BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 01:56 AM

Coin toss not 50/50? I think that's bullshit. This is one case where logical knowledge beats empirical knowledge.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 03:09 PM

I have U.S. Quarter from 1964 (says so on both sides) that will come up George Washington 100 times out of a hundred.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 11:08 AM

The pain of being called a redheaded stepchild.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 09:26 PM

Are you sure all those hair color changes didn't occur when you were beamed up into an interstellar beauty parlor.

Subject: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 08:14 AM

A scientific paper reported by Sabine Hossenfelder on Utub** puts the bias at 51/49.

Now remind me, what was the margin on Brexshit?

By the look of it, it all depends on the initial conditions, but the starting face predicts the bias.

However, I remember a boss invariably spinning (about one turn) a badminton racquet to decide who starts the game, so eventually I just spun mine and said "equals" - it didn't stop him cheating in future but then, I did it to gain brownie points at work.

The answer to remove the bias is to call in the air, which is normal in polite circles.

**well worth watching if only for the dry humour.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Nov 23 - 04:46 PM

Donuel
Be careful with yer quantum light. A photon is only said to go through both slits until you measure it, then you know which slit it went through (probably) - they call it "wave collapse" (other terms are available)
A stream of photons - now that is a different kettle of gaps. Each go through one or the other slit and our eyes (& most equipment) averages the result as yer defraction pattern.

I don't know of any experiment that shows a bias on which slit a photon goes through. I guess it hinges on the quality of the slits.

Now Donuel - if you saw two glasses of Schlitz - which one would you pick up, and which was half full and which was half empty?

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 06:30 AM

The wave collapse sends the wave back in quantum time making it appear to collapse and disappear. Penrose explains it well in his interview.

If anyone shows me negative time, I will ask why they can't see anti-gravity. Unless you can show it.
Penrose is respected, but respect doesn't guarantee he is right. Theories are still theories until lift-off, Donuel. Should we toss a coin on it?

Mind you, I feel light-headed just thinking about all this.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 06:54 AM

This is one case where logical knowledge beats empirical knowledge.

Logical on what criteria? Reasons may be as small and minor as the minute differences in the stamping/rounded corners/age of coin (and we are talking coins not geometric theoretical shapes)/weight of head versus reverse/grease/detrirus/circularity/reeding/rim - other minutia are available.

all practical differences. Empirical is as good as the stated object, and the apparatus that was used to flip (not human interference)

And any conman/prestidigitator (or prestigititrix) could consistently engineer a result and only need a bias in their favour. I am told certain croupiers can hit a given number on a roulette wheel on a good day. They only have to have a hit rate that gives the bank an advantage more than a zero or double zero, to earn their stipend. But that is human, not machine as in the research.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 02:57 PM


Hail holy light, ofspring of Heav’n first-born,
Or of th’ Eternal Coeternal beam
May I express thee unblam’d? since God is light,
And never but in unapproached light
Dwelt from Eternitie, dwelt then in thee,
Bright effluence of bright essence increate.
Or hear’st thou rather pure Ethereal stream,
Whose Fountain who shall tell? before the Sun,
Before the Heavens thou wert, and at the voice
Of God, as with a Mantle didst invest
The rising world of waters dark and deep,
Won from the void and formless infinite.

LOVE this guy!

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 10:09 AM

Another previous assumption is busted. LIGHT actually behaves like quantum lightning. Like lightning, light picks many different paths like the side 'feelers' of lightning. Also, it settles on the shortest distance to reach its destination. When it arrives all the other paths collapse and disappear. LIGHT does not travel at a straight solid ray like we imagine.

We discovered this by using a variation of the double slit experiment but by varying it by time. An interference pattern did emerge but showed the light varied by frequency and not the standard banded locations. That means the path of light came in at many different angles that would shorten the frequency when it hit the detection plate.

For me, the magic happens when all other side paths disappear without a trace. light is wierd

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 04:08 PM

Richard Feynman has been my hero since the Challenger disaster, which he solved with a cup, an ice cube, and a rubber O ring.

Research has revealed that John G Trump (Donald's uncle) was a hired gun to divulge misinformation to the public. The OSS and FBI needed a cover for their theft of Franz Tesla's records immediately after his death. A safe full of documents and up to 20 trunks of Tesla inventions were known to go missing. John Trump's job was to review the quarter million Tesla pages and publicly state that none of Tesla's work was related to or of any help to our military war efforts. He faithfully did his job IN TWO DAYS!
A quarter million pages in 2 days?

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 04:56 PM

The OSS had access to Tesla's work for 3 days until the report of his death was made three days after his death.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 06:45 PM

The one way arrow of time does not exist in quantum reality.
Events actually jump backward which explains the wave collapse when we try to measure the wave.believe it or not I GET IT

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 07:15 PM

I have always said time has dimensions and spreads out.
In quantum reality, time can express itself retroactively.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 08:11 AM

The wave collapse sends the wave back in quantum time making it appear to collapse and disappear. Penrose explains it well in his interview.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 11:12 AM

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 11:49 AM

The two biggest mysteries in cosmology are what is dark matter and dark energy made of. I'll theorize that dark matter is the residue of matter and anti-matter annihilation that does not interact with itself or our matter very much but it does interact by way of gravity.

The second mystery is dark energy which is making the universe expand with acceleration. My best guess is that black holes and dark matter create new space in a similar way that mass can convert to energy. In the incredible energies of black holes or dark matter black holes, mass is converted to space.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 04:47 PM

Think for yourself. You and other people's ideas, don't get along.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 05:02 PM

Besides your questions reveal you haven't read my post on the subject for 10 years.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 05:47 PM

That does not mean they do not want to learn more by hard slow testable work or by genius that opens new avenues and perspectives like Albert did.
We don't know if ufos exist either but it is not without curiosity.
“I think, to some extent, the time was right for UFOs to make a comeback,” Eghigian said. “We are in a period of remarkable advancement in surveillance technologies.”

At the recent congressional hearing, more than one lawmaker sounded convinced of a UFO cover-up.
“It is unacceptable to continue to gaslight Americans into thinking this is not happening,” said Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, a Florida Republican.
Others in Congress, including the New York Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, seemed to view the proceedings more as an opportunity to demand transparency from the Defense Department, UFO cover-up or no.
The growing federal scrutiny of UFO claims could complete the rebranding of a stigmatized subject, one long consigned to drive-in theaters, roadside attractions and the Weekly World News.
Last year, academic researchers surveyed university professors on their own UFO beliefs. Some scholars responded with predictable unease, if not outright hostility. But 19 percent of respondents conceded that they or someone close to them had spotted a UFO.

Government-sanctioned ufology may well be one reason why more Americans are embracing UFOs. Other forces may also be at play.
Clay Routledge, an existential psychologist, theorizes that acceptance of UFOs may be rising partly in response to the well-documented decline in religious faith.
Not quite half of all Americans now say they are sure God exists, a historic low. One-third of the nation never goes to church.
The less religious people are, research has found, the more likely they are to believe in UFOs.
Both belief systems illustrate the same basic human need, Routledge said: the search for meaning. “We just have a longing for things beyond rational, evidence-based thinking,” he said. “I think it speaks to the human need for a broader cosmic connection.”

The idea of alien contact, while unproven, is more palatable to some ufologists than the existence of angels or demons or ghosts, concepts that fall outside the bounds of science.
“You don’t have to believe in anything supernatural to believe in UFOs,” Routledge said.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ufo-aliens-belief-poll-americans-b1879321.html

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 09:16 PM

Vera Rubin and Fritz Zwicky both discovered dark matter using 2 different approaches. There are dozens of theories for dark energy each with subsets and corollaries. So far everyone is still in the running for a major discovery. What is sought is an eloquent and simple explanation but I think several 'special circumstances' will confound the process for decades more. All cosmologists, mathematical physicists and astrophysicists are openly hoping they will be the 'one'.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 09:26 PM

I personally knew a famous astro physicist who knew for a fact the UFO cover-up IS REAL. The tide is turning today but very slowly.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 08:39 AM

Reality contains the illogical quantum realm. Also some computerized randomizers are not truly random. Then there is the famous consciousness experiment that uses random generators called the EGG.
If you don't know about it prepare to question your belief system.
https://noosphere.princeton.edu/story.html

Good for you Mr. Red for knowing what a wave collapse is. That the wave collapse goes back to its original variability is technically going back in time. The reason why the mega universe doesn't have this ability is that there are way too many particle waves (atoms) involved to act in concert together to reverse its time direction. On a quantum scale with one variable, it is easy and natural for time to be reversed. By the way dark matter may be particles that are going back in time making them invisible to us.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 09:13 AM

"If anyone shows me negative time, I will ask why they can't see anti-gravity. Unless you can show it."

I believe you are seeing anti-gravity in the flight characteristics of certain UFOs as well as canceling the property of inertia inside the craft. ?????????
The Inflation theory, which I don't believe in, uses anti-gravity to explain itself. Also, some theories about dark energy uses the concept of anti-gravity over galactic distances.

Negative quantum time exists - not going back in time in our mega universe. However, the possibility does exist but it is so rare as to never happen.
Richard Feynman explains how an electron can go back in time, but I wouldn't want to give you a headache.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 10:46 AM

Red headed people feel pain differently from dark haired people.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 11:07 AM

Modern Medicine is using gut hormone drugs to treat heart conditions.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 01:21 PM

Thats me except my hair has naturally changed color 3 times starting with white then red then blonde Redheads detect thermal differences differently.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 06:49 AM

For a time only my beard was copper penny red. At birth doctors told my mom I was albino but alas my eyes were blue not pink.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 06:51 AM

I was creeped out by the original movie Village of the Damned.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 10:16 AM

Normally Andromeda just looks fuzzy but this enhanced photo shows the galaxy with perfect clarity. https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2311/M31Alps_Kananovich_1639.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 04:45 PM

my 2 cents is that I have hair everywhere but its color and diameter renders it invisible except for a full head and brows that grow like weeds. If I ever do go bald I could just comb my eyebrows back for the ultimate comb over. Maybe it is because of a Viking ancestor.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 23 - 04:54 PM

Another subject to explore about dark matter is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_mass

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 09:24 PM

Money talks and BS walks.
I estimate 500 million dollars of research, programs, investigations and reports have been devoted to this subject.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7514271/
Flight characteristics of UAPs usually have an ionized air glow around them. Brightness can vary. Travel is slower in the sea but still a factor of 10 or more compared to known vehicles. There seems to be elements of a controlled technology that encompasses both mass and energy as well as space and time manipulation.
These differences have been delineated since 1954 yet we still do not have a public explanation. Aerodynamic shapes are not required since there are no lift or propulsion requirements. Size can vary from 6 meters to over a mile.
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2023-Aug/Records%20pertaining%20to%20Unidentified%20Aerial%20Phenomenon.pdf
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/st02710y.html
https://that1archive.neocities.org/subfolder1/ufo-files

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 07:13 AM

Maybe it depends on the coin and the image? A coin with gaunt Julius Caesar would be lighter on the head side than a coin with burly Mark Antony?

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 12:17 PM

I'm OK with your best guesses but theorising needs solid evidence. Let's be having it.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 05:10 PM

I heard a report here, given by real astrophysicists, that we know next to nothing about dark matter and dark energy except that they are a bigger part of the universe by far than anything we can perceive. I prefer to get my information and inspiration from accomplished scientists if that's all right with you.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 06:21 PM

"At the recent congressional hearing, more than one lawmaker sounded convinced of a UFO cover-up."

Well it's amazing what some people will say in order to shed their deserved anonymity and make themselves stand out from the crowd. JFK was shot by a leprechaun, Noah couldn't fish from the deck of the Ark because he only had two worms, fossils are all fakes and the moon is eaten by dragons every month.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 04:25 AM

Correct, Joe. Suppose you tossed a coin 10,000 times. Would anyone REALLY expect an exact 5000-to-5000 result? Even if your coin had two exactly identical sides? Even if you had a beautifully-calibrated coin-tossing machine and you kept all conditions stable? As long as you eliminated all human-induced jiggerypokery, you'd get close, and there's a remote chance that, once in a few/dozen/hundred/thousand goes, you might get exact 50-50. But there are unknown unknowns here...

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 04:27 AM

Mind you, if your coin had two identical sides you'd have to work out a way of telling heads from tails...

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 11:13 AM

Only certain UFOs? So which UFOs demonstrate anti-gravity and inertia-cancelling properties, and which don't? Have you got photos?

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 12:14 PM

> LIGHT actually behaves like quantum lightning.

Richard Feinmann strikes again.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 11:00 AM

MaJoC's entirely gratuitous €0.02: hair on chin and hair on top of head aren't the same. That on the head is a leftover of our distant ancestors' back pelt and/or mane; the beard, and the pubes, were once part of the underbelly hair. (If you're in doubt that these are different, pet a sufficiently friendly cat.)

Subject: BS: coin toss not 50/50 (part 2)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Nov 23 - 05:06 AM

.... part 2 because the first thread seems to be broken:

Link courtesy of this month's Cryptogram:

Fair coins tend to land on the same side they started: Evidence from 350,757 flips

So the coins are fair, but the (erm) flippers aren't *quite* fair, to a 95% confidence level. Curiouser and curiouser.

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Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 19 Nov 23 - 08:24 AM

Link courtesy of this month's Cryptogram:

Fair coins tend to land on the same side they started: Evidence from 350,757 flips

Summary of abstract: The coins are fair, but the (erm) flippers aren't *quite* fair, to a 95% confidence level, even if they want to be. Curiouser and curiouser.

PS: I tried (and apparently failed) to send this before; my attempt to start a new thread seems to have disappeared during the latest Catnap. Let's hope this one gets through.

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Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:49 AM

Recent speculations refer to UAPs as a dangerous navigation hazard, but Boston and Houston are our near-miss capitols with hitting our own planes.
We have searched for communications from UFOs for years but we only have the one 'WOW' signal from years ago. We have speculated messages of 'take me to your leader' or 'we want to serve Mankind'.
Finally, with AI we have translated the WOW signal!
"These jokers can't take a snub for a hint"
Experts are hard at work to ascribe meaning to this cryptic message.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 23 - 07:30 AM

There have been alot of research dollars spent on UFOs since the fifties.
Money talks and BS walks.
I estimate billions of dollars of research, programs, investigations and reports have been devoted to this subject.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7514271/

Flight characteristics of UAPs usually have an ionized air glow around them. Brightness can vary. Travel is slower in the sea but still a factor of 10 or more compared to known vehicles. There seems to be elements of a controlled technology that encompasses both mass and energy as well as space and time manipulation.
These differences have been delineated since 1954 yet we still do not have a public explanation. Aerodynamic shapes are not required since there are no lift or propulsion requirements. Size can vary from 6 meters to over a mile.
gov.files
The gov. lists are almost innumerable
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2023-Aug/Records%20pertaining%20to%20Unidentified%20Aerial%20Phenomenon.pdf
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/st02710y.html
https://that1archive.neocities.org/subfolder1/ufo-files

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 23 - 07:33 AM

But then again, the Global Pet Toys Market reached US$ 8 billion in 2022 and is projected to witness lucrative growth by reaching up to US$ 13 billion by 2030. The market is expected to exhibit an increase of 6.5% during the forecast period 2023-2030.

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 21 Nov 23 - 05:28 PM

Recent speculations refer to UAPs as a dangerous navigation hazard,...

What does UAP mean?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:54 PM

The Pentagon wanted to avoid the UFO stigma they initially helped create and now have come up with the preposterous 'Unidentified Aerial Phenomena' as if they are giving the subject a fresh start.

telescope image

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/to-understand-uap-we-need-megapixel-imagery/

Subject: RE: BS: coin toss not 50/50 research finds!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Nov 23 - 08:53 PM

This thread is unreadable at this point (though that was kind of already the case.) Testing to see what happens when I post here now.