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Subject: A Complete Unknown 2024, Dylan & Newport
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 19 Oct 24 - 04:23 PM

Coming December 25, 2024: "A Complete Unknown" - a movie starring Timothée Chalamet as Bob Dylan, with

(Actor) ... (Character)
Monica Barbaro        ...        Joan Baez
Elle Fanning        ...        Sylvie Russo (= Suze Rotolo?)
Scoot McNairy        ...        Woody Guthrie
Boyd Holbrook        ...        Johnny Cash
Edward Norton        ...        Pete Seeger
Norbert Leo Butz        ...        Alan Lomax
(and many more)

"At the Newport Folk Festival in 1965, a young Bob Dylan shakes up his act on the folk music scene by going electric and siring rock as the voice of a generation - defining one of the most transformative moments in 20th century music."

A teaser and full trailer are at the above IMDb link.

The film is loosely/arguably based on the 2015 book "Dylan Goes Electric", by Elijah Wald, which sets the furor surrounding Dylan's 1965 appearance with an electric band at the Newport Folk Festival in the context of the changes in the .

Today Elijah Wald added to his online "Songobiography" posts with this one featuring "Blowin' in the Wind", where he also comments on what he knows about the movie thus far (which isn't more than any of us), in particular with a note on Suze Rotolo, who is one of the key characters whose name was changed for the movie. He hopes that her important role will not also be lost.

IndieWire reports:

"... Mangold noted during the “Happy Sad Confused” podcast that the film is not a traditional biopic, but rather an ensemble period piece reminiscent of Robert Altman’s work.

“By the way, it’s not really a Bob Dylan biopic,” Mangold said. “The reason Bob has been so supportive of us making it, is it’s about, as in all cases I think of the best true-life movies are never cradle to grave but they’re about a very specific moment. In this case, it might sound Altman-esque, but it’s a kind of ensemble piece about this moment in time, the early ’60s in New York, and this 17-year-old kid with $16 in his pockets hitchhikes his way to New York to meet Woody Guthrie who is in the hospital and is dying of a nerve disease.”

Mangold continued, “And he sings Woody a song that he wrote for him and befriends Pete Seeger, who is like a son to Woody, and Pete sets him up with gigs at local clubs and there you meet Joan Baez and all these other people who are part of this world, and this wanderer who comes in from Minnesota with a fresh name and a fresh outlook on life, becomes a star, signs to the biggest record company in the world within a year, and three years later, has record sales rivaling The Beatles.”

Dylan himself gave notes on the script, which Mangold said he now treasures. “I’ve spent several, wonderfully charming, days in his company, just one-on-one, talking to him,” the “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny” director said. “I have a script that’s personally annotated by him and treasured by me. He loves movies. The first time I sat down with Bob, one of the first things he said to me was, ‘I love “Copland.”‘”
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I imagine that like many here I'm not so interested in the portrayal of Bob Dylan in this movie, but that cultural moment and in particular that cultural moment in American folk and popular music.

Side note: Benedict Cumberbatch was originally to play Pete Seeger, probably mostly for his vague physical resemblance, but he had scheduling conflicts.

~ Becky in Oregon


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Subject: RE: A Complete Unknown 2024, Dylan & Newport
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 19 Oct 24 - 04:25 PM

Oops - didn't finish the thought:

The film is loosely/arguably based on the 2015 book "Dylan Goes Electric", by Elijah Wald, which sets the furor surrounding Dylan's 1965 appearance with an electric band at the Newport Folk Festival in the context of the changes in the "context of its turbulent times, Dylan's musical evolution, and the oft-misunderstood folk revival, personified by the oft-misunderstood Pete Seeger."

~ B in OR


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Subject: RE: A Complete Unknown 2024, Dylan & Newport
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 19 Oct 24 - 04:26 PM

... and "Mangold", is director James Mangold.

~ B in OR


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Subject: RE: A Complete Unknown 2024, Dylan & Newport
From: GerryM
Date: 19 Oct 24 - 05:35 PM

"Pete Seeger, who is like a son to Woody...." Guthrie was just seven years older than Seeger.


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Subject: RE: A Complete Unknown 2024, Dylan & Newport
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Oct 24 - 07:45 PM

Sometimes that age gap is small but that feeling happens based upon experience, mentoring, etc. It still makes sense.


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Subject: RE: A Complete Unknown 2024, Dylan & Newport
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 24 Dec 24 - 11:02 PM

The movie is coming out tomorrow, December 25, 2024. Elijah Wald has been quoted as saying, "It’s not historically accurate, but it is poetically accurate."

Wald has created a playlist of Folkways (now Smithsonian-Folkways) recordings. On Facebook, he says about it, "Whether or not you're interested in the new film, or Dylan... Smithsonian/Folkways asked me to compile a Dylan-related playlist from their catalog and I took it as an opportunity to make a deep dive into a lot of my favorite music, back to when I was first getting into this stuff. Some of the connections are obvious, some less so; all of it is music I was glad to hear again, with a few tracks I'd never heard, and a bunch I wanted other people to check out."

A Complete Unknown: A Listening Companion from Smithsonian Folkways
By Elijah Wald

"From the moment he took an interest in folk music, Bob Dylan was intimately engaged with Folkways Records, and that engagement continued throughout his early years in New York and on to the present day. He learned songs from Folkways LPs, wrote songs based on material he’d heard on Folkways, had friends who recorded for Folkways, and eventually, he and others recorded his own songs for the label.

"This playlist touches all those bases and, while following Dylan’s journey, gives a sense of the breadth of his influences and the Folkways catalog."

More at the link.

I'm going to look for some other background info to add to the thread.

~ Becky in Oregon


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Subject: RE: A Complete Unknown 2024, Dylan & Newport
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 24 Dec 24 - 11:11 PM

Wald (Facebook, Dec. 4): I'm in shock... (also just saw the movie, and liked it)
The above was posted with an image of Bob Dylans post on X, "There's a movie about me opening soon called A Complete Unknown (what a title!). Timothee Chalamet is starring in the lead role. Timmy's a brilliant actor so I'm sure he's going to be completely believable as me. Or a younger me. Or some other me. The film's taken from Elijah Wald's Dylan Goes Electric - a book that came out in 2015. It's a fantastic retelling of evenents from the early '50s that led up to the fiasco at Newport. After you've seen the movie read the book."

Wald (Facebook, Dec. 11): Since all sorts of people are getting this wrong... Suze Rotolo chose that spelling of her name to be cool and unusual, but pronounced it as two syllables: "Susie."

Wald (Facebook, Dec. 19): [He was asked, "... Suze Rotolo was fictionalized as "Sylvie", and a number of people were asking why?"] Apparently, Dylan requested that Suze's name be changed because she was a very private person and should not be treated as a public figure.

Elijah Wald's recent Dylan-related posts on his "Songobiography" blog are linked in the sidebar of the intro page, here: https://www.elijahwald.com/songblog/

Blowin' in the Wind
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
Freight Train Blues
Girl from the North Country
If I Had to Do It All Over Again, I’d Do It All Over You (Dylan & Van Ronk)
Like a Rolling Stone
Love Minus Zero/No Limit
Maggie's Farm
Mr. Tambourine Man
The Old Man

There are reviews out, but many are paywalled - I'll leave you to do your own searches. But, here's perspective of use to any not-so-much-a-Dylan-fans, like myself:

A Complete Unknown Isn’t Really About Bob Dylan, The new biopic stars Timothée Chalamet as the musical genius, but it’s interested less in him than in his effect on others. (Slate.com)

~ Becky in Oregon


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