Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 28 Oct 23 - 12:05 AM

I don’t know that shanty.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 23 - 03:04 AM

no

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: GUEST,Dave Hanson
Date: 29 Oct 23 - 04:26 AM

No, it's not the same song as ' Ranzo ' or Reuben Ranzo.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: GUEST,Dave Hanson
Date: 29 Oct 23 - 04:28 AM

Reuben Ranzo, also known as ' Wild Goose Flying '


Dave H

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 07:34 PM

Needs context. Could just be “luggage,” or whatever, in some author's idea of an accent, or...

“LUGGISH, an indolent, or idle fellow.––LUGGISH-HEEDED, heavy headed, thick headed.”
[A Glossary of North Country Words, in Use, Brockett, 1825]

Slightly later edition:
“LUGGISH, a dull, heavy, stupid. Probaby loggish.
LUGGISH, s an indolent, or idle fellow. “Loup, ye luggish, ye ha' nae spunk in ye.””
[A Glossary of North Country Words, in Use, Brockett, 1829]


“LUGGISH. Dull; heavy; stupid. Luggy is also heard in the same sense.”
[A Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words, Obsolete Phrases, Proverbs, and Ancient Customs, from the Fourteenth Century, Vol. 2, Halliwell-Phillipps, 1860]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Oct 23 - 06:18 AM

Are these lines part of the Wild Goose Shanty also referred to as Ranzo Ranzo?

Subject: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Oct 23 - 03:33 AM

Now, this may be a makey-uppy by O'Brian, but in his Master and Commander he has a run that goes… well, wait a minute. The two people talking are Jack Aubrey, the eponymous, and Stephen Maturin, a United Irishman on his keeping after the slaughter that followed the 1798 Rising. It goes:

"…we waked old Terence Healy. He had been my grand-father's tenant. And there was a song they sang there has been in the middle part of my mind all day… there were English words as well. One line went –

Oh the wild geese a-flying a-flying a-flying
The wild geese a-swimming upon the grey sea

[and then he continues to sing]

They will never return, for the white horse has scunnered
Has scunnered has scunnered
The white horse has scunnered upon the green lea.
==

Is this an actual song, and is it still sung if so?

(And by the way, since he's using a term, scunnered, that I'd think of more Northern or Scottish, though I might be wrong there, I'm also seeking a translation from Scots or Northern Irish, for a term used in my family which I guess comes from their Scots roots: "luggish" Anyone out there who can give me a precise meaning?)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 10:53 AM

It might be a makey uppy by the author.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 06:26 PM

As for "luggish" - any Scots out there with a definition and usage?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: Thompson
Date: 31 Oct 23 - 11:10 AM

The word is written, not heard in my reference. A visitor has called to the writer's digs while the writer was absent:

"Miss Burne told me that she did not offer him anything - which was luggish of her. But he should have asked for something - if he had only known there was potted chicken & ham in the sideboard, besides cheese & bread & stout, not to mention rashers & eggs & a chump chop, which I bought specially for him."

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying
From: Thompson
Date: 01 Nov 23 - 08:13 AM

I'm very grateful for this definition, Phil d'Conch, been looking for it for years.