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Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 20 Dec 23 - 10:56 AM Supreme Court? Don't hold your breath, folks. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 20 Dec 23 - 10:16 AM The Colorado Supreme Court did a masterful job of interpreting the 14th amendment section 3. It was methodical, conscientious, and was not political whatsoever. It was to the letter of the law. It is up to Trump to appeal before New Year's day. I beg to differ with Trump that vermin are poisoning the blood of America. https://www.amazon.com/Delicious-Vermin-Rosie-Barham/dp/0992606241 |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 20 Dec 23 - 08:59 AM The Supreme Court is politized beyond the norm with Trump appointees. The 3 issues proposed here are legally moot and do not support any vindication of Trump in the language of article three or by precedent. The ultimate decision will either support other Republican candidates or make a clear advocacy of Fascism. However the Court flips this coin they will appear to be evil to Republicans for Trump or Democrats for democracy. Roberts is between a rock and a disintegration of the Constitution they were meant to interpret. He probably thinks throwing it back to voters is a Solomon option but he would be wrong imo. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Dec 23 - 08:27 AM I saw a meme the other day with a bloke sat behind a desk saying to a job applicant "So, you used to work here before but you defrauded your expenses, stole company secrets, you sexually harassed you female colleagues and when you got fired you got all your friends to attack the board room. Tell me why you think you should be re-employed..." That is what it looks like from over here and, sadly, it looks like he will get the job :-( |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 20 Dec 23 - 08:18 AM BTW, similar suits have already been rejected by the supreme courts of New Hampshire, Arizona, and Minnesota. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 20 Dec 23 - 08:01 AM There are at least three issues at stake: 1. a legal definition of "insurrection" and its application in this case. 2. the question of why the Amendment doesn't specify president and vice-president if it applies to them. 3. just who - courts or Congress - decides on whether a candidate has engaged in insurrection. The split opinion of the Colorado Supreme Court shows that these won't be simple decisions for SCOTUS. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 20 Dec 23 - 06:33 AM Now it's the Supreme Court's turn to uphold the Colorado court, overturn or make a decision in between the two. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 20 Dec 23 - 03:00 AM Colorado Supreme Court bans Donald Trump from the state's ballot under US constitution's insurrection clause |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 19 Dec 23 - 01:39 PM Good one, Donuel! And as you said, SRS, "The only parties winning in all of this (if they can get their clients to pay them) are the attorneys" and that means that when clients are not paying the attorneys it is a bad strategic move, biting the hand that feeds them, their only defence. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Dec 23 - 01:38 PM An excerpt from an interview with former House Speaker Paul Ryan surfaced last week and is a good read on how GOP politics are going these days: Donald Trump is “not a conservative”, the former Republican House speaker Paul Ryan said, but “a populist, authoritarian narcissist”. This article from The Guardian offers commentary and also a link to the full hour+ interview. The fact that Ryan is now at Fox Corp, the parent company of FAUX NEWS shows he's still in the conservative ranks, not in the Lincoln Project, etc. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Dec 23 - 05:23 AM Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows was denied moving his GA court case to a DC Federal Court which could make his outcome more dire. Guilliani is standing by his lie. Sometimes it's hard to be a fascist Givin' all your love to just one man You'll have the bad times And he'll have the good times Doing things that you don't understand But if you love him, you'll forgive him Even though he's hard to understand, mm, mm And if you love him, oh, be proud of him 'Cause after all, he's just a man Stand by your lie Give him more arms to cling to And some more harm to come to When camps are cold and lonely Stand by your lie And show the world you love him Keep giving all the cash you can, mm, mm Stand by your lie, hmm, hmm Stand by your lie (Ooh, ooh) Even though you know it won't fly (Ooh, ooh) Just give him all the power you can Stand by your lie, mm, mm, mm Well, it wasn't funny last weekend with over a hundred bomb threats against Synagogues from Massachusetts to Colorado and throughout the South. The Trump quotes taken directly from Mein Kampf are polling well in Des Moines. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 16 Dec 23 - 03:56 PM Skimpy indictees sound like diapers that are too small. I would like to see more fake electors face justice but that is as likely as Gulliani paying up for his crimes. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Dec 23 - 11:58 AM Some of his fellow indictees in the State of Georgia have issued one sentence apologies to fulfill a requirement when they pled guilty. As skimpy as they are, they are another form of admission of guilt. You'll never see Trump apologise or admit guilt, and if you read his niece Mary Trump's analysis of the situation, you'll see he's pretty much incapable of such things. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: gillymor Date: 16 Dec 23 - 06:28 AM Rudy can always return to acting to replenish his coffers. Oh wait, he wasn't acting. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 15 Dec 23 - 08:38 PM I posted the link to the article because I know the Giuliani case is not specific to Trump but it is related by association to Trump's claims of election rigging. I imagine it is everyone for him/herself in Trump's world when the legal battles start piling up. I also am speculating that Giuliani has already siphoned off most of his assets to a sunny island somewhere and is now claiming his pockets are empty. It's very sad that he has had to put a house on the market for a measly price of a little over $4 million. He'll probably claim that that represents his total assets. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Dec 23 - 06:24 PM Trump isn't paying the legal fees of the folks who were caught in the same net. The only parties winning in all of this (if they can get their clients to pay them) are the attorneys. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 15 Dec 23 - 06:17 PM Rudy Giuliani ordered to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers he defamed "A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election." ... "During the trial, an attorney for Freeman and Moss showed videos and played audio clips in which Giuliani repeated false claims that the two election workers stuffed ballots and were caught on video allegedly passing a USB drive as part of a vote-stealing scheme. "None of those claims were true, and the supposed USB drive was a ginger mint." .... He is claiming he doesn't have funds to pay, and that section of the article "How much money does Giuliani have?" also lists a number of other unpaid debts owed including "..more than $1 million to defense attorneys who’ve helped him on other matters, prompting them to sue him this year". .... "It’s also not clear if Giuliani would be able to declare bankruptcy to shield himself from any sum of damages in this lawsuit. That issue, according to people familiar with the case, may have to be decided by the courts at a later time, and it’s possible he could still be on the hook for the award to Freeman and Moss, even if he goes into bankruptcy." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Dec 23 - 06:16 PM Material From Russia Investigation Went Missing as Trump Left Office A binder given to the Trump White House contained details that intelligence agencies believe could reveal secret sources and methods. So apparently this folder was copied by WH staffers who were redacting some of the material that Trump wanted to publicise. The FBI and security folks became alarmed and gathered up the notebooks but they can tell that one is still missing and it may be Mark Meadows has or had it. Material from a binder with highly classified information connected to the investigation into Russian efforts to meddle in the 2016 election disappeared in the final days of Donald J. Trump’s presidency, two people familiar with the matter said. Read the rest at the top link. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 12 Dec 23 - 06:55 AM What a kidder, Trump joked that he would be a dictator on day one. Man, what a knee-slapper. The Supreme Court will take up the Trump immunity defense next week. Trump lawyers hoped to delay with a lower court appeal in DC regarding his insurrection trial. It was ruled that Nixon could not be sued for doing his job as President but this is a different kettle of fish. This is stinky four-year-old fish. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Dec 23 - 01:24 PM But despite everything: A little over a month before the Iowa caucus kicks off the Republican presidential primary, Donald Trump has expanded his “commanding” lead in the first-to-vote state, a new Des Moines Register/NBC News poll found.....he received 51% support in the Iowa poll.... ...His closest challenger, the hard-right Florida governor Ron DeSantis, took 19%... ....That meant Trump’s lead was the largest ever recorded in the influential poll so close to a competitive caucus day. If he stands, he wins, doesn't he? Bit of a bottom line there... (The quoted snippets are from a Guardian news report) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 11 Dec 23 - 08:22 AM I know Stilly River Sage likes to remain on topic and stay on topic but I believe the larger implications involved are crucial. The Trump indictments and trials were deliberately delayed to minimize blowback or possibly to coincide with his campaign. Trump will be a no-show in more than debates. Defiance can speak louder than words in court. Chaos, fear, defiance, disinformation, and dysfunction are the usual tools of his trade. Retribution from his trials has led to a Biden impeachment inquiry and his son facing 17 years in prison while Richard Pryor was not charged for similar actions from his addiction. I am hoping a Trump stochastic terror attack on the courts does not set a precedent for more violence. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 11 Dec 23 - 08:10 AM He will hate not being able to spout his venom. What's the betting that later this week he will accuse the court of trying to silence him? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Dec 23 - 08:47 PM I heard that today. So next up the government can present a rebuttal to the Trump defense (or not). The radio commentator remarked that Trump has such a squishy relationship with the truth (my words - I don't remember exactly what they said) that not testifying is better for him. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 10 Dec 23 - 04:07 PM Trump's lawyers have now persuaded him not to testify. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Dec 23 - 03:31 PM Master Calendar of Trump Court Dates: Criminal and Civil Cases If you don't have a scorecard to keep track of his trials and hearings, there is a handy calendar hosted by the Just Security site. And in case you wonder what that is: Just Security is an online forum for the rigorous analysis of security, democracy, foreign policy, and rights. Founded in 2013, we aim to promote principled and pragmatic solutions to problems confronting decision-makers in the United States and abroad. Our expert authors are individuals with significant government experience, academics, civil society practitioners, individuals directly affected by national security policies, and other leading voices. Our Board of Editors includes a broad range of leading experts on domestic and international law and policy. Just Security is based at the Reiss Center on Law and Security at New York University School of Law. Trump fraud trial: Former president to return to witness stand Monday The former president is on trial in New York for allegedly defrauding lenders. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 08 Dec 23 - 01:19 PM Yes, the year's flying by. My little joke on that is when we get older, we don't say, "Oh it's morning again", or "Oh it's Monday again", we say "Oh it's January again". :-D |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Dec 23 - 11:50 AM Helen, fixed, thanks! A bit of a brain fart there. Not so much denial as just forgetting that the year is almost over! It has flown past (and continues to evolve as we watch the race between the courts trying Trump and the 2024 election looming). Miller is one scary SOB. Even his family won't have anything to do with him and have denounced his ideas in public venues. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 08 Dec 23 - 09:44 AM Stephen Miller always reminded me of Himmler. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 08 Dec 23 - 09:20 AM Trump seeks his dream team: https://www.yahoo.com/news/grifters-sycophants-radicals-fill-key-120051434.html |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 08 Dec 23 - 08:39 AM What does personal revenge look like when Donald lives in a moral void but is given Imperial power? Should he win by subversion or violence do you think he will fixate on punishment? Perhaps he won't need a coup. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 07 Dec 23 - 08:40 PM Hi SRS, I noticed the article you referred to is dated in December but the dates you gave are in November. (In view of the recent mixed up dates on Mudcat threads, I thought your post was out of order on the list but now I suspect you might be in Christmas denial. Yes, Christmas IS only a couple of weeks away! LOL) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Dec 23 - 08:19 PM The accountant who testified for the defense today was only there to talk about the practice of finance and accounting, he was not there to discuss motivation, so it was apparently a bit of a downer for the Trump team. The judge seemed engaged, apparently interested in the different information being presented. Friday is always a short day in court, Trump should be on the stand on Monday. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 07 Dec 23 - 02:22 PM I agree with Ebbie's comment on 6 Dec about Trump's age and health, especially his diet and lack of exercise. I also still think that the internal pressure of the gag orders, not being able to let that constant stream of internal lava out of his system, will be the trigger point. Just look at the photos of him trying to stop himself from unleashing all of that negativity onto the world. It has to be affecting his blood pressure and his heart - well, if he has a heart, that is. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Dec 23 - 01:52 PM Trump returns again to his New York civil fraud trial as two months of testimony nears end Dated Dec. 7, 2023 Former President Donald Trump returned to his civil business fraud trial as a spectator Thursday, after a month of assailing the proceedings from afar. The rest at the link. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 23 - 11:40 AM QanonQanon is now a psy op that has many missions from supporting RFK Jr. to reinforcing right-wing conspiracies. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/michael-flynn-is-recruiting-an-army-of-god-in-growing-christian-nationalist-movement Trump Preacher https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/06/us/capitol-riot-paths-to-insurrection/pastors.html and this is the tip of the iceberg. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 23 - 11:12 AM I do not blame the media for calling Trump's base merely as his supporters. Actually, his base identify themselves as Spiritual Warriors by religious indoctrination preachers and Gen. Flynn as Christian Nationalists. Decades of home-schooling have been churning out these obedient fascists. They now number as many as one in three voters. To publicize them primarily by their cult religion would throw a monkey wrench of stigmatizing or victimizing Trump Christians, although the teaching of Jesus is far from their faith. They come in various groups such as Qanon and numerous Christian denominations but 'where they go one they go all' as their chant goes. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 23 - 07:41 AM The forms for prospective jurors in the Trump insurrection trial have been mailed out this week. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 06 Dec 23 - 08:31 PM A Trump anthology for those who haven't been listening: https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-2024-campaign-own-131309917.html |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Dec 23 - 05:52 PM Believe him when he says what he is going to do. Hillary told everyone that during the 2016 election, and she was right. It's still advice to listen to now. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 06 Dec 23 - 02:03 PM Bad news for Benito: https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-pro-trump-fake-electors-172858588.html The Deep State musta threatened their fams, right? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 23 - 01:29 PM Well we generally tend not to believe anything he says. You don't get to be a dictator, not even for a day, just because you say "I'm going to be a dictator." He's a very dangerous man, and we don't need that to necessarily come from the horse's mouth. The most important thing is that he doesn't get elected. I read yesterday that a poll has got Biden trailing him. One dangerous move towards autocracy is one he shared with Netanyahu, his attempt to rig the Supreme Court. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 06 Dec 23 - 01:18 PM Trump said he will be a dictator in a media interview. See the first link posted by Lighter, for example the third article on that page: Daily Telegraph, Thu, December 7, 2023 at 4:29 AM GMT+11 "Donald Trump has said he will become a dictator for the first day of his second term if he wins next year’s presidential election. "The Republican frontrunner refused to deny that he would abuse his power to seek revenge on political opponents if re-elected to the White House. “'You are promising America, tonight, you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?' Sean Hannity, a Fox News host who has long been a supporter of Trump, asked during a televised town hall in Iowa on Tuesday. “'Except for day one,' Mr Trump responded." Or this paragraph in Oz ABC News: "Mr Trump on Tuesday was asked by Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity to promise he 'would never abuse power as retribution against anybody'. "'Except for day one,' Mr Trump responded. "'I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill. "'After that, I'm not a dictator.'" And in my opinion, i he thinks it's acceptable to be a dictator on day one, then he will not stop at day one. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:56 PM It's a discussion forum, my recent posts in this thread are full of conjecture without pontificating and you are being unnecessarily hostile. You THINK he's going to be a dictator. I DOUBT that he will. I'm not "pulling your chain" when I ask how you think he'll achieve it. OK, Maggie, I'm a man and not a yank (worse still, a Brit) which seems to mean that I don't qualify to have a view. I'm not trolling in this thread, the stuff I last posted is no more off-topic than much of the stuff in your last post (check the thread title) and you need to be more tolerant. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:31 PM Trump promises the faithful that, yes, he will be a dictator - but only on Day One. (Then he'll be nice again....) He also said "Al Capone was one of the greatest, if you like criminals." (Hey, he's being sarcastic! Wotta sense of humor! Lighten up, fascists!) https://www.yahoo.com/news/hear-trump-response-asked-promise-062722664.html And you know who else has a great sense of humor? That Kash Patel, former NSC advisor: https://apnews.com/article/trump-2024-second-term-prosecute-media-b892fd6f3ce721016eb1176e82aa51c3 These guys crack me up. But commie-libs don't get it! Hopeless! (Irony - as if you didn't know.) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:18 PM With Santos out last week it's interesting that McCarthy announced that he's leaving Congress at the end of this year. Meaning a few days left (considering the generous recess they take). McCarthy Says He Will Leave Congress at the End of the Year About two months after being ousted as speaker, Representative Kevin McCarthy said he would exit the House a year early. Mr. McCarthy’s imminent departure will shrink the already slim Republican majority, which went to three seats from four with the expulsion last week of Representative George Santos of New York. So another of Trump's toadys is out and the lunatic fringe are still there (MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, etc.) Trump wants to take over the ability to call elections and wants to let Putin win in Ukraine. This GOP House has been largely inclined to tilt in those directions. To spell this out, the number of members needed to hold the slimmest of majorities is 218. The GOP right now have 221. There are a couple of vacant seats in the House. The deadline to run for the seat in California is on Friday, hence McCarthy's timing (the NY Times article is a short one to start with this announcement, they'll spell it out more as the story takes shape). If the house were to flip before the end of the term a LOT of work could get done in a hurry this term, so if any other disaffected GOP members were to leave before next year's election, it could happen. It would allow things like the John Lewis voting rights legislation to go through to shore up election security (the GOP have tried to tear apart election apparatus at the local level since the Supreme Court knocked out large pieces of the old Voting Rights Act. Putting the act in place would make all of the GOP nonsense moot.) Wikipedia As to the last post: It's a fair bet that he'll become a lame duck president half way through. Don't kid yourself. Stop yanking our chains and stay on topic. Your pontificating is unpleasant. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 23 - 04:51 AM So you don't trust your hard-won instruments of state to constrain him. Today, the man who spent seven years wrecking this country is appearing before an enquiry which will expose his severe shortcomings in the pandemic. He was forensically investigated for his breaches of covid lockdown rules and, though his fixed penalty fine was derisory, his reputation was ruined as his lack of integrity was exposed. We suspected that he wanted to ride roughshod over some laws but the instruments of state pulled him up short. I may be premature but I suspect that he will make a fool of himself today as the enquiry pulls him to pieces. We are currently witnessing strenuous efforts by our government to override human rights laws in order to promote a doomed and pointless populist scheme to deport refugees to an unstable African country. They will fail, because there is equally strenuous opposition, in spite of years of damaging populism. At worst, Trump will get four more years. It's a fair bet that he'll become a lame duck president half way through. I'm surprised to read your apocalyptic predictions. I don't live there, but I'd like to hear you explain how he could become a dictator. He has done a lot of damage and will do much more, but are you seriously suggesting that there won't be a presidential election in 2028? And, speaking of holding former leaders to account, a vital cog in the wheels of democracy, why hasn't Trump been held to account for conniving in the Jan 6 riot, if not actually inciting it? Germane to this discussion is the second Reith Lecture, given by Professor Ben Ansell, which I've just listened to. He discussed the uneasy position of liberal democracy between anarchy and autocracy. There are more pressures than just Trump. There's social media and there's AI. Of course, he'll try to use them to his advantage. He hasn't do too well so far with social media but his followers have. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Ebbie Date: 06 Dec 23 - 02:32 AM We tend to not consider his age- 77 now, he'd be 79 upon inauguration, and 83 at the end of his term. Given his diet and lack of exercise, I rather doubt that he'll make truly old bones. More alarming is that his example would allow and encourage successive presidents to shred what remained of the Constitution and the traditions that are currently our norm. It is hard to foresee a happy ending. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 05 Dec 23 - 11:55 PM And his potential underhanded collaborations with Putin are too terrible to contemplate. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Dec 23 - 10:50 PM He wouldn't be a terrible president for four more years, he would become a dictator. He won't make the mistake of putting in any staff who would stop him from mischief. He'll put in allies who let him do what he wants. The rule of law, the role of the Department of Justice, all of that out in the trash. He needs to be in prison. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Dec 23 - 12:43 PM Well there are more scenarios than that. The far more likely and far less sensational one is that he'll just be a terrible president for four more years, then he'll enter the dustbin of history. That's not intended to be reassuring, because even that would still be a disaster for the planet. |
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