Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST Date: 17 Aug 18 - 01:02 AM Church style, no. However, for a more modern song dealing with religious hypocrisy, Pat Macdonald's "Prey" comes to mind; also, he is at least the partial writer of "Standard White Jesus." Perhaps more anti-theism than non-theism. Perhaps every song that doesn't mention one god or another, is godless. 'Atheism Church Music' might be a contradiction. |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 16 Aug 18 - 03:01 PM Horatius Bonar was a "rationalist" theologian, not an atheist at all. In 1870, many British citizens seemed to be remembered forever by their names and titles, such as 7th Earl of Something; Bonar's point is that this does not really count. As for naive ideas about afterlife, sitting on a cloud and watching the earth like a TV show, surrounded by 72 virgins - you may be surprised how many theologians of many religions failed to subscribe to that, without calling themselves atheists. |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Observer Date: 16 Aug 18 - 06:05 AM Am I alone in thinking "only remembered by what we have done" to be utterly pointless? Asks BobL. Read the lyrics Bob - all about the inevitability of death, the choices an individual faces in life, the consequences of those choice and the importance of making the right choices. Far from pointless I would say. Plus the fact that it has given John Tams a good song to trot out now and again, that he doesn't have to work on too hard to remove any mention of religion or God. |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: Phil Cooper Date: 15 Aug 18 - 10:36 PM Two of Dave Carter's songs would work as other types of hymns. Gentle Soldier of My Soul is a hymn for people of all beliefs. The imagery follows the 23rd Psalm with Native American imagery. Mother I Climbed he said is going beyond belief into acceptance. You can find both songs on youtube. |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: Joe_F Date: 15 Aug 18 - 09:49 PM The Preacher and the Slave |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: BobL Date: 15 Aug 18 - 02:49 AM Am I alone in thinking "only remembered by what we have done" to be utterly pointless? How else would we be remembered? I include such things as being a good friend/relative/spouse (or a bad one, come to that) under the heading of "what we have done" BTW |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,John C. Bunnell Date: 15 Aug 18 - 12:21 AM I think I can make a recommendation here that actually meets the terms of the original request, way, way upstream, both for an artist and a specific song or two. The artist is Cat Faber, who's known in the SF/fantasy "filk" community as a first-rate musician and song-crafter, both on her own and previously as part of the duo Echo's Children. One long-running thread in her work is the importance of human action as opposed to dependence on the divine, and there is among her newer works in fact an Atheist's Anthem. A look through her other work, as archived on the linked Web site, may also prove fruitful. I would also suggest looking up the Echo's Children album A Dancing World; there are several songs on that album that may be of interest. |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Date: 14 Aug 18 - 02:13 PM A propos of very little ... This weekend saw the annual Cruinniú na mBád festival of traditional workboats here in my adopted home of Kinvara in the West of Ireland. On Sunday morning, as ever, there was an open air sung Mass followed by Blessing of the Boats. That Mass is in the Irish language, includes both solo and choral singing - and is broadcast on either national Irish language radio or, as this year, a local FM station. An avowed agnostic of (very) long standing, I am nonetheless very happy to join that choir and sing my heart out... Regards |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Observer Date: 14 Aug 18 - 02:11 PM The Rev. Horatius Bonar's Only Remembered would fit the "Godless Hymn" part of the equation. His original words are as follows: Only Remembered (Horatius Bonar 1870) Fading away like the stars of the morning, Losing their light in the glorious sun— Thus would we pass from the earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done. Refrain Only remembered, only remembered, Only remembered by what we have done; Thus would we pass from the earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done. Shall we be missed though by others succeeded, Reaping the fields we in springtime have sown? No, for the sowers may pass from their labors, Only remembered by what they have done. Refrain Only the truth that in life we have spoken, Only the seed that on earth we have sown; These shall pass onward when we are forgotten, Fruits of the harvest and what we have done. Refrain No mention of God, or of religion. |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Observer Date: 14 Aug 18 - 02:11 PM The Rev. Horatius Bonar's Only Remembered would fit the "Godless Hymn" part of the equation. His original words are as follows: Only Remembered (Horatius Bonar 1870) Fading away like the stars of the morning, Losing their light in the glorious sun— Thus would we pass from the earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done. Refrain Only remembered, only remembered, Only remembered by what we have done; Thus would we pass from the earth and its toiling, Only remembered by what we have done. Shall we be missed though by others succeeded, Reaping the fields we in springtime have sown? No, for the sowers may pass from their labors, Only remembered by what they have done. Refrain Only the truth that in life we have spoken, Only the seed that on earth we have sown; These shall pass onward when we are forgotten, Fruits of the harvest and what we have done. Refrain No mention of God, or of religion. |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: FreddyHeadey Date: 14 Aug 18 - 12:26 PM ^^^^^^^ ""Lost in a Song", 1966, " =1996 |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: Stringsinger Date: 10 Apr 11 - 01:01 PM My last post didn't make it. Condensed it said hymns can be beautiful, my faves are African-American but they are irrelevant to any marriage ceremony depending on the wishes of the couple. Plenty of secular songs about love, social beneficence and humanity. I essentially agree with Joe's cogent observation about atheists. The word "anti-theist" might suggest an antipathy to those who are religious but most of the secular folks I know don't go there. Again, Separation of Church and State from the warnings of Madison and Jefferson are implied in the Constitution regardless of what Christine O'Donnel says. Adams pointed it out very well in the treaty to the Mohammedan Nation, to whit, "We are not a Christian nation". He is still right. |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: Desert Dancer Date: 10 Apr 11 - 12:21 PM Another Atheist Hymns thread, which pretty much chronologically brackets this one. ~ Becky in Long Beach |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Charles Biada Date: 10 Apr 11 - 12:17 PM 110 Mount Vernon in the Sacred Harp is rather areligious for a hymn: What solemn sound the ear invades, What wraps the land in sorrow's shade? From heav'n the awful mandate flies, The father of his country dies. Where shall our nation turn its eye, What help remains beneath the sky? Our friend, protector, strength and trust, Lies low and mould'ring in the dust. So is 67 Columbus, if you ignore the last verse. And of course there is always Leon Rosselson's magnificent "Stand Up For Judas." |
Subject: RE: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,MMB Date: 10 Apr 11 - 10:18 AM CBS Sunday Morning just ran a feature on the "war horses" that preceded the introduction of tanks into warfare, and the carnage, both human and equine, that followed. The piece focused on a stage production originally mounted in London that is now moving to the US, where the horses are presented by larger-than-life puppets. I wouldn't have paid it much attention if "Only Remembered" hadn't played in the background throughout much of the piece, which is what led me to Mudcat to refresh my memory of the lyrics, which was enriched by seeing the variety of versions I'd never heard before. Thanks to all who contributed! |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Prezmyra Date: 26 May 00 - 12:08 AM Here're the complete lyrics to "Wind on Sea" (the Anuna translation): "I am the wind that breathes on the sea I am the wave, wave on the ocean I am the ray, the eye of the Sun I am the tomb, cold in the darkness I am a star, the tear of the Sun, I am a wonder, a wonder in flower. I am the spear as it cries out for blood the word of great power. I am the depths of a great pool I am the song of the blackbird. Who but I can cast light upon the meeting of the mountains? Who but I will cry aloud the changes of the moon? Who but I can find the place where hides away the Sun? Ailiu iath nErenn. From the breeze on the mountain to the lake of deep blue; from the waterfall down to the sea Never changing or ending on the voice of the wind Sing the dark song of Erenn to me." Again, that's from the Anuna CD "Invocation"- lovely recording; there's a beautiful version of Siuil a Ruin on it, too. Valete, Prezmyra |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: John in Brisbane Date: 25 May 00 - 07:36 PM There have been quite a few mentions of 'Carmina Burana' and although I've had the pleasure of singing Carmina Burana (or at least the O Fortuna component in Latin), I just realised that some readers here may not be totally familiar with it.
Orff's copyright is very vigilantly protected by his estate/attorneys to the extent that even the method of presentation must be sanctioned, eg if he wrote the piece for French Horn and two pianos, then permission for performance may not be granted for some other form of accompaniment. For this reason the MIDIs for his works are not present on many of the larger Classical MIDI sites. I'll find a site with Carmina/O Fortuna and post the URL. It's a fantastic hummable tune a la Chariots of Fire or Conquest of Paradise and one that's probably been flogged to death in corporate TV ads around your part of the world.
Maybe someone could help me find a good English translation on the Web. I know that there's at least one out there, but I won't have a chance to go looking for a while.
Regards, John |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 25 May 00 - 01:38 PM Hi, Guest, glad you like this thread, can you post anything else on Wind on Sea? Sounds beautiful, just what I wanted... |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST Date: 25 May 00 - 01:30 PM Hi, all! I just read a couple of these threads on a whim, hoping for, well, I don't know what. I never expected such a fascinating and intellectual discussion- thanks you all for your intelligence and tolerance! I go to school in Virginia, and the campus is overwhelmingly Christian. I'm agnostic; the attitudes of most of the people I know towards that can get very wearing. A lot of people I know (including a roommate...grr!) don't seem to be able to accept that I'm actually happy with such a belief system, and really don't secretly yearn to be converted. It's wonderful to have found a group of folks who don't consider agnosticism/atheism to make one a sort of misguided moral misfit! As to the original question of this thread, I'd like to suggest a very old Celtic song, written by a poet named, I believe (though I can't vouch for the spelling), Amergin Glungel. The version I have is called "Wind on Sea", and it's recorded by Anuna on their CD "Invocation". The lyrics are in English, translated from the original poem and then set to music. It's not really a song celebrating atheism, but it does celebrate the self in an almost religious way. The chorus reads: "Who but I can cast light upon the meeting of the mountains? Who but I will cry aloud the changes of the moon? Who but I can find the place where hides away the Sun?" And one last comment, concerning the Carmina Burana. A little bit of history- these songs were written, for the most part, by men known as Goliards or clerici vagantes (wandering clerics). During, I believe, the 9th through 13th centuries, these men generally drifted around Europe seeking learning and writing poetry. And yes, some of it is pretty racy. The Goliard songs were generally written about women, drinking, the corruption of the church, and the joys of the wandering lifestyle. One of my favorites is the Archpoet's "Goliardic Confession". "Made of the light stuff of the elements, I am like a leaf, with which the winds play." Beautiful Latin; the beginning celebrates the many pleasures of not being tied down to anything- both local and moral. Sorry this is so long and rambling! If my info's wrong, let me know- I'm a Latin fan, but I'm a little too lazy (and busy!) to give it the time I should. Valete! Prezmyra |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 25 May 00 - 11:03 AM Sure, John, I've only gotten it into text so far...My email is on the bbc site if you want to do it that way. |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: John in Brisbane Date: 24 May 00 - 11:51 PM Mrrzy, I had to do a lot of work to get it into HTML table format. If you want to save yourelf a lot of duplication I'll send you the original .csv or similar file. Regards, John |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: Penny S. Date: 24 May 00 - 01:46 PM Perhaps this works better.
It was good enough for George Fox, Penny |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: Penny S. Date: 24 May 00 - 01:44 PM It was good enough for George Fox, for me. Penny |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: Mrrzy Date: 24 May 00 - 01:31 PM Joe or any other officials, any counter-offer on the greatest number of verses? I go with John in Brisbane too! And I'll get the whole thing cleaned up and resubmitted in Digitrad format. At some point. In my copious free time...(says a single parent of preschool twins whose firm is undergoing yet another merger) |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: John in Brisbane Date: 23 May 00 - 08:20 PM I hereby claim the prize for the greatest number of verses submitted for a single song in the DT. Mrr, glad you enjoyed them. Regards, John |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 23 May 00 - 10:27 AM Thank you, thank you, these are SUPERB! Must copy, transcribe, and post in my office at home forthwith! I am also reminded of a bumber sticker: Cthulhu For President! Why vote for the lesser of two evils? |
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: John in Brisbane Date: 23 May 00 - 01:27 AM And finally?
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Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music? From: John in Brisbane Date: 23 May 00 - 01:21 AM
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Subject: ADD: Old Time Religion Verses From: John in Brisbane Date: 23 May 00 - 01:10 AM Mrr, you said you would like a few more verses of Old Time Religion - ever willing to oblige. Here's 667 of them. Regards, John
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