BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 03:06 PM

Several of you had not posted as I was composing the above. I was NOT talking about any one post specifically, just general.

Thank you,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 03:02 PM

Please folks, I didn't start this to get going on the gun debate. It was way too painful last year when that happened at the time of Columbine.

I realise there needs to be discussion about children and violence and I guess that has to involve guns, but let's try to keep it to specifics and not generalise about any one segment of the population. Somehow, we are all part of this and we have to find solutions together.

Here are links to last year's gun debates. Please, please do NOT refresh them. It will just reopen old wounds and sorrows.

guns, to my friends at Mudcat

guns again, hesitatingly

Thank you,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 03:02 PM

A six year old with a gun is not in any related to a militia. And the US army is not a militia, in my lexicon, either. So who kissed this boy, put a lunch in his hand, and sent him off to the bus without noticing an untimely bulge in his jacketpocket? Whose gun was it? How did it happen they had left it where a six year old --- sweet JESUS SUFFERING WEEPING BLOODY CHRIST!!! SIX!!! -- could lift it and slip it into his pocket...and, interestingly enough, from a place where it was kept LOADED!!!

This is not the nation sacrificing its children for a right of any kind. It is a foolish, ignorant, obscenely unalert individual or two, in this case...I cannot write...I thank the gods my child grew past six...

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:57 PM

Americans.... *sigh*

the right to bear arms was talking about MUSKETTS!!!!

yer society, for many reasons, is gong the way of ancient Rome... and unless you're willing to make some drastic changes, nothing is gonna stop it!

But this thread isn't for Anti-American rants...

So I'm not gonna bother....

I just hope that the parents of the little boy mentioned above are held responsible...

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:54 PM

Sorry but I find it hard to fathom a country in the western world that is so paranoid of its government and army that it will sacrifice its children for the right to bear arms. If they insist that their paranoia is founded, at least hold the individual responsible for where their gun ends up and the damage done.End of rant.

Oh Christ! what a tragedy. I'm so sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: kendall
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:51 PM

A WELL REGULATED MILITIA etc. how does this part always get lost in the ranting of the gun nuts? Let's face it. Our right to keep and bear arms comes not from the constitution, but, from a gutless congress and a strong gun lobby. (from a retired federal officer who can read)

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:39 PM

I'm sorry, but if you take the guns away from the people, who's going to protect us from the police and military? Ever since this beloved country of ours was founded (by rich white men), the poor people have been the victims of sanctioned violence by the rich man's goons. Look into the Civil Rights Movement, our violent labor history, our wars. But on the other hand, if your going to own a gun you had best be responsible enough to keep it away from small hands.

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: Llanfair
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:26 PM

Can someone link to last year's thread about the American right to bear arms? Bron.

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:18 PM

(rant on!) His poor parents my ass!!

Any parent that lets a 6 year old have access to a gun needs to be taken out and sterilised to remove that kind of stupidity from the gene pool!

Charleton Heston and the rest of the NRA be damned, guns are needed by 2 groups of people and no other... Police and Military.... and as fond as I am of wild meat, hunters could suck it up and learn to hunt with bows....

Guns don't kill people by themselves, but peope use guns to kill people...

(rant off)

Very sad... very sad indeed... A sad comment on western society...

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:16 PM

All gods have mercy on all of them..........As a cop's wife, I sure don't have any viable answers. Are we going to have to go to metal detectors, drug sniffing dogs and cops in all our schools? I think we have forced the schools to take over more and more of parental responsibilities, and then "we" whine when our kids don't get an education and the schools don't teach them what their parents should have. I am staying out of the Amadou thread because I wasn't there, did not have all the info so don't think I should make up an un-informed opinion, but I do agree that it seems like cops and teachers can't do anything right anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:01 PM

Poor babies, both of them.

I remember meeting a black lad from Texas back in the late 1960s. When he was five he had been playing with his father's gun, pointing it out the window of a building in some Texan town. He pulled the trigger and shot a police officer dead. The family just gathered up all their children and ran, and he grew up in England. They knew that their son would have no chance of fair treatment, a black child who shot dead a white policeman.

What chance has this poor child now? I doubt he could have really known what he was doing. Poor babies. Poor parents.

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 01:53 PM

Oh, sweet mother of god...

Subject: RE: BS: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 01:49 PM

Geeziz......

Spaw

Subject: In today's news - rant - how many more?
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 01:43 PM

Dear Mudcatters,

I am outraged and saddened at today's latest news about guns and children killing children in the USA. I just heard on National Public Radio that the gun in question (see story below) was brought for show and tell.

This just fills me with despair! What in the world are we, as a society, doing to stop this kind of outrage? My knee-jerk reaction is to make sure my grandsons never go to school, that they be homeschooled when they come of age. The more balanced response, for me, is to believe in their safety and that of whatever school they go to, but then I think, that is probably what the parents of this little girl did.

This has to stop! Thanks for listening, kat

MT. MORRIS TOWNSHIP, Mich. (Reuters) - A young girl was shot and killed by another student in front of her teacher and first grade class Tuesday, Michigan police said, in the latest in a series of shootings to hit American schools. A spokeswoman for Hurley Medical Center in Flint, Mich., confirmed the 6-year-old girl had died after conflicting reports from police, one of which said she was in critical condition. Further details about the victim, who died in the hospital at 10:29 a.m. EST , were not released.

The girl and the shooting suspect, a boy, were attending class at Buell Elementary School, north of Flint, when the boy pulled out a gun, police said. Police were continuing to investigate the shooting and did not provide further details about why the gun was fired.

The boy was taken into custody. No other injuries were reported.

About 22 students were in the classroom at the time of the shooting. Police evacuated the rest of the school, but kept the 22 inside the building for counseling and further questioning.

Anxious parents rushed to the school.

"I want to know how a 6-year-old boy got a gun and shot a 6-year-old girl," one tearful mother told WDIV-TV.

In April 1999, two Columbine High School students in Littleton, Colo., went on a shooting rampage, killing 12 other students and a teacher before committing suicide in the worst school shooting in U.S. history.

One month after that, a student opened fire at Heritage High School near Conyers, Ga., injuring six schoolmates before being taken into custody.

The shootings sparked a crackdown by police and school officials across the United States, who have reacted more severely to student threats.