Origins: Bogie's Bonny Belle

Subject: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From:
Date: 24 May 00 - 05:27 PM

Does anyone know Archie Fisher's lyrics to Bogie's Bonny Belle? I can understand about 90% of it, but the remaining sections baffle me. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has a better ear than me. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Susan of DT
Date: 24 May 00 - 05:52 PM

Search for Bogie* in the big blue search box above. Note that bonnie is spelled in too many ways to be a good word to search on.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: TerriM
Date: 24 May 00 - 07:26 PM

We once made a truly disgusting cocktail which we christened Belles Bonnie Bogie.....it was green and slimy. To our non-brit friends who may not know, a bogie is Brit for a booger.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Pene Azul
Date: 24 May 00 - 10:52 PM

Here's a shortcut. It is here in the DT: BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE (click).
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BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE (DT Lyrics)

At market day in Huntley toon, an' it was there I did agree
Wi' Bogieside the farmer a twelvemonth for to fee
Tae drive his twa best horses, that's a task that I could do
Tae drive his twa best horses in the harrow and the ploo

Now Bogie had a dochter, her name was Isabelle
She was the lily o' the valley an' the primrose o' the dell
An' when she went oot walkin', she chose me for her guide
Doon by the burn at Cairnie, tae watch the fishes glide

And when three months was scarcely o'er, the lassie lost her
bloom
An' the red fell frae her bonnie cheeks an' her eyes began to
swoon
Noo, the neist nine months were past and gone, she brought tae me
a son
And I was quickly sent for tae see what could be done
I said that I would marry her, but oh that widna dae
For, "You're nae match for Bonnie Belle, an' she's nae match for
thee"
He sent me packin' doon the road, wi' nae penny o' my fee
Sae a' ye lads o' Huntley toon a lang fareweel tae ye.

But noo she's marrit tae a tinker lad, wha bides in Huntley toon
He mends pots and pans and paraffin lamps, an' scours the country
roon
Maybe she's gotten a better match - auld Bogie canna tell -
But it was me wha's ta'en the maidenheid o' Bogie's bonnie Belle

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Thaditional Ballad Index entry:

Bogie's Bonnie Belle

DESCRIPTION: Singer meets Bogie and goes to work for him; his daugher Isabel meets him by the river. She delivers a son, and Bogie sends for the singer, who promises to marry her. Bogie says the singer's not worthy of his daughter. Bogie's daughter marries a tinker
AUTHOR: Unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1906 (GreigDuncan7)
LONG DESCRIPTION: Singer, going to Huntley, meets Bogie and arranges to drive horses for him; his daugher Isabel chooses him for her guide, down by the river. Later, she delivers a son, and Bogie sends for the singer, who promises to marry her. Bogie says the singer's not worthy of his daughter, so (the singer takes his son away while) Bogie's daughter marries a tinker; the singer takes his leave (and boasts of having taken her maidenhead) (or he wishes her well)
KEYWORDS: hardheartedness courting seduction sex bragging pregnancy baby father lover
FOUND IN: Britain(Scotland(Aber))
REFERENCES (4 citations):
GreigDuncan7 1396, GreigDuncan8 Addenda, "Bogie's Bonnie Bell" (13 texts, 11 tunes)
Kennedy 340, "Bogie's Bonnie Belle" (1 text, 1 tune)
MacSeegTrav 81, "Bogie's Bonnie Belle" (1 text, 1 tune)
DT, BOGIEBEL*
Roud #2155
RECORDINGS:
Davie Stewart, "Bogie's Bonny Belle" (on FSB01)
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "Adieu to Bogie Side" (lyrics)
cf. "The Plains of Waterloo" (tune, per GreigDuncan7)
cf. "Erin's Lovely Home" (tune, per GreigDuncan7)
NOTES [133 words]: According to Kennedy, a "literary" version of the song by John Riddel [indexed as "Adieu to Bogie Side" - RBW] was printed in Ford's Vagabond Songs and Ballads of Scotland, 1900. - PJS
This is an instance of a difficult conundrum, which initially led me to lump the songs. There is good evidence that this "literary" version is a traditional song (Ford and Ord have very different versions, and Grieg found quite a few versions). And Ord's longish version has clear links to Kennedy's song. Links, but not really the same plot (e.g. the pregnancy vanishes). Still, I suspect there are versions which mix. Best to check the references to both songs.
I find myself wondering if Riddell didn't know both songs, and create his version (with its references to the muses, etc.) from scraps of both. - RBW
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Paul Snow
Date: 25 May 00 - 03:32 PM

I suspect that Archie Fisher learnt this song from Davy Stewart as I did.

Which words don't you understand?

Subject: Lyr Add: BELLE'S BONNIE BOGIE (Les Barker)
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 May 00 - 04:21 PM

TerriM

Your mention of Belles Bonnie Bogie sent me looking for my Les Barker/Mrs Ackroyd Band CDs. I've spent all week looking but haven't been able to track down my "Gnus and Roses" CD. So here it is from memory (corrections gratefully received).

BELLE'S BONNIE BOGIE
(Les Barker)

As I gae'd oot by Huntly toon
One evenin' for tae fare
I fell in wi' Bogie O'Cairnie
On his rare and hairy mare.

I am a bloomin' ploomon
I ken hoo tae ploo, the noo
Ye ken a mon hae got tae ploo
What a mon hae got tae ploo

Noo the fairmer had a dochter
Her name it were Belle
She had an awfu' big nose
And a powerfu' sense of smell

I wish that I could marry Belle.
If I could have ma' choose.
I'd hold her by the legs
And we could hoover roond the hoose.

One day she went oot walking
And Belle she fell asleep
She sucked up a' the daffodils
And a herd o' passin' sheep

And when the shepherd he came there
A-callin' for his dogie
He came upon a black and roond
Really massive bogie

It was the biggest in the worrrld
There cannae be a doot
And a' the folks from roond aboot
Cam' roond to roll it oot

There's airms and legs a stickin' oot
And soon a face appears
Twas the fairmer's Uncle Angus
Why, he'd not been seen for years

Belle's Bonnie Bogie
It outgrew the Stone of Scone
I own that Belle had blown
An Elgin Mairble of her own

They rolled it roond and roond the toon
Till they found the pairfect spot
Most monuments are granite
But in Huntly toon it's not

So if ye gang tae Huntly toon
Ye'll see it lying there
Bogie, bonnie Belle's bogie
A-standin' in the square

^^ Sung by Alison Younger on the Mrs Ackroyd Band album "Gnus and Roses"
VRH

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Joerg
Date: 27 May 00 - 09:59 PM

One of the songs with MANY different lyrics. Does anybody know the lyrics of the version performed by Eddie&Finbar Furey in the 70's(?)? What GUEST,carol@... said at the very beginning also applies to me for that one.

Snuffy - "Gnus and Roses" is CHARMING...

Joerg

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: TerriM
Date: 28 May 00 - 02:03 PM

gotta love Les!My personal favourite is 'Dachsunds with erections can't climb stairs'...sorry, thread creep.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,jayohjo
Date: 28 May 00 - 07:34 PM

one of my faves, as my mum always used to sing it - thats how i know it, but it now appears (backed up by her) that she learnt hers from davy as well. beeyootiful song though!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Joerg
Date: 28 May 00 - 09:01 PM

TerriM - that shows some deep insight. In german there is a saying: "The devil is a squirrel (i.e. he can get on the highest tree)".

Joerg

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 May 00 - 09:29 PM

Carol,

A question ! I am making some assumptions/conclusions from your e-mail address. Are you the Carol McComb from the great 1960s era LP Kathy & Carol (Elektra?) that is still one of my favorite albums of all time? If so, welcome to Mudcat and your being here is really very nice to see.

Also: Please check out Lou Killen's version of this fine song for which you search. It's a beauty.

Art Thieme [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 29 May 00 - 10:06 AM

One of the first 2 or 3 songs I learned to sing with the guitar.

All the best,
Dan Milner

Subject: Lyr Add: BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE (Archie Fisher)
From: Abby Sale
Date: 29 May 00 - 08:39 PM

 

                       BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE
                        (per Archie Fisher, on Archie Fisher, Xtra - LP, c1969)

As I gaed in by Huntley toon, yin morning for tae fee
I fell in wi' Bogie o' Cairnie and wi' him I did agree

Tae ca' his twa best horses, or cairt or [ferry] a ploo' ¹
(Tae work the twa best horses in either cairt or ploo') ²
(Tae drive his twa best horses, likewise his cairt and ploo') ³
Or dae onything aboot fairmwork I very well could do.

Now Bogie had a daughter, and her name was Isabelle
She was the flower o' the valley and the primrose o' the dell

And when she gaed oot walkin', she chose me for her guide
Down by the burn o' Cairnie, tae watch sma' fishes glide ⁴

The first three months being past and o'er, this lassie lost her bloom
An' the red fell frae her rosey cheeks and her eyes began to swoon

When nine long months were past and gane, she brought forth tae me a son
And I was quickly called for tae see what could be done

I said that I would marry her but no, that wudna do
For, "You're no' a match for ma bonnie Belle, an' she's no' a match for you"

Well now she's married tae a tinkler chiel, wha bides in Huntley toon
He mends pots and pans and paraffin lamps, an' he scours the country roon

Aye, an' maybe she's gotten a better lad; auld Bogie canna tell
So fareweel ye lads o' Huntlyside and Bogie's bonnie Belle
 
 

¹ That's just one or two words I don't get.  Sorry.  Maybe I got it & it means "ironwork" (sharpen, eg) a
   plough.  But I doubt it.
² Greig~Duncan, Vol 7, version "K"
³ Hall/Buchan The Scottish Folksinger, a collated version - no attribution
⁴ This reminds me of our dates when we first got driver's licences at age 16.  We'd often go off of an
  evening with our dates to watch the submarine races.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 29 May 00 - 11:59 PM

To work his twa best horses, cairt or harry or pleugh   (John A. Brune, The Roving Songster, 1965.)  From George Murray of Aberdeen.

Peter Kennedy (Folksongs of Britain and Ireland) has a version from Davie Stewart; the same line, though spelt slightly differently.

In the UK, we aren't allowed to drive until we're 17; which is obviously just as well, since the fish population is no longer what it was...

Malcolm

Subject: Lyr Add: BELLE'S BONNIE BOGIE (from Alison Younger
From: Snuffy
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 06:06 PM

I couldn't find my Gnus & Roses CD back in May 2000 (see above)because I'd lent it to a friend. I got it back last night, and discovered that my memory had indeed been faulty. Here's the full version of Belles's Bonnie Bogie as sung by Alison Younger

BELLE'S BONNIE BOGIE

As I gae'd in by Huntly toon
This mornin' for tae fare
I fell in wi' Bogie O'Cairnie
On his rare and hairy mare.

I am a bloomin' ploomon
I ken hoo tae ploo, the noo
Ye ken a mon hae got tae ploo
What a mon hae got tae ploo

Noo the fairmer had a dochter
Her name it were Belle
She had an awfu' big nose
And a powerfu' sense of smell

And when she gaed oot walking
Pickin' floors o'er the glen
She inhaled a' the daffodils
And sucked in some passin' men

I wish that I could marry Belle.
Ach weel, if I could choose.
I'd hold her by the legs
And we could hoover roond the hoose.

She breathed in half a forest
And a flock o' Hieland sheep
The shepherd had tae tak 'em oot
When Belle she fell asleep

And while the shepherd he were there
A-ca'in' for his dogie
He cam across a black and roond
Really massive bogie

It were the biggest in the world
There cannae be a doot
And a' the fairmers roond aboot
Cam' roond to roll it oot

There's airms and legs a stickin' oot
And soon a face appears
Twas the fairmer's Uncle Angus
Why, he'd not been seen for years

Belle's Bonnie Bogie
It outgrew the Stone of Scone
I own that Belle had blown
An Elgin Mairble of her own

There was a vairse upon the bogie
By William McGonnigal
The poem didnae scan
Which cam as nae surprise tae man, woman, chiel or dogie at all.

We rolled it roond and roond the toon
Till we found the pairfect spot
Most monuments are granite
But in Huntly toon it's not

And if ye gae by Huntly toon
Ye'll see it lyin' there
Bogie, bonnie Belle's bogie
Lyin' in the square

Sung by Alison Younger on the Mrs Ackroyd Band album "Gnus and Roses" DOG010

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 02:12 AM

The words of the first verse causing confusion--- ---tae cairt or harry or pleugh---" "Cairt " is obvious, as is "pleugh"; the word "harry " means "harrow" ---the process of dragging a harrow across a seeded field in order to bury the grain. One of my favourite bothy ballads.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,yum yum
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 07:49 AM

Sheila Stewart sings a version of 'Bogie's Bonny Belle' on her album 'From the heart of the tradition.' I have heard quite a few versions of this ballad but I must admit that this takes the top prize!---Oh!!! and by the way, I cant remember who it was who informed us lately about TOPIC RECORDS being on line but I was able to buy this album of Sheila Stewart (and get my FREE CD as well) thanks to who-ever you are.

Thats what I love about Mudcat, great information!!

Good-luck all

yum yum

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: DonMeixner
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 08:37 AM

Get Seamus Kennedy's CD with it on. He has kindly translated it into English for us who speak no Calebonics.

Don

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Wayne Bean
Date: 09 Jan 02 - 12:55 PM

Re: Abby Sale's question about the second verse. She did some good guessing:

"Tae Ca (drive) his twa best horses

Tae cairt or harrie (harrow) or ploo

Or dae ony thin aboot fairmwork

As I righct weel can do"

The parenthetical stuff are definitions/transliterations. This version is pretty much in Northeastern dialect.

Subject: Tune Add: BELLES'S BONNIE BOGIE
From: Snuffy
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 06:19 PM

The (defective) version of Belle's Bonnie Bogie that I posted 27 May 00 - 04:21 PM has made its way into the DT. Unfortunately that was done from memory, and I conflated verses 4 and 6, and totally omitted verse 11.

I later posted a corrected version 28 Sep 01 - 06:06 PM, but these corrections have not got into DT.

The song is on Mmario's Missing Tunes List. The tune is not the same as the one in DT for Bogie's Bonnie Belle, but is substantially the same as the one used by Finbar & Eddie Furey for that song. Here's an ABC (using the corrected version).

X: 240
T:BELLES'S BONNIE BOGIE
M:4/4
L:1/4
Q:90
S:Les Barker
K:BMIX
B|B>BcB|
w:As I gae'd in by
M:5/4
A<GF2B,|
w:Hunt-ly toon This
M:4/4
E<EFG|
w:mor-nin' for tae
M:5/4
B4B/B/|
w:fare I fell
M:4/4
AGF/F/E|
w:in wi' Bo-gie O'-
M:6/4
F<BA3G/F/|
w:Cair_-nie On his
M:4/4
E<CB,<A,|B,4||
w:rare and hair-y mare.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Big Tim
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 05:08 PM

I have just glanced at the thread but have seen no reference to the Bogie. This small river runs north through Huntly, Aberdeenshire. It joins the River Isla (not the much bigger River Isla in Co. Angus), then joins the River Spey, then the North Sea. Haven't noticed either any reference to Christy Moore's pretty straight recording of the song.

Incidentally, the song is all wrong: the most beautiful and by far the most sexy woman ever to come out of Huntly was Margaret C.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 05:21 PM

I actually live in Huntly! Ive never heard that other version of the song but I like it! I have a friend who sings this song alot ( i do know parts of it i should learn it!!) He has found out that the Bogie in the song isnt the river. The river bogie runs no where near Cairnie (which is a few miles out of Huntly) Instead, what used to happen on the farms was the farmer was called after his farm, so the farm could have had a reference to Bogie or Bogie side or even Strathbogie (which is the old name for Huntly before the Gordons changed it!). Hence Bogie o Cairnie. and just for the record, we hardly ever say Cairnie, we pronounce it Kyar-nee! I think there was something else to add to this but i seem to have forgotten! I'll post as soon as i remember!

Shona

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Eoin
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 10:51 AM

Christy Moore has recorded two fine versions of the song. I come from Cork in the south of Ireland, where I regularily sing it with Bouzouki accompaniment by myself, I know of only one other person who sings it in the Munster area, that's Gerry Mc Namara from Limerick

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Robert Black of "Sticky Willie"
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM

AS I cam in by Huntly toon,
Yin mornin fur tae fie,
Refers to the old tradition of farm workers making their way to village livestock sales/fairs to bargain with local farmers to carry out alloted tasks for an agreed fee (fie)
Archie Fisher's rendition of this song cannot be bettered.... if you have not heard it & you like/love this song, then you have missed the best. I've been performing this for 40yrs & I can still choke up while singing it.... & I have not been nervous on stage since 1970 !!
stickywillie.co.uk

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 02:00 PM

guest eoin,Ilive in the munster area and sing it,and haverecorded it.http:www.dickmiles.com

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 05:50 AM

Just to put the cat among the pigeons.

I used to sing this lovely song, but got a flea in my ear from Paul Graney (RIP), a noted folklorist. Denizens of the Manchester scene will remember him well.

I sang " . . . pots and pans and paraffin lamps . . .".

Paul told me it should be " . . . pots and pans and ladles . . . ", and who was I to argue ? Paul had more than likely forgotten more about "folk" than I might ever learn, and I was happy to accept his erudition.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:34 PM

I was hoping to find the text of this song in an old book. But first there is the problem of spelling. It could be BOGEY, BOGIE, or BOGY. It could be BONNIE or BONNY. It could be BELL or BELLE. That makes 12 possible combinations. I found 8 of them—and that's just among the recordings found at Allmusic.com. (I never did find an old text.)

BOGEY'S BONNIE BELL
Dave Donohue, "The Musical Pub Crawl," ?.

BOGEY'S BONNIE BELLE
Christy Moore, "Christy Moore Folk Collection," 1978.
Paul 'Limey' Murray, "Traditional Scottish Ballads," 2005.
Paul Murray, "Ultimate Collection: The Sound of Scotland," 2007.
Steve Tilston, "Ship of Fools," 1988.
Tempest, "Turn of the Wheel," 1996.
Unknown, "Scottish Flavours," 2002.

BOGEY'S BONNY BELLE
Unknown, "Essential Irish Folk Collection," 2003.
Unknown, "Sound of Irish Folk [Dolphin]," 2002.

BOGIE'S BONNIE BELL
Andy M. Stewart, "Dublin Lady," 1987.
Carl Peterson, "Auld Scotch Sangs," 2000.
Gaberlunzie, "Wind and Water, Time and Tide," 2004.
John McDermott, "Celtic Tenor," 2004.

BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE
Barry Dransfield, "Popular to Contrary Belief," 2008.
Bert Jansch, "Leather Launderette," 1988.
Cherish the Ladies, "Woman of the House," 2005.
Christy Moore, "Common Ground: Voices Of Modern Irish Music," 1996.
Debbie Brewin-Wilson, "Dream of Caledonia," 2002.
Isla St. Clair, "Tatties & Herrin': The Land," 1997.
Jock Tamson's Bairns, "May Ye Never Lack a Scone," 2001.
June Tabor, "Aqaba," 1988.
Lisa Moscatiello, "Innocent When You Dream," 1997.
Richard Thompson, "Watching the Dark," 1993.
Robin & Barry Dransfield, "Even More.Popular to Contrary Belief," 2008.
Robin Dransfield, "Lighter Touch," 2008.
Robin Dransfield, "Up to Now," 1997.
Rod Paterson, "Scottish Harps," 1998.
Saoirse, "Celtic Eclectic," 2007.
Sheila Stewart, "From the Heart of the Tradition," 2000.
The Corries, "Sound the Pibroch," 1972.
The Corries, "Strings and Things/A Little of What You Fancy," 2003.
Willson & McKee, "This Thin Place," 2006.

BOGIE'S BONNY BELLE
Archie Fisher, "Best of Scottish Folk [Essential]," 2002.
Archie Fisher, "Folk Roots: A Classic Anthology of Song," 2004.
Archie Fisher, "Transatlantic Box Set," 1998.
Finbar & Eddie Furey, "Best of Finbar & Eddie Furey," 1991.
Hamish Imlach, "Borderlands: The Best of Scottish Folk," 2006.
Jimmy MacBeath, "Tramps & Hawkers: The Alan Lomax Portait Series," 2002.
John Kirkpatrick, "One Man and His Box," 2000.
Old Blind Dogs, "Gab O Mey," 2003.
Owen Hand, "Something New/I Loved a Lass," ?.
Sula, "Over Seas," 2005.

BOGY'S BONNIE BELLE
The Fureys, "Drop of Irish," 1999.

BOGY'S BONNY BELLE
Finbar & Eddie Furey, "Collection," 1992.
Finbar & Eddie Furey, "Finbar and Eddie Furey/The Lonesome Boatman," 1997.
The Fureys, "Spanish Cloak," 1998.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Effsee
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:22 PM

None of which mentions what I regard as the definitive version, sung by Tom Spiers on the 1976(?) album "Beware of the Aberdonian" recorded by the Gaugers. Recently re-released by Sleepytown records.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:51 PM

There are a number of early C20 versions in the Greig-Duncan Collection (vol VII, number 1396) which make it pretty clear that the word was Boghead; as pointed out earlier, it was common to refer to farmers by the name of the land they farmed; still is in some places.

You're unlikely to find the song in any old books. Most of the list above are commercial arrangements recorded by modern revival performers, so not likely to help. The notes to G-D VII include the following (page 518) from Gavin Greig's MS:

'Written originally by John Geddes, foreman at Boghead of Cairnie, fifty-four years ago. Believed to have been himself here. Copy from G. Stevenson, Mill of Towie, Auchindochy, Keith. Extracted from Farm Servant Magazine 1913.'

The editors also quote information supplied by Peter Hall, as follows:

'Isabel Morison, the heroine of this song, was born at Boghead, 20 September 1823, as the daughter of Alexander Morison (Old Parish Register, Cairnie). She again appears at Boghead in the census of 1841. Her illegitimate son, James, was born on 16 June 1843, the father being James Stephen from the parish of Glass(OPR, Cairnie). In the census of 1851, the son was living with his paternal uncle in the parish of Glass, lending credence to the versions of the song which have the father remove the child from the maternal home. Isabel Morrison [sic] is no longer at Boghead in 1851.'

A locally made song, though set to older tunes; in the early C20 it seems that some of the people involved were still remembered, though local tradition may have confused their identities a bit. The versions in G-D that mention lamps mostly have them as naptha lamps, incidentally; I don't know why Paul Graney insisted on 'ladles'. Perhaps he wasn't aware of those older examples.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: davyr
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:33 AM

I'm not surprised that nobody has mentioned the beautiful version of the song on this album, considering it's been "unavailable" for years:

LER 2094 Roger Nicholson, Jake Walton & Andrew Cronshaw Times & Traditions for Dulcimer

http://folkopedia.efdss.org/Leader_Records

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Vic Smith
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:48 AM

Effsee says
None of which mentions what I regard as the definitive version, sung by Tom Spiers on the 1976(?) album "Beware of the Aberdonian" recorded by the Gaugers. Recently re-released by Sleepytown records.
Largely, I would go along with this. Tam's slightly different tune and commanding performance are magnificent. It may not be better than the wild raw excitement of the treatment of the song by the incomparable Davy Stewart, The Galoot, but Tam's approach puts him on a par with the master. (Just checked the vinyl sleeve and yes it was 1976)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 06:20 AM

Thank you for this, Malcolm. I've no wish to be controversial :-) - just that Paul could be a crusty oul' bugger, at times !

Subject: ADD Version: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Dave MacKenzie
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 06:50 PM

BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE

As I gaed up to Huntly toon
Ae morning for a fee
I met Bogheid o' Cyarnie;
Wi' him I did agree.

To work his twa best horses,
Cart or harrow or plough,
Or anything aboot fairm work
I very well could do.

Auld Bogie had a dochter,
Her name was Isabelle;
The floo'er o' the valley
And the primrose o' the dell.

And when she went oot walking
She choosed me for her guide
Down by the burns o' Cyarnie
To watch the fishes glide.

The first six months had past an' gone,
The lassie lost her bloom;
The red fell from her bonnie cheeks
An' her eyes begin to swoom.

The neist nine months were scarcely o'er
She brought forth to me a young son
And I was quickly sent for
To see what could be done.

They said I should marry her
But Losh! that wouldna dae,
Sayin' I'm nae a match for your bonnie Belle
And she's nae match for me.

But noo she's married wi' a tinker lad
He comes frae Huntly toon;
He sells pots and pans and paraffin lamps
And he scours the country roun'.

But maybe she's gotten a better match,
Auld Bogie canna tell,
'Twas Peter took the maidenheid
O' Bogie's bonnie Belle.

As sung by Jane Stewart on Topic LP 12T179, "The Travelling Stewarts". Learnt from her father, Davy Stewart, whose version appears on Topic LP 12T157, "Songs of Courtship".

A few variations there.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Robert Black of Sticky Willie
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:10 AM

'Tis the nature of Folk Music now & in the past & probably the future , to take established tunes & lyrics & meld them into a local tradition or story. Robert Burns never wrote an original tune in his whole prolific life !! Enjoy it all & if the need takes you, change what you already know, to that which will amuse/entertain your audience/friends. THAT IS FOLK MUSIC !!!( The telling of tales )

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: ossonflags
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:40 AM

No one has mentioned the version done by the late great Ian{Jock} Manual
recorded by Topic 12TS220 The Frosty Ploughshare.For me the best version and the one I sing.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: goatfell
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:47 AM

what about the corries version

Subject: ADD Version: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,Barney
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 07:11 PM

These are the original bothy ballad lyrics, as performed by Jim Reid on the simply amazing album "I saw the wild geese flee"
Still available, see -
http://www.musicscotland.com/cd/jim-reid-i-saw-wild-geese-flee-musicscotland.html
If you have not heard this recording, you should (and I have no commercial connection)

It's nothing to do with Bogheid - that's another song on the album

""""


BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE

Ae Witsuntide at Huntly toun,
'Twas there I did agree,
Wi auld Bogieside, the fairmer,
A sixmonths for tae fee.

Noo Bogie wis a hungery chiel,
An this I knew fu well;
But he had a lovely dochter,
An her name wis Isabelle.

Noo Belle she wis the bonniest lass,
In aa the countryside;
It wis very soon I lost ma hert,
Tae the Belle o Bogieside.

An often in the summertime,
I'd wander wi ma dear;
Tae watch the trouties loupin,
By Bogie's water clear.

I taen her by the middle sma,
An I ca'd her ma wee dear;
'Twas there I taen ma will o her
By Bogie's water clear.

Noo nine lang months had passed an gane,
An she brocht forth a son;
An auld Bogie he sent efter me,
Tae see what could be done.

I said that I wad mairry her,
But na, that wad nae dae;
For I'm nae match for Bogie's Belle,
An she's nae match for me.

An noo I've left auld Huntlyside,
I've even broke ma fee;
For I couldna bear tae see ma dear
Condemned tae misery.

Noo I hear she's wad tae a tinkler chap
That cam ower fae Huntly toun;
An wi jeely pans an ladles
She scoors the country roun.

An mebbe she's gotten a better lad,
Auld Bogie canna tell;
Sae fareweel ye lads o Huntlyside
An Bogie's Bonnie Belle.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 09:09 PM

It is a fine song!

And my favorite singer of it is Lou Killen!

Art

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 09:12 PM

Damn, I forgot I posted about Lou K. doing this song a long time ago. sorry.
Art

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 02:36 AM

You can't have too much of a good thing. Great thread.
Ross

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 12:37 PM

Nice 1979 video of Christy Moore singing this HERE

Regards

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 12:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrwfuveekG0 Dick Miles

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: MRyer
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 01:48 PM

I've been singing BBB for a number of years. The tune and phrasing I use are heavily influenced by Louis Killen. But I had lost track of where I had "lifted" the verses. I was thinking it was from a vinyl recording of the Dransfield brothers. Because of this thread, I searched YouTube for BBB by the Dransfields and this turned up:


Robin Dransfield's Bogie's Bonnie Belle

To my delight, the lyrics are almost identical to the ones I've been singing!! So I will attribute the lyrics to Robin Dransfield.

This version is different from many because it has two or three verses between "losing her bloom" at three months and bringing forth a son at nine months. These verses describe the lad being sent packing by Bogie just before the feeing term was up - with no fee paid, of course. (He's called back at nine months to deal with the birth.)

Worth a listen, at least.

While the guitar is tasteful, I prefer it unaccompanied.

Mark Ryer

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 02:17 PM

with respect, the verse the lily of the valley and the primrose of the dell is far more poetic than Robin Dransfields version, [imo] mRobins interpretation is superior to Christys.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: syd67
Date: 24 Feb 11 - 01:36 AM

Mr. Ryer, that's my youtube channel (not trying to self-promote here, though it may sound like it) that you found Robin Dransfield singing BBB on. And I'll say cheers! I'm glad I could help some people with the lyrics. I first heard him sing the tune on pandora, and bought the CD as soon as I could. I'm so glad that so many people still listen to this type of music as opposed to other kinds. I've put the rest of his album up as well, and will post Barry's LP 'Barry Dransfield' when I get a chance.
(I'm new here, but if this post seems irrelevant, I'll delete it as soon as I'm told to.)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: C Stuart Cook
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 02:39 AM

Just looking for the words and this thread came up.

The first version I heard, and as is the way of things, still the one that sticks, was by big Pete Rogers of The Taverner's. A superb singer within the group and even better unaccompanied.

Subject: ADD Version: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,James Phillips
Date: 25 Dec 20 - 04:23 PM

Let me just add another variant of the lyric, this time as sung by Rod Paterson of Jock Tamson's Bairns. I couldn't find this particular variant online anywhere so did my best to pick it out from the recording, any corrections would be welcome!

BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE

Ae Whitsun morn in Huntley Toon 'twas there I did agree
Wi' Bogieheid o' Carnie, twelvemonth for tae fee
To drive his twa best horses, and to cairt and carry and ploo,
And dea onything o' farming work I very weil could do

Bogie had a dochter, her name was Isabelle
She was the floo'er o' the valley, the primrose o' the dell
She had rosy cheeks and ruby lips and hair the raven's hue
She was neat, complete and handsome, aye and comely for tae view

When she gaed oot walking, she took me for her guide
Doon by the burn o' Carnie where the silver fishes glide
I put my arm aboot her waist and tae the ground did slide,
And there I had my first braw nicht, wi' the belle o' Bogieside

When three months were passed and gone, this lassie lost her bloom
And the rid fell frae her rosy cheeks, and her een began to swoon
And when nine months were passed and gone, she brought forth to me a son,
And I was quickly called for tae see what could be done.

I said that I would marry her, but no that wouldnae dae
For you're no' a match for my bonny belle, and she's no' a match for ye
He sent me packing doon the road, wi'oot my penny fee
Sae fareweel ye lads o' Huntley side, a lang fareweel tae ye

And noo she's married tae a tinker chiel, wha bides in Huntley toon
He mends pots and pans and paraffin lamps, an' he scours the country roon
And maybe he's gotten her a better match, auld Bogie cannae tell
But it's me wha stole the maidenheid fae Bogie's bonny belle

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 26 Dec 20 - 09:49 AM

This song was identified with Davy Stewart's distinctive version, although there were (and are) certainly other versions around.
   Christy Moore's take on it is more or less as Davy's, which is not surprising really. He was much taken by Davy when the Marsden Rattlers of South Shields took him up to the Blairgowrie festival in 1969- he was thrilled to meet the 'source singers' at that festival, so I've little doubt he picked it up then.

As we drove through Coupar Angus on the Friday afternoon en route to the festival, there was Davy busking on a street corner! We picked him up & took him to Blair, so they met early on at the festival!
Finbar & Eddie Furey had been living in Edinburgh long before that & their source could be the same, or not?
   Christy was on the RTE John Murray radio morning show about five years ago & there was an invitation to call & ask for a song. The usual stuff came up- 'Ride On'- 'Sonny' etc, so I thought I'd test him & called in for 'Bogie's Bonnie Belle'.
No hesitation, there it was, 46 years later....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 04:43 AM

Lots of good versions from various Scots singers, not all of whom have made CDs, but are regularly heard around festivals and singers’ gatherings.
Geordie Murison, Joe Aitken, Hector Riddell, Allan Taylor (not the one from Brighton!), Jim Taylor, Jock Duncan - and representing the ladies, Shona Donaldson, Iona Fyfe, Kate Taylor. Apologies to anyone I’ve missed!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 06:15 AM

We spent one holiday at Leith Hall, just outside Huntly, and next the Ardmore distillery producing the principal component of Teacher's Highland Cream.

But the children enjoyed everything that Strathbogie had to offer!