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BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions

MaJoC the Filk 04 Feb 24 - 02:43 PM
Donuel 02 Feb 24 - 07:30 PM
Mr Red 02 Feb 24 - 04:58 PM
Donuel 02 Feb 24 - 03:56 PM
Donuel 02 Feb 24 - 03:39 PM
leeneia 02 Feb 24 - 03:19 PM
Nigel Parsons 02 Feb 24 - 11:07 AM
Stilly River Sage 01 Feb 24 - 11:22 AM
Donuel 01 Feb 24 - 05:12 AM
Lighter 28 Jan 24 - 01:45 PM
Donuel 28 Jan 24 - 10:00 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 04 Feb 24 - 02:43 PM

*Sigh* .... I really must look up who it was coined "asking whether machines can think is equivalent to asking whether submarines can swim". All that's happened since 1962 (when ELIZA was first coded) is a massive increase in scale, and an even greater increase in the ELIZA effect.

I won't go further at the moment, as it's getting me seriously angry, which takes some doing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 07:30 PM

Yeah there was an audio AI robocall from a fake Biden in New Hampshire.

From what I have heard AI reads mammograms better than doctors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 04:58 PM

Donuel.
There is a problem with all diagnostic techniques, and AI is not immune.
False positives. And the average person's perception of risk. And how information fed to them.

And then there is the looming prospect of AI being used for deepfake videos. And I am sure you have come across one recently in pursuance of the upcoming US elections, that is just the start.

Like all new things they giveth and can taketh away, even after proven and mature. AI in its many flavours does the lot! A new norm is indicated.

Have a nice day, y'all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 03:56 PM

leenia, There is a vast difference between the advanced General AI and the chat versions that can be publicly owned.
I have followed Lex Fridman for years who works on AI and has a YouTube interview show of the world's best scientists, but I am not capable of describing the inner workings of AI. I was even introduced to a pioneer of AI concepts at Harvard decades ago but I did not see the future of AI at the time. I still do not have a final conclusion about this ongoing evolution.

Some scientists see an ultimate danger while others see surprising benefits.
I admit it has to be a bit of both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 03:39 PM

Nigel I am a panpsychist, a science philosophy with ancient origins. To accept a science without a living consciousness is not contradictory to my beliefs, yet it is a challenge.

Since you are British I have a UK perspective regarding the origin of panpsychism science... https://www.noemamag.com/the-conscious-universe/
This is a fun read.


It has been said "life is the means that the universe created to know itself".

If we can momentarily presume this is true, there are secrets that the universe does not yet know about itself the same as the secrets within ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: leeneia
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 03:19 PM

We need a definition of AI. Clearly faking college papers is very different from examining brain cells.


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 11:07 AM

Donuel:AI reads scans and interprets the findings much better than people.

Admittedly it does so more quickly. Whether its interpretation is better remains to be seen.

It also predicts heart problems and dozens of other major health issues.
Until we know the percentage accuracy of these predictions they remain of little use.
I can predict the exact results of every match in this year's 'Six Nations' competition (rugby).
My ability to predict does not mean that I'll be right!


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Feb 24 - 11:22 AM

I'm hearing blurbs about the newest Google Chrome being the Internet without Humans - assuming the story must have to do with AI. I didn't hear the story, though, so will have to track it down. Where the Internet goes, Science has a way of already being there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science - AI contributions
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 24 - 05:12 AM

AI reads scans and interprets the findings much better than people.
Why is a good question. I guess that we have a different attention span and distraction issues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Our reinvented Science
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 01:45 PM

Check out my AI experiences (duplicated many times since) at the end of this thread:

/mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=20960#4178344

Why should its medical diagnoses be any more reliable?


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Subject: BS: Our reinvented Science
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 10:00 AM

Starting with Medical science we are seeing with new AI eyes.
The myriad of discoveries offers us new knowledge but with very little explainability.
For example, a retinal scan with mechanical AI eyes is found that it can diagnose a host of neurological diseases like Parkinson's', Alzheimer's, and others five years before disease onset. It also predicts heart problems and dozens of other major health issues.
Just don't ask why or how because we don't know yet. We are being given an abundance of knowledge but not an explanation in the area of brain science that has developed an Atlas of over 3,000 different types of brain cells.
In October 2023, an international group of scientists released an impressively detailed cell atlas of the human brain, published in 21 papers in the journals Science, Science Advances and Science Translational Medicine.

The human brain has roughly 171 billion cells, which makes it a herculean task to categorize them all. Scientists collected samples from different parts of the brain and have identified 3,000 different types of cells. Each cell contains thousands of genes and each cell type only expresses a small fraction of those. Cataloging cells by their gene expressions paves the way for scientists to tailor disease treatments to target only the affected cells. This human brain cell atlas is only the first draft, but it could signal a paradigm shift in how we understand and treat neurological diseases.

There are already examples where even amateurs entered symptoms that could not be diagnosed for years but the cause was solved by Chat GPT.


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