supposed to notice a difference in speed?It depend what you run on it. My PC, about the same age, has has 6 cores (i7-3960X). The only thing that I know uses them all - because it tells me - is compiling. I've noticed that ffmpeg has a '-threads' parameter but never tried it to see whether it encodes more quickly. Does Adding More Cores Mean Better Performance? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Oct 22 - 10:59 AM Are any of you using a cloud backup? How is that impacted when you upgrade to the next OS? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 27 Oct 22 - 11:47 AM I don't use cloud backup on a PC but I doubt that backup data being 'in the cloud' - i.e on a remote file server as opposed to being on a local disk - makes any difference at all. The program* making the backup, and restoring the data, may be affected, depending on what features it has. That program might be part of the OS, such as Win 10's 'File History' facility, or a separate program such as Aomei Backupper (both of which I use). If I were upgrading to Win 11 I'd check whether those still worked, and whether the old backups are restorable. * or 'app' as Windows now likes to call them |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Oct 22 - 12:14 PM The thing with Windows 10 is that it has the option of using the old Win7 backup, and I have that going. I was looking at adding file history and just have to make the move to use it also. Also maybe put in a fresh external drive and keep a recent one separate from the machine (because if the machine is compromised by malware it goes for all external drives including the backup drive. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 27 Oct 22 - 04:42 PM Stilly River Sage wrote: Also maybe put in a fresh external drive and keep a recent one separate from the machine (because if the machine is compromised by malware it goes for all external drives including the backup drive.Your comment made me wonder whether cloud storage was vulnerable to ramsomeware. Short answer: yes it is (you can google the question). So a USB dive not left plugged in (we discussed in an earlier thread) is probably safer. I ought to check that my Aomei backup can actually be used to restore the machine if the disk (it's an SSD) failed. But I haven't. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Oct 22 - 11:56 AM Old astronomers' adage: If you haven't written it down, you may as well not have made the observation. Old computer adage: If you haven't tested it, you may as well not have made the backup. See also "Schofield's second law" (including the quotes in the net search) for related enlightemnents. Disengage lecture mode. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Oct 22 - 02:48 AM Version 22H2 update shown on my PCs but not Mrs Bonzo's running Win 10 home for some reason? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 30 Oct 22 - 01:41 PM Different hardware? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Oct 22 - 01:55 PM Could be |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 23 - 02:30 AM The thing that bugged me most about Windows 11 was that I couldn't find the "Start" button since it got moved to the middle. I came across an article that said I could right-click a blank space on the taskbar, select "taskbar settings" and then "taskbar behavior" on the bottom of the list, and then "left" for "taskbar alignment." Now the "Start" button is back on the lower-left corner of my screen, where I'm used to finding it. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 30 Jan 23 - 03:29 AM Support for Win 8 ended this month, so no more security updates. Win 7 support ended 3 years ago unless you paid for it, and it still has a 10% share. Win 10 has a 68% share and will be supported till October 2025, which could well be extended. Win 11 currently has 17%. This is the end, Windows 7 and 8 friends: Microsoft drops support this week You can no longer buy Win 10, though it's apparantly easy to find a downloadable copy. A lot of them will be booby trapped. Win 11 won't run on 32 bit PCs if you still have one of those. Meanwhile Microsoft is trying to make Office less of a target for malware. Microsoft closes another door to attackers by blocking Excel XLL files from the internet Microsoft is checking everyone's bags for unsupported Office installs |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Jan 23 - 02:40 PM Win11 was installed on the computers at the museum where I volunteer, so I'm getting a look at how it works. Nothing particularly impressive there, and as Joe points out, I have to hunt to find the Start button to log out my account on a community computer. I'll keep my eyes open for Win12. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: meself Date: 30 Jan 23 - 02:56 PM This modern world often has me pondering deep and ultimately unanswerable questions such as: Why wouldn't they just leave the 'start button' over in the lower left corner? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 30 Jan 23 - 03:23 PM Stilly River Sage wrote: I have to hunt to find the Start button..Windows key? Or control-escape? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Jan 23 - 03:26 PM Dave, the reason there is such duplication of methods of doing things, as you illustrated, is because we all have our preferred approaches. For years I used a specialized keyboard that didn't have a Windows key, it was built to emulate the IBM Selectric keyboard. They did add the F keys at the top, but I have always been out of the habit of doing anything OTHER than mouse to the Windows start icon on the screen. So, yes. I had to hunt for the icon. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Jan 23 - 03:46 PM Windows 10 is still available free from the Microsoft site using the Media Creation Tool. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Oct 23 - 11:28 PM The Amazon Prime sale this week has given a half-off price on a 16T external backup drive, so I'll set it up to do a full backup (setting aside the smaller-capacity drive I have used) and then I'll see about updating to Windows 11. I didn't want to try it until I had a new full backup. It's a good way to kill a weekend. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: DaveRo Date: 11 Oct 23 - 04:35 AM No hurry: Not even the ghost of obsolescence can coerce users onto Windows 11 |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: robomatic Date: 11 Oct 23 - 02:10 PM I've had good luck with large hard drives at Costco. The problem is I can't find good info on the technical side: Modern large drives are supposed to have gone to SMR (shingle magnetic recording) but for a particular drive I don't know how to look up the tech data. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: robomatic Date: 12 Oct 23 - 02:17 PM Just yesterday saw a 14TB Seagate HD in Costco. Holy Hannah. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: EBarnacle Date: 16 Oct 23 - 07:59 AM Lady Hillary and I are the cadre at our regional rummage sale computer department. A customer came in, tire kicking, and we discussed his needs. He had, a day or two previously, purchased a refurbished Windows 10 computer on eBay with a 500 gig hard drive for $350. He realized, after our discussion, that a: it was overpriced and b: since he stores almost everything in the cloud, he really does not need that large a hard drive. He ended up purchasing two 320 gig laptops @ $120 each and deciding to send back the other. Unless you really need a lot of storage, a large hd is an affectation. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 25 Oct 23 - 09:29 AM Techie Warning: > Modern large drives are supposed to have gone to SMR (shingle > magnetic recording) Or HAMR (heat-assisted), or possibly both in the same drive. > Unless you really need a lot of storage, a large hd is an affectation. *Agree*. The problem here is that, once people have a huge drive, they neglect (and then forget) to throw away date-expired data, and then back up everything "just in case". I know I do. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Oct 23 - 12:55 PM I want a hard drive to store the entire OS and data so the thing can be restored with everything installed. You can't do that kind of backup on the cloud (at least not that I've found - if one exists, please tell me). I store my photos on the cloud (in space I rent annually at Microsoft). |
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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 From: robomatic Date: 11 Oct 23 - 02:10 PM I've had good luck with large hard drives at Costco. The problem is I can't find good info on the technical side: Modern large drives are supposed to have gone to SMR (shingle magnetic recording) but for a particular drive I don't know how to look up the tech data. |
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