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Thought for the Day - May 31,00

Peter T. 31 May 00 - 09:41 AM
GUEST,Auxiris 31 May 00 - 11:02 AM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 31 May 00 - 11:18 AM
Mbo 31 May 00 - 11:28 AM
katlaughing 31 May 00 - 11:28 AM
Peg 31 May 00 - 11:37 AM
TerriM 31 May 00 - 11:48 AM
Mbo 31 May 00 - 11:52 AM
Jim Krause 31 May 00 - 12:15 PM
Mrrzy 31 May 00 - 12:47 PM
Metchosin 31 May 00 - 12:56 PM
JenEllen 31 May 00 - 01:51 PM
Peg 31 May 00 - 02:35 PM
Amergin 31 May 00 - 03:07 PM
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Subject: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Peter T.
Date: 31 May 00 - 09:41 AM

A British evolutionary psychologist, Dr. Geoffrey Miller, has developed a new theory that suggests that human creativity is like the peacock's tail -- it is an example of conspicuous handicapping. "Handicapping" is a term used by Thorstein Veblen many years ago to describe the use of surplus wealth for display purposes. The idea is that the prospective mate, looking around, is attracted to conspicuous display of resources because it means that the attractor is not only not at the bare minimum subsistence level, which would be genetically disadvantageous, but is capable of splurging. Just because it takes great effort to do it, it signals: I am healthy, fit, genetically superior. Dr. Miller suggests that this explains why creative activity, which is so time consuming and obviously useless, is nevertheless very attractive, and highly regarded in the society, and also presumably explains why impoverished folk guitarists get all the girls.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: GUEST,Auxiris
Date: 31 May 00 - 11:02 AM

I would be tempted to say that if creative activity attracts that strongly, it's certainly not useless. . .

cheers, Aux


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 31 May 00 - 11:18 AM

Money cannot buy you happiness but it can help you live miserably in luxury and comfort...Yours, Aye. Dave (the ancient philosopher)


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Mbo
Date: 31 May 00 - 11:28 AM

"Impoverished folk guitarists get all the girls" --I LOVE IT! HA HA HA!!!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 May 00 - 11:28 AM

creative activity, which is so time consuming and obviously useless...by whose definition, Peter? If so, I am sure glad so many folk HAVE been so useless and spent their time so foolishly; the world would be a very ugly place wihtout that!


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Peg
Date: 31 May 00 - 11:37 AM

Folk musicians gettin' all the chicks? I thought it was cuz they were better in bed? Or is is that they perform better cuz women try so hard to impress 'em? Not so sure about the folkie thing but the male musician in general does seem to be a babe magnet; look at your typical rock star-groupie thing...most of the lead singers and guitarists who couldn't get laid in a whore house before they joined a band would probably have no problem admitting it's the band thing that makes them irresistible...there are many reasons women go for musicians. I would go into them here but I would embarrass myself.

I love the quote, Peter! But my own belief has been that engaging in creative activity is a way to stave off fear of death or the insanity that sets in when we realize life is absurd, dangerous and depressing...in other words, art keeps us alive and happy...even as we starve, go mad and alienate others in order to do it...

artfully yours,

peg


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: TerriM
Date: 31 May 00 - 11:48 AM

even in the most primitive cultures where the need to survive is the imperative( have I spelt that right?) there are examples of creative art, maybe as part of superstition or religious observance but proof of the creative urge nontheless. Would that not suggest that Miller is talking from the place 'spaw wants a photo of? I told my SO about women being attracted to impoverished musicians....matter of fact, I can still hear him laughing.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Mbo
Date: 31 May 00 - 11:52 AM

Reminds me of a song by Toby Keith...

I sang the harmony, and Dixie sang the melody
We sang a little off key sometimes
But we had some fun, son-of-a-gun
I wonder if I ever even cross her mind
But she ran away with Billy Bovine,
A flat-top guitar-pickin' friend of mine
Now I sit at home, just countin' the stars
I got close, but no guitar

I got close, but no guitar
She was a shooting star
Who ran off with a guitar pickin' friend of mine
She's really on her way, I hear her records every day
I got close but no guitar

Well, I still play piano bars
Still drive that same old car
Still live in that little shack in Tupelo
Now Dixie is the Queen of Billboard magazine
Playin' 'cross the country doin' one-night shows
A man walks up with a dollar in his hand
A says "Let me hear that one by Dixie and the guitar man"
And as the dollar falls to the bottom of my jar
I get close, but no guitar

I got close, but no guitar
She was a shooting star
Who ran off with a guitar pickin' friend of mine
She's really on her way, I hear her records every day
I got close but no guitar!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Jim Krause
Date: 31 May 00 - 12:15 PM

Hmmmm, well guitars 'n' chicks, well, maybe. Theory sounds good. But I think the Gypsy Davey thing could wear thin after a while. Cause I can tell you from personal experience, it's either feast of famine, with no time off to find or keep a straight job.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 May 00 - 12:47 PM

Maybe it's the SHAPE of the guitar?


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Metchosin
Date: 31 May 00 - 12:56 PM

Maybe should define what being creative is and if being creative is somehow linked to amassing wealth and producing offspring?

I have seen a study, sorry it was awhile back and I cannot quote the source, where a males height was the determining factor as to his attactiveness to females. This was using data collected from Poland, as that country keeps good vital statistics regarding height and number of offspring etc.

That was coupled with an experiment regarding women selecting dates from a lineup of men, some whom were purported to be very monetarily successful and available. Time and again the women selected the tall (wealthy) men and when the parameters were changed to make the short men the ones with the wealth, the women still selected the tall men in that study.

This study was used to explain why generally we are becoming taller with each succeeding generation.

If creativity fits into the grand scheme of things, I haven't seen any evidence for it. Or maybe there should be study done to determine if creativity is something short men engage in to attract mates, as a compensation for their lack of stature.

If I remember correctly, Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo didn't have any offspring, were they short? and seems to me, Karl Marx had a lot of kids....hmmm...... maybe he was tall.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: JenEllen
Date: 31 May 00 - 01:51 PM

Creative activity is time consuming and obviously useless? Seems the good Doctor Miller never watched MacGyver, eh? ;)

My favorite summation of the biological necessity was taken from the movie 'JAWS', the sharks 'eat, swim and make little sharks'. For someting on the same level as your basic Carcharodon carcharias, bigger is definately better.

I read a similar study about humans, actually, the general consensus being that the taller, deeper-voiced males tend to snag the females. The data is good, but they fail to work in the 'Mickey Rooney' factor.

For humans, and their delicate grasp on conscious thought, it's a toss-up. A lot of times we DON'T pay attention to our basic biologic drives and internal rhythms as we should. More's the pity. But we also don't often expand our creative capabilities to the reach of what biology has given us. To me, that's the greater crime.

The folk musican thing begs an intirely different arguement, one suited more to the psychological than the biological. And there are about as many different attractions as there are women to be attracted, I'm sure. However, the creative angle would insure that the female would be provided for in basic necessity, as well as being surrounded by beauty, and as a card carrying member of the double-x branch of chromosomal division, I can't say it sounds like a bad idea.

~Jen


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Peg
Date: 31 May 00 - 02:35 PM

Historically most stage and screen actors are short, but that I believe has more to do with the fact that, next to their leading ladies, tall men look like ogres...witness William Hurt (a relative giant at 6 feet) with Holly Hunter (5'2") in Broadcast News...Marilyn Monroe was a short, rather fleshy (by today's standards) woman with proportionally long legs but because she was often filmed in dance numbers with short men she looked like a tall slender woman...

women no longer need men to be tall, strong, handsome, etc. ensuring they can protect against wild predators and build adequate shelter and propagate the species...these days the qualities most women seek in hubbies have to do with MONEY...pathetic but true...hence the reason you see lots of lovely women with lots of boring geeks...and why every geeky accountant in Manhattan thinks he deserves no less than Kate Moss, as a NY buddy of mine says...and it is also true that single men list financial stability as one of the primary things they are seeking in women along with a nice smile, a sense of humor, a shapely butt and large breasts...

why a man's ability to make more money than is peers makes him a good choice for the person to spend the rest of your life with is beyond me...

all the more lumberjacks and folkies for me, I say...


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Amergin
Date: 31 May 00 - 03:07 PM

Funny, I never considered my writing to be useless.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the Day - May 31,00
From: Amergin
Date: 31 May 00 - 03:08 PM

Now if only poets would get all the chicks...


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