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Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Mar 24 - 11:30 AM The House of Representatives sideshow is still trying to tar Biden with the same brush as Trump - they are desperate to impeach Biden to say they're just the same. It's an embarrassment, how those toadies are behaving instead of doing the nation's work. Meanwhile, I read somewhere yesterday that Letitia James might take Mar-a-Lago, but since it's in Florida and they have particular rules about protecting property (mostly from bankruptcy) I question whether that is on her list. (The Florida governor would protest.) She'll have to seize properties IN or registered in New York. (Trump has been moving accounts out in order to protect assets - pundits talk about his inability to plan to pay the inevitable settlements by selling property; his plan has involved moving it and not paying at all.) Full List of Donald Trump's Properties Letitia James Is About to Take
There might be agreements with some of the other states, and she might be able to put a hold on the UK properties. We will learn what is possible once we see what she decides to seize. I wonder if all of these would even add up to the amount he owes? It doesn't look like it. A few million here and there, but anything claimed will have encumbrances and taxes and such so a sale will probably reduce by more than half what the state gets from each property. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Doug Chadwick Date: 20 Mar 24 - 07:40 AM Trump is one marriage away from King Henry the 8th Trump has been married three times. How is this one marriage away from the six wives of Henry VIII? Trump was found guilty of fraudulently inflating the value of his assets. As you continue to make comparisons between the former President and the Tudor king, Donuelle, is it OK for you to use inflated data are are you just bad at history/sums? DC |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Mar 24 - 01:20 PM There are laws about citizens negotiating with foreign governments; Reagan probably broke the law when he had envoys communicate with Iranians to keep the US hostages until after the inauguration, to deny Carter the success of getting them free before the election. Trump is probably doing a lot of things behind the scenes that should be sussed out now and held against him. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Mar 24 - 12:52 PM Trump has a lot of real estate but nowhere near as much as Henry the Eighth did. He can't convert the property to cash in a week so Trump has re-hired Paul Manifort fresh out of prison to get Russian oligarchy cash like he did before and again manage Donald's election campaign. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 18 Mar 24 - 05:27 PM > While Garten said Trump is "financially stable" Was it just me, or did anybody else see the above and hear "stable genius" go *clang* in the backs of their heads :-) ? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Mar 24 - 02:36 PM Trump faces 'insurmountable difficulties' in securing $464M bond in civil fraud case, his attorneys say Judge Arthur Engoron had ordered Trump to pay $355 million plus interest. Dated today (March 18) "Defendants have faced what have proven to be insurmountable difficulties in obtaining an appeal bond for the full $464 million," according to an affirmation by Trump Organization general counsel Alan Garten. Inflating your assets will have this result. He is reaping what he sowed. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Mar 24 - 11:35 AM Trump's legal team has alerted the New York court this morning (Mar. 18)that they are unable to obtain the bond or cash for the $450B fine that is due next week (Mar. 25), and want it postponed until after the appeal. I look forward to reading the list of properties that the state AG is ready to seize. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Mar 24 - 10:46 AM Dick, don't just drop a link, say something. And while you're at it, stay on topic and stop starting new thread that people will fight about. Back when Trump was first elected and in office in 2017 he bragged about the size of his crowd at the inauguration and fact checkers disagreed. He insisted that all federal agencies toe the line as far as saying anything about his success and prowess attracting crowds or anything else and one little national park (Badlands) in the upper midwest said "nope" and published the photos anyway. At that point all of the "ALT" sites started up - Alt-NPS, Alt-CDC, Alt-USFS, Alt-GOV, Alt-you-name-it. He is fighting tooth and nail to keep himself out of court and from having a federal conviction that would be the clearest sign he can't hold the Presidency. So far it was a single individual, a woman, whose case had him proven to be a sexual predator and a guilty of defamation. Of all the the legal cases against him now, I predict it's going to be a woman making him toe the line and ultimately taking him down. Whether the case about Stormy Daniels or the case in D.C. that Tanya Chutkan is overseeing, someone is going to slip through his legal blockade and nail his ass. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: The Sandman Date: 18 Mar 24 - 03:50 AM https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/donald-trump-sean-hannity-dictator-day-one-response-iowa-town-hall |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 17 Mar 24 - 08:28 AM So Trump has won the delay game with lawyers, judges, and even Merrit Garland. That is not winning the Presidency. Don't bet your pension. Americans by in large would rather be citizens than royal subjects. Trump is one marriage away from King Henry the 8th but he has promised a bloodbath, dictatorship, and treason trials. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Mar 24 - 11:12 AM This thread is to do with Trump's court cases. An occasional redundant reminder of what a horrible human being his is can be thrown in periodically. With the exception of those nations with dictator leaders the rest of the world is scared shitless that Trump could come to power again. I suspect all American ex-pats are urged by the residents of their current countries to be sure to vote for Biden. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 16 Mar 24 - 08:15 AM The claim that Biden is a "warmonger" comes straight from the Trump campaign. What war has Biden started? In 2016, Trump told a rally, "In a certain way I *love* war. As long as we're winning." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: gillymor Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:37 AM ...lazy, incompetent... |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: gillymor Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:36 AM ...fraud, cheat... |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: gillymor Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:22 AM Rapist, insurrectionist, philanderer, the world's most well-documented liar, one of the lowest ranked U.S. presidents of all time. What's not to like? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: The Sandman Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:08 AM Trump could be the next president, as regards foreign policy is he any worse than Biden?,it is possible he might be less of a warmonger |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Mar 24 - 01:54 PM The judge in the Georgia case seems to have split the difference - Willis can stay if her special prosecutor departs, but it was difficult to hire that special prosecutor because of the notoriety that surrounds any Trump cases. Takeaways from the scathing ruling that allows DA Fani Willis to remain on the Trump election subversion case Trump is waging a war of attrition - gradually pushing back and knocking off cases, charges, hearings, trials. His appointee in Florida is complying with his wishes by holding frivolous hearings and offering non-decisions that can be challenged later. It's disgusting to watch. And now all of these documents being released in the New York case - NY prosecutors tell judge they’re willing to delay Trump hush money trial until late April The proposed delay in the New York trial is in order to give Trump’s lawyers time to review new materials turned over by federal prosecutors this week, the DA’s office said. The DA's office has to look over those papers also, not only the defense attorneys. With turns like this it looks like Trump has plants in that District office who are scoring points with delay and then overwhelm cases close to trial. How difficult would it be to work out such a plan? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Mar 24 - 08:06 PM The judge dropped six of the charges in the Georgia trial but left the rest intact. Judge dismisses some Trump Georgia election subversion charges but leaves most of the case intact The partial dismissal by Georgia Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee leaves most of the sprawling racketeering indictment intact. The rest at the link. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 13 Mar 24 - 03:11 AM Well, it seems that Tr*mp has succeeded in achieving the ‘Primaries’ stage of his intended return to the White House. The lumberingly-slow US courts had better get a move on and convict him on a few of those 91 charges soon. If they don’t, I’d stake my pension on him becoming #47. A ghastly prospect. God Help America. BBC News |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Mar 24 - 05:50 PM What did you intend to share? That was a commercial for an ambulance company. Meanwhile, Ex-chief of staff criticizes Trump for Hitler talk. Retired Gen. John Kelly, who served as White House chief of staff in the Trump administration, recounted several conversations where former President Trump spoke favorably about Adolf Hitler, saying the Nazi leader had done “some good things” and had inspired loyalty within his military. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 11 Mar 24 - 05:15 PM If you want to know who is really behind the anti democratic forces in America, you are in for a treat: Noam Chomsky |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Mar 24 - 12:35 AM Intel agencies eye brief for Trump, amid fears he could spill secrets It’s standard practice to share classified information with presidential nominees, but the decision to brief Trump if he becomes the GOP nominee this year is loaded with political and potentially legal risks. The briefings, which are managed by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and approved by the White House, normally take place after the national conventions in late summer. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 24 - 05:33 PM If you are not political now and Trump seizes power, every aspect of your life will be political just to keep your lights on. Businesses like utilities nationalized under Trump loyalty is a typical tool of authoritarianism. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 06 Mar 24 - 05:55 PM I mentioned how the House can perform a legal Constitutional coup. In conjunction with that is the Republican disqualification laws that allow a private citizen to send a postcard demanding a reply or be eliminated at the polls since the postcard not being returned is considered proof of nonresidency. It worked on me so I could not vote against W the second time. Its an old trick but is now appearing in most States. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 06 Mar 24 - 04:21 PM There are many fools who say what is expedient walks it back the next day and wants it both ways as long as their lies preserve white rule. To correct Nikki; there was slavery here book burning is bad in any form voting for Trump is not a foregone conclusion Culture war and identity politics are totally toxic |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: skarpi Date: 06 Mar 24 - 02:04 PM Nikki is out, so god help us. Nikki Haley was the only person Who should be President. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 06 Mar 24 - 01:31 PM Although Haley would not get my vote if I lived in the U.S., I think that she has achieved one of her goals of showing the voters that there is an alternative to Trump. I don't think that she said everything she would have liked to say about him, and I suspect she was trying not to get his supporters offside while chasing votes. I think she is setting herself up as a possible candidate if Trump gets convicted on some of his serious charges or for the next election. I'm basing my opinions on the comments and opinions expressed in the Oz TV show Planet America, on the (Oz) ABC News coverage and on the Washington Week with the Atlantic TV show. I also think that her chances of success were reduced because she is a woman and I suspect a lot of male and some female voters cannot conceive of a woman being President. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 06 Mar 24 - 10:52 AM Not as bad as Tr*mp, but plenty bad enough. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Mar 24 - 10:36 AM Trump won all but Washington, D.C. and the Vermont primaries so far, and this morning Haley "suspended" her campaign. The commentators on MSNBC were talking about her approach to saying in essence that Trump has to earn her vote, and also that (having read her book before this campaign) her role model is Margaret Thatcher. So that pretty much tells you what we'd get if she were to be elected. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 05 Mar 24 - 04:48 PM Congressmen and Senators hold a legislative federal office. The way the decision was written sort of updos part of the intent of the post-Civil War amendment. North Carolina has a lieutenant governor running for governor who is a leader of the KKK. States can be as nutty as they want. I want to see better protection for federalism. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 05 Mar 24 - 08:01 AM As I understand it, state's can still disqualify "oath-breaking insurrectionists" from state and local ballots. The court's opinion regards national candidates only. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 05 Mar 24 - 06:34 AM The Court has ruled that a State may now legally send an insurrectionist to Congress. They took the front tooth out of the 14th amendment. Now Congress would have to make a law to keep an insurrectionist from holding federal office. The Court looks like Alfred E Newman to me. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 05 Mar 24 - 03:23 AM That article also mentions other musicians or groups - or their estates - who have tried to prevent Trump from using their songs in his campaign events, including REM vocalist Michael Stipe and REM bassist Mike Mills, Rihanna, Linkin Park, John Fogerty, Neil Young, Leonard Cohen, and George Harrison. My first thought when I read the headline about Sinéad O'Connor was that her moral views would be totally opposite to Donald Trump's and this quote confirmed that for me: "...lived by a fierce moral code defined by honesty, kindness, fairness and decency towards her fellow human beings". |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 05 Mar 24 - 01:03 AM Sinéad O'Connor's estate joins a long list of artists demanding Donald Trump stop using their music "In between a myriad of court appearances, US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has been holding political rallies and campaign events, sound-tracked by popular songs. "One of those songs is Sinéad O'Connor's trademark hit Nothing Compares 2 U, and the late musician's estate is not happy about it. "In a joint statement, O'Connor's estate and her record label, Chrysalis, demanded the Republican 'desist from using her music immediately'. "It said the Irish singer, who died last year aged 56, 'lived by a fierce moral code defined by honesty, kindness, fairness and decency towards her fellow human beings'. "'It was with outrage therefore that we learned that Donald Trump has been using her iconic performance of Nothing Compares 2 U at his political rallies,' the statement said. "'It is no exaggeration to say that Sinéad would have been disgusted, hurt and insulted to have her work misrepresented in this way by someone who she herself referred to as a biblical devil.'" |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 04 Mar 24 - 05:15 PM A "dissenting opinion" is a dissent. A "concurring opinion" concurs but questions some of the details. The decision was indeed unanimous, 9-0. The issue addressed in the opinion by the liberals is why Congress alone (and not a federal judge) can declare a national candidate disqualified. I can think of a reason, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'll keep it to myself. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Mar 24 - 03:05 PM The three liberal justices wrote a dissent that was still lumped as a concurrence with the others. The Court has said the Congress has to legislate to solve this problem, but the Constitution doesn't say that. The end result is that states can't kick federal candidates off of the ballot. For now. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 04 Mar 24 - 12:55 PM Super Tuesday! Let's see what this day brings! Maybe Hayley's Washington DC win could influence other Republican primaries. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Mar 24 - 12:28 PM In his second term Biden is going to have to pack the court to neutralize the trio that Trump and McConnell foisted upon the nation. It's the kind of thing you don't do in your first term. It would also help if the house and senate are Democratic with more than a razor thin majority. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 04 Mar 24 - 12:02 PM Yep, thanks Doug. I had that thought as soon as I hit the submit button, but...I didn't go back and add it to my post. Sorry. "the first woman to win a Republican primary" |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 04 Mar 24 - 10:14 AM SCOTUS's unanimous decision: Without a Congressional resolution, Trump stays on all ballots. They did not rule on whether he engaged insurrection. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Doug Chadwick Date: 04 Mar 24 - 06:06 AM One of the news articles also said she is the first woman to win a primary. ..... the first woman to win a Republican primary. Hilary Clinton won enough to secure the Democratic nomination. DC |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 04 Mar 24 - 05:32 AM Nikki Haley won 63% against Trump's 33% in the Washington DC Primary. One of the news articles also said she is the first woman to win a primary. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 03 Mar 24 - 12:43 PM About polling, I have heard commentaries that some voters see supposed polling information indicating that their preferred candidate is not doing well and then are discouraged from voting, thinking their vote will not make a difference and not change the outcome. Every vote counts. Doug, in Oz the voting statistics usually show very low informal vote, and slightly more donkey votes. The statistical tables show mostly less than 5% of all votes on both categories combined. Definition: Informal vote "The figures show that nearly half of all informal votes were the result of some kind of incorrect numbering. This suggests that these informal votes were accidental. Similarly, another quarter of all informal votes contained ticks and crosses, suggesting confusion about the voting system. "Blank ballots and those with writing on them made up 26% of informal votes. These are most likely to have been deliberate." "Definition: A donkey vote occurs when an elector simply numbers the ballot paper from top to bottom (or bottom to top) without regard to the logic of the preference allocation. "A donkey vote is counted as a valid vote because it contains a number “1” and has numbered every square in sequential order." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Mar 24 - 11:21 AM The trouble with all of the pressure by "Democrats" saying that Biden is too old (yet only a couple of years older than Trump) is that this is the pressure from Trump's troops pretending to poll as Democrats and from Russia making these claims on behalf of unnamed Democrats. It turns up as a result in polls of Democrats, but at this point there is no other candidate who can stand up to him and so what? We will set another record for oldest president this time around. Getting people off of that Trump-funded anti-Biden mantra and onto the crap that Trump has pulled and says he will pull is the only way to get out in front of the AI and misinformation. This is when people have to step back and take a look at the big picture. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 03 Mar 24 - 08:11 AM Lighter we came damn close to getting rid of the electoral college many moons ago but it could still happen in our future. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 03 Mar 24 - 07:50 AM It would take a Constitutional amendment to eliminate the electoral college. Not impossible, but the process takes some years. It would be more likely to pass, however, than any Constitutional tweaks to the Second Amendment. I was surprised to learn that the United States is now the only democracy to retain an electoral college. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 03 Mar 24 - 07:10 AM > nutjob minor parties We have rather too many of those in the UK; worse, one of them's firmly embedded in the Tories. But that sub-discussion belongs elsewhere. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Mar 24 - 05:29 AM I liked the MRLP's policy on defence. They would paint all de fences white so no-one could sit on them |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Doug Chadwick Date: 03 Mar 24 - 05:21 AM If voting is compulsory then there should be a "none of the above" option as a protest vote to express dissatisfaction at what is on offer. Otherwise, the only other ways would be to turn up and spoil the ballot paper or vote for a ridiculous candidate, if available, who has no chance of getting in. In the UK, we have the Monster Raving Loony Party who stand against major players in the main parties for the publicity. With the current state of UK politics, if voting was compulsory, there would be a danger of the MRLP being asked to form the next government. In 1973, the Progress Party became the second largest party in the Danish parliament. They proposed to replace the entire Ministry of Defence by an answering machine with the recorded message "We surrender" in Russian. DC |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 02 Mar 24 - 05:31 PM Thanks Lighter. One of the pitfalls I have noticed with non-compulsory voting is that a lot of people need to be motivated to go to the polls and make a choice but are dissuaded by either negative media coverage or social media campaigns, or by the difficulty of voting mid week for people who are not able to lose time at work (i.e. read between the lines, people who have lower incomes and less power in their workplaces). Our voting is on Saturdays and we have had postal pre-voting in place for decades. In Oz, we always have one or the other of the two major parties in power, but the minor parties who have members elected tend to have a chance to keep the major parties a bit more honest and on track. That works especially well when the party in power is teetering on the brink, with a very small majority. They need the negotiating power of collaborating with minor parties then. (Although, having said that, we do have a couple of nutjob minor parties and most major parties would rather jump off a cliff than negotiate with them, IMHO.) "..electoral college, its flaws are becoming ever more obvious. I doubt much will be done about it in the so-called "foreseeable" future.." I'm guessing it's in the same "too-hard basket" as firearm reforms. :-D |
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