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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3

Dave the Gnome 23 May 24 - 07:41 AM
Backwoodsman 23 May 24 - 03:19 AM
Raggytash 22 May 24 - 01:29 PM
Nigel Parsons 19 May 24 - 05:03 PM
Dave the Gnome 17 May 24 - 11:55 AM
Dave the Gnome 17 May 24 - 10:54 AM
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Nigel Parsons 11 May 24 - 08:25 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 24 - 07:41 AM

There will be no Rwanda flights before then and I suspect that is part of the reason he has called it early. When asked what he has done about his promise to keep small boats away he will reply that the Rwanda deportations were blocked so the boats are still coming. Part of his manifesto will be to continue on that tack even though it is blatantly obvious that it was just populist bollocks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 24 - 03:19 AM

Very telling that Sunak seems to be intending to run the campaign on a ‘Presidential Election’ basis - asking this morning, “Who do you want to see in No. 10?”. Get ready for the usual character-assassination tactics from the Party of the Greedy and Selfish.

And never underestimate voter-stupidity and gullibility - plenty of evidence of those in the Brexit vote and the 2019 GE. More evidence on this morning’s TV vox-pops - a couple of wrinklies saying that the Tories have had some difficult issues to deal with over the past fourteen years, and it’s only fair to vote for them again and give them the chance to put their mistakes right! Jesus Wept!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 24 - 01:29 PM

So, an election has been called for the 4th of July in the UK, not before time many of us think.

The predictions over the past few months have been for an absolute landslide in favour of the Labour party a result, I for one, would welcome.

However I do not think we should be complacent in any way, I am sure the Conservative party still have a few nasty tricks up the collective sleeves, and I think the smaller parties could also do well given the seemingl massive distrust of the conservatives and the seemingly low personal rating of the Labour leader Kier Starmer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 May 24 - 05:03 PM

Supporters of Vaughan Gething (First Minister for Wales) have accused other parties of racial bias for trying to bring him to account for his actions. (dodgy funding, and sacking a colleague for 'leaking')
No one in the opposition seems to have mentioned his race.
The only mention of it that I recall was in his acceptance speech as first minister: “We have of course, today voted also to ensure that Wales becomes the first nation anywhere in Europe to be led by a black person.
“It is a matter of pride for a modern Wales but also a daunting responsibility for me – and one that I do not take lightly."


So he plays that card himself, and then his colleagues claim that others are playing it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 24 - 11:55 AM

Oh well, seeing as my message was auto corrected I may as well claim 400 :-)

Poopycock? I dread to think what could cause that condition...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 24 - 10:54 AM

Poppycock? I dread to think what could cause that condition...

399 - someone else can have it :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 May 24 - 03:16 AM

I can understand people objecting to his ULEZ rules, and objecting to his preference for cycling (war on drivers). Not everything is ad hominem much is against his actions quoite
poopycock


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 24 - 04:05 PM

The only point being made was that he won despite a long and vicious smear campaign.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:38 PM

”Not everything is ad hominem much is against his actions”

So you agree that, at least in part if not in entirety, attacks by Tory MPs, Tory supporters, the Tory press, and Tory HQ itself, are ad hominem?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:31 PM

Saying that the vile attacks started before the recent elections only underlines the point.
Or makes the point that the dislike of him is not just because he was standing for mayor.

I can understand people objecting to his ULEZ rules, and objecting to his preference for cycling (war on drivers). Not everything is ad hominem much is against his actions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:25 PM

After a long absence, evidence here that Nigel is alive and well, and still honing his nit-picking skills (and, of course, nit-picking is easier than actually responding to the question).

{{sigh}}


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:16 PM

Nigel, attacks on Sadiq Khan by the Tories and their gutter press friends have been sustained and over a long period. SPBs comment was that he won despite this campaign of smear tactics is valid. Saying that the vile attacks started before the recent elections only underlines the point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 02:37 PM

No comment on my second linked article then, Nigel - the one that most definitely does refer to the mayoral election, and ad hominem attacks on Sadiq Khan, not by individuals like the thick-as-a-plank 30p-Lee, but by Tory HQ itself?

Here it is again, in case you missed it the first time…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 May 24 - 08:25 AM

Backwoodsman:
Well, Nigel, you could start here - 30p-Lee attacks Sadiq Khan
No thanks necessary, only too pleased to help…


No thanks will be tendered then. That old article predates (comes before) the Mayoral Election campaign, so doesn't help confirm SPB's comments about the mayoral election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:07 AM

In our N Yorks mayoral election I must admit being very impressed by the Tory candidate's manifesto and commitment. Then, right at the end of the leaflet, an attack was launched at the Labour candidate. I doubt I would have voted Tory but had it not been for that attack I would have at least gone to meet him when he visited our village.

I voted for one of the independents.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 12:42 AM

Of course, ad hominem attacks and attempted character assassinations have long been the favourite tools of the shameless Self-Servatives, the party of the greedy and selfish, plenty of evidence in the last few GEs, and they stooped to a new low in the London Mayoral elections - Tory HQ gutter-tactics again…

They have no morals and no shame in their naked lust for power and control, do they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 12:32 AM

Well, Nigel, you could start here - 30p-Lee attacks Sadiq Khan

No thanks necessary, only too pleased to help…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 May 24 - 06:37 PM

Google "attacks on Sadiq Khan", Nigel. You will find plenty. If you want to narrow it down a little try using Tory HQ or Lee Anderson as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 May 24 - 02:39 PM

SPB
"I must say that the results of the last three days has been particularly pleasing. Sadiq re-elected as London Mayor in spite of a nasty, ad-hominem, negative campaign against him."

I admit I was not in London, but I saw no ad hominem attacks on Sadiq Khan. I saw attacks on his 'principles', but no attacks based on him as a human being.

I would be interested to see examples of 'ad hominem' attacks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 May 24 - 02:01 PM

”James O’Brien and LBC’s Political Editor, Natasha Clark, analyse this week's PMQs as Rishi Sunak faced Sir Keir Starmer.

To the surprise of many in the Commons, Starmer announced that MP Natalie Elphicke had defected from the Conservatives to Labour.

'Why on earth are Labour accepting this Tory?'
'He was rattled throughout'
'It's not something you can prepare for'
'She's not destined to become a sparkly jewel'
'It gives Starmer yet another stick to batter him with'
'Starmer's launched a two-pronged attack on the Tory Party'
'This defection statement is seething'
'A third defection to come?'
'They've run out of road'
'Shall we have a little bet?'
'Sunak is slinging out the same old insults'
'The mud isn't sticking anymore'


James O’Brien and Natasha Clark on LBC, discussing Sunak’s train-wreck in this Wednesday’s PMQs.

Right on the button.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 May 24 - 07:40 AM

Natalie Elphike won’t be a Labour MP for long because, reportedly, she does not intend to stand for re-election at the GE later this year or early next year. She’s undoubtedly a nasty piece of work, but I don’t really believe it’s going to matter in the long run. Thinking about it, perhaps accepting her into the LP is nothing more than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick for Sunak and the ERG mob?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 May 24 - 03:38 AM

Not my idea of a Labour MP, and not a good move IMO. I wonder if, along with many other Labour MPs, Rachel Reeves wants to tell her to “Fuck off” once again?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 May 24 - 05:46 PM

Labour have sunk to a new low.

I still cannot believe this.

Keir Starmer sparks Labour anger with decision to admit Natalie Elphicke

We are living in strange times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 May 24 - 05:47 AM

I must say that the results of the last three days has been particularly pleasing. Sadiq re-elected as London Mayor in spite of a nasty, ad-hominem, negative campaign against him. Bassam elected as GLA rep for Ealing and Hillingdon, 9 Labour & Co-operative part GLA reps and two Labour Party only (oh well can't win them all!!!). And that is just London!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DMcG
Date: 04 May 24 - 06:40 AM

Ben Houchen's result is much closer to the 'normal' range than his previous 73%. Even so, I am surprised the Teesport issue was not enough to completely sway the result against him. The people of Redcar and Middlesbrough, for example, certainly were familiar with the claims that were made of dubious sales and contracts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 May 24 - 06:16 AM

Ben Houchen wins Tees Valley Mayoral election…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 May 24 - 06:15 AM

I was also amused to see Ben Houchen, the Tory Mayor of Tees Valley, was re-elected following a campaign in which he distanced himself from his Party, not even wearing the blue Tory rosette. He continued to eschew the wearing of the rosette at the result-announcement and, when he was later joined by Sunak and congratulated on his win, his body-language spoke volumes about his contempt for his leader and the performance of the government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 May 24 - 05:25 AM

We now have a Labour mayor in N Yorks. Which is quite funny seeing as the area contains Sunak's constituency:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 May 24 - 07:19 AM

Very amusing to see Tory MP Andrea Leadsom on BBC2’s ‘Politics Live’ just now, desperately attempting to apply lip-gloss to a pig over the Tories’ performance, or rather lack of performance, in yesterday’s local elections.

Time the party of selfishness and greed were gone, and for a very long time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 03 Apr 24 - 06:47 AM

I can still remember the Labour slogan "Thirteen years of Tory misrule" which helped sweep Harold Wilson into power six decades ago*. I'm a great fan (or victim?) of the wave-harmonic theory of historical perception.

* Good grief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 24 - 01:26 AM

Yes indeed, an excellent treatise on fourteen years of mis-rule, deception, and the populist, three-word, election-winning, slogan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 24 - 05:38 PM

A long and hard read, kebroxu, but brilliant and truthful. Thank you for the link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 06:52 PM

Here is someone writing for USA audiences about Great Britain.

New Yorker: Sam Knight on fourteen years of Conservative rule


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 06:34 AM

I've noticed an interesting correlation: the inverse relation between the number of flags visible in the camera shot of a politician, and the number of things said politician has to actually say. In the argot of UNIX error messages:

       EEMPTYBARREL, excess flags error


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 12:40 PM

I must say I do find it annoyong that people object to a flag - be it the Union Jack or the Flag of St George. OK, they have been (ab)used by right wing parties and others but that is not the fault of the flag!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 05:02 AM

Back on the 19 March I posted on here that I was uncomfortable with the latest Labour leaflets. According to an article in the Guardian, a number of candidates are unhappy as well. Even Sue Gray has reservations.

There was criticism from those at a meeting of MPs from ethnic minority backgrounds, including Starmer’s chief of staff, Sue Gray, and the chief whip, Alan Campbell, of freepost leaflets that were – as one MP put it – “plastered with union jacks”.

Keir Starmer faces discontent as Labour MPs reject union jack election flyers


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Mar 24 - 04:32 AM

Not exactly a maiden speech from someone who has been in the house 3 times before (I think!) is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Mar 24 - 05:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGCtyISRcRw MAIDEN SPEECH G GALLOWAY


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Mar 24 - 06:46 AM

I just got a leaflet through about the May elections. It is based on a Union flag, and as I picked it up I was thinking something on the UKIP/NF/Reform lines. Then I thought Conservative is more likely.

It turns out to be Labour. Ok, I get they want to reclaim that they are as patriotic as anyone else. But it still jars ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Mar 24 - 08:46 AM

That is unlikely


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Mar 24 - 03:16 AM

…or even Northern Ireland?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 05:41 PM

indeed


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 02:15 PM

What about Wales?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 09:08 AM

Scottish Independence, will it happen? How Will it affect England , and Ireland. They [Yasouf] are talking about reducing corporation tax, to compete with Ireland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 24 - 04:58 AM

As if to underline the above point, it seems the Fishy Rishi is bringing BoJo back to help win the election. Well, he lied and cheated his way to the top so I suppose bozzer is well suited to fool those who believed his lies last time. Surely even our most ardent Tory supporters on here can see how desperate things are they feel that they cannot win without the blonde buffoon!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Mar 24 - 01:28 AM

> have the lunatics taken over

Long since. When the playground deteriorates to name-calling and fist fights, those with sense* leave the battlefield, or in this case get kicked upstairs into the House of Lords.

* I would have said "grown-ups", but this is politics we're talking about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 09:22 AM

have the lunatics taken over


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 08:14 AM

Aaaahh, Kemi Badenoch, one of the chief headbangers of the Headbangers Party, trumpets more Pre-election Propaganda bollocks. Presumably, the feeble-minded shit-for-brains who fell for the Brexiteers’ bullshit in 2016 will fall for her nonsense in 2024…

Badenoch’s bollocks…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 07:40 AM

> Was there a Daily Express front page article today about
> Brexit being a success?

There was: it was under Kemi Badenoch's byline. If she says it often enough, she might even believe it herself.

I really, really wish I could declare independence from Planet Headbanger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 07:06 AM

Was there a Daily Express front page article today about Brexit being a success?


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