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Origins: John Kanaka

DigiTrad:
JOHN KANAKAa


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Lyr Req: Parody of John Kanakanaka for Ben Kenobi (4)


GUEST,rockney@erols.com 14 May 00 - 06:32 PM
Stewie 14 May 00 - 06:40 PM
Chanteyranger 14 May 00 - 11:00 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 14 May 00 - 11:13 PM
paddyc 15 May 00 - 12:33 AM
The Shambles 15 May 00 - 05:48 AM
GUEST,Wolfgang 15 May 00 - 06:04 AM
Joe Offer 11 Jul 15 - 03:59 AM
GUEST,Anon 11 Jul 15 - 09:06 PM
Les in Chorlton 12 Jul 15 - 05:07 AM
Lighter 12 Jul 15 - 07:15 AM
Lighter 12 Jul 15 - 07:30 AM
FreddyHeadey 12 Jul 15 - 08:32 AM
Joe_F 12 Jul 15 - 02:10 PM
Richard Mellish 12 Jul 15 - 02:56 PM
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Subject: 'john Kanaka'
From: GUEST,rockney@erols.com
Date: 14 May 00 - 06:32 PM

Can anyone help me with lyrics to 'john kanaka' ?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'john Kanaka'
From: Stewie
Date: 14 May 00 - 06:40 PM

There is a set in the DT. Just put John Kanaka in the Digitrad and Forum search box on the main forum page.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'john Kanaka'
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 14 May 00 - 11:00 PM

Also, if you forget any lyrics while singing it, you can always borrow lyrics from other chanteys that rhyme in a similar manner. "Around Cape Horn we all must go. Around cape horn through frost and snow" is a real standby. If you're singing it with kids, there is an opportunity to make up verses using kid's names, or borrowing verses from the Cape Cod chantey, such as: "Cape Cod kids don't use no combs, they comb their hair with codfish bones." Check out that chantey. John Kanaka is a great chantey to be creative with. If you want to e mail me a personal message through this site, I would be glad to send you some verses I do with kids.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'john Kanaka'
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 14 May 00 - 11:13 PM

Funny, I couldn't call it up in the Database.

I did get this error message

An error has occurred while processing the expression:
URLEncodedFormat(Title)

The error occurred on (or near) line 13 of the template file
C:\webserver\mudcat\htdocs\@displaysong.cfm.

But I did find the song here:

http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~andrew/shanty/kanaka.html

It's a Shanty Database at Memorial University in Newfoundland.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'john Kanaka'
From: paddyc
Date: 15 May 00 - 12:33 AM

Check out Liam Clancy's website. They got lyrics to all his shantys and songs. Click HERE.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'john Kanaka'
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 May 00 - 05:48 AM

Andy G kindly posted the words on this thread, Narrowboat Songs


Thread #11090   Message #228125
Posted By: AndyG
15-May-00 - 05:09 AM
Thread Name: Narrowboat songs
Subject: Lyr Add: JOHN KANAKA-NAKA^^^

Hi,
I don't see a narrowboat connection, but here y'go:

JOHN KANAKA-NAKA

I heard, I heard the Old Man say,
John kanaka-naka too-ri-ay.
Today, today's an holiday,
John kanaka-naka too-ri-ay.
Too-ri-ay, O - oh, too-ri-ay,
John kanaka-naka too-ri-ay.

We'll work tomorrer but not today,
We'll work tomorrer but not today,

We're bound away for Friso Bay,
We're bound away at the break of day,

We're bound away around Cape Horn,
We wished to God we'd never been born,

AndyG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'john Kanaka'
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 15 May 00 - 06:04 AM

George,
I could repeat your error easily. However, it is in the DT and you get it via the alphabetic list. Funny thing a database. Even funnier: Both entering 'John Kanaka' and entering 'Kanaka' in the search find me the song title in the database, but only the first search leads to the error described by George. The second search finds the song.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jul 15 - 03:59 AM

Not much on this song in the Traditional Ballad Index, but a bit:

    John Kanaka

    DESCRIPTION: Shanty. Characteristic line: "John Kanaka-naka, too-li-ay." The sailors describe how they will "work tomorrow but no work today!" Some details of their trip around the horn on a Yankee ship are given
    AUTHOR: unknown
    EARLIEST DATE: 1977
    KEYWORDS: sailor shanty work
    FOUND IN: Barbados
    REFERENCES (3 citations):
    Hugill, pp. 288-289, "John Kanaka" (1 text, 1 tune) [AbEd, p.212]
    Fahey-Eureka, pp. 50-51, "John Kanaka" (1 text, 1 tune)
    DT, JONKANAK*

    Roud #8238
    NOTES: "Kanaka" was a term applied to Hawaiian men. Whether this song is referring to that or to "Canucks" (French-Canadians) is obscure. - PJS
    The term is used in Australia for Polynesians in general, especially those who worked in the Queensland sugar plantations. (It is said to mean simply "man.") I have to suspect that the song originally referred to the Polynesians, though of course northern sailors might have thought it meant Canucks. - RBW
    File: FaE050

    Go to the Ballad Search form
    Go to the Ballad Index Song List

    Go to the Ballad Index Instructions
    Go to the Ballad Index Bibliography or Discography

    The Ballad Index Copyright 2015 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle.


Here are the Digital Tradition lyrics that we have:
JOHN KANAKAa

I heard, I heard, the old man say,
John Kanaka-naka tu-lai-ay!
Today, today is a holiday,
John Kanaka-naka tu-lai-ay!

Tu-lai-ay, Oh! Tu-lai-ay!
John Kanaka-naka tu-lai-ay!

We'll work tomorrow, but no work today,
We'll work tomorrow, but no work today.

We're bound away for 'Frisco Bay,
We're bound away at the break of day.

We're bound away around Cape Horn,
We wish to Christ we'd never been born!

Oh haul, oh haul, oh haul away,
Oh haul away, an' make yer pay!

@sailor
filename[ JONKANAK
TUNE FILE: JONKANAK
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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: GUEST,Anon
Date: 11 Jul 15 - 09:06 PM

Pleased you have found the shanty I wrote in a previous existance.

Joe lists the earliest date as 1977 but I know my alter ego was singing it in 1968 and it was not new then by any means.

Perhaps Shanty Jack or Steve Gardham can be more forthcoming.


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 05:07 AM

Stan Higill, Shanties ffrom the Severn Seas page 288


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 07:15 AM

Eckstorm & Smyth, Minstrelsy of Maine (1927), a short version titled "Jan Kanaganaga," coll. from Capt. James A Creighton, at sea in the 1850s and later. No tune is given.

James Revell Carr discusses some aspects of the chantey (inconclusively, IMO) in Hawaiian Music in Motion (2014), pp. 73-74.


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 07:30 AM

More info and a copy of Creighton's text is here:

http://www.shanty.org.uk/archive_songs/john-kanaka.html

I don't have a copy of Minstrelsy of Maine handy, so I can't absolutely confirm the website's information, but of special interest is that Creighton "said that the song never failed 'to bring down the house when sung by a few old salts that know how to get the funny yodel-like notes that were common in the good old times of the down-east square-rigger.'"

Those "funny yodel-like notes" must have been what Hugill called "hitches."

Apparently Eckstorm and Smyth's source was not the elder Creighton but one of his sons, born after 1850. According to the website, E & S collected the song in 1925


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 08:32 AM

Gibb Schreffler writes some more about the song and Stan Hugill on his "HultonClint" YouTube page :
"HultonClint" John Kanakanaka 
where he is also recording all the other '7 Seas' shanties : go to 'Playlists' 

(Also see -The Old Salt Blog- )


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 02:10 PM

Oddly, both the version in the DigiTrad and those reproduced here are missing a commonly encountered verse that happens to be my favorite:

I'm New York born and New York bred....
I'm thick in the arm and thick in the head....


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 02:56 PM

Joe -- HOW did you include that music notation in a posting? Can any of us do it?
    You have to have a Magic Edit Button, Richard. And even then, I used notation that was already at another location at Mudcat, not just any old stuff.
    -Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor-


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 03:31 PM

An unknown folkie simply adapted it from one of Hugill's other chanteys, where it's Liverpool, not New York.


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 11:48 PM

In the 1973 album The X-Seamen's Institute Sings at the South Street Seaport, the late Bernie Klay did these lyrics:

I thought I heard the Old Man say
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
Tomorrow is our sailing day
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
Turai-ay, oh, turai-ay
John Kanaka-naka, turai-ay

I thought I heard the bos'n say
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
There's work tomorrow, but no work today
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
Turai-ay, oh, turai-ay
John Kanaka-naka, turai-ay

The bos'n says before I'm through
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
You'll curse your mother for having you
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
Turai-ay, oh, turai-ay
John Kanaka-naka, turai-ay

There's rotten meat and weevily bread
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
It's pump or drown, the Old Man said
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
Turai-ay, oh, turai-ay
John Kanaka-naka, tulai-ay

She would not steer and she would not stay
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
She shipped the water night and day
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
Turai-ay, oh, turai-ay
John Kanaka-naka, turai-ay

It's one more pull and then we'll do
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
And we're the bullies to pull her through
John Kanaka-naka turai-ay
Turai-ay, oh, turai-ay
John Kanaka-naka, turai-ay

John Kanaka by the X-Seamen's Institute


Jay


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Subject: RE: Origins: John Kanaka
From: bubblyrat
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 04:50 AM

An amalgam of "John Kanaka" , "Whip Jamboree" and "Leave Her Johnny, Leave Her" , Jay !!


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