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Burl Ives: story?

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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: Sourdough
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 08:46 PM

I used to have that Australian album. It was my introduction to Australia. I loved the songs. "Click Goes the Shears", a song about the Cockies who were, as I recall, farmers in a place where flocks of cockatiels were common, "Wild Colonial Boy", "Botany Bay"... I don't think there was a song on that album that I didn't really like.

Sourdough


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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: Joe_F
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 06:35 PM

Inasmuch as Debs said "While there is a soul in prison, I am not free", it is ironic that there is (or was, last I heard) a federal prison in Terre Haute. I once had occasion to correspond with a prisoner there, and mentioned Debs's statement, and he replied "You can tell Gene Debs that this prison has been here since" nineteen-thirty-whatever -- too late for him to have seen it.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: Troll
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:27 AM

I still have his album of Australian songs. I'll have to dig it out and give it a listen.

troll


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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 01:04 AM

Davecoje, Debs' home in Terre Haute is still open as a historical site. They even sell bright red Debs tee shirts.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: Oversoul
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 12:08 AM

Burl is a bit of a legend in Terre Haute, Indiana. A gal I dated (while a student at Indiana State University) told me her father worked doing odd jobs at a fraternity house where Mr. Ives was a resident. Years later, or so I was told, Mr. Ives refused to accept an honary degree from the university. Oddly enough Terre Haute was the home of Eugene Debs, the great railroad union organizer. His home is, or was, a bit of a shrine. A really cool two-story bungalo. Or so I remember. Grandfather Je.... had a book of Mr. Debs' speeches. Cool eh?


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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: Deckman
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 11:59 PM

My first mentor in folk music was Willi Waw Willy (Bill Higley) as I've mentioned on previous threads. When I couldn't be around him, my singing mentor was Burl Ives, by records. PHRASING ... that's what he taught me ... PHRASING. He was the consummate phraser. Listen to his records. Listen to when, and how he paused. Listen to where he took a breath ... and where he DIDN'T take a breath. If you want to learn the art of vocal phrasing, listen to Burl Ives ... there is no better! It's all about presentation. Present the song with excitment, with clarity, diction, elocution, respect. Burl Ives was the master. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 11:18 PM

Terrific story, Deckman. Thanks.

When I first determined to learn the guitar I asked a singer of folk songs I had just met how he learned to play. He told me to get a book that contained chord diagrams and use them to accompany any song I wanted. I knew I'd need a book of words and chords for a bunch of songs I already knew if I was to make any progress. What I found was “The Burl Ives Songbook.” That and some chord diagrams carried me through until I discovered Pete Seeger's “Folksinger's Guitar Guide” and Lomax's “Folk Songs of North America.“

I still love those songs.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: Deckman
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 08:45 PM

Great thread! I was in attendance at Burl's last public performance in Annacortes, Washington U.S.A. I spent $100 bucks for TWO tickets, because SHE was beautiful (but that's another story). The twice double price tickets got us two things: a public concert at the local High school gym, and a private hosting with Burl and his wife (nurse). Many of my long time music friends were there (Hi Don, Nancy). The private reception was held at the Annacortes yaught club. In case you don't know it, Burl moved, with his sailboat, to Annacortes because of it's yaught harbour and sailing folks. I saw the LONG line of folks that formed to go through the receiving line. As is my bent, I had another glass of wine and then joined the end of the line. I was the last person through his ordeal ... he was very sick and tired by then. At the beginning of the gathering, his wife ANNOUNCED that there would be no autographs or pictures, as he was tired. I was out of the room when that announcement was made ... probably going to the bathroom! I had brought a special book with me. It was titled "Tales of America." Burl wrote it in 1954, and it was a present to me from my Mother. As I went through the line, and finally got to shake his hand (we had cooresponded several times over the years) I offered him the book and asked if he'd autograph it. His wife snatched it away and started to scold me. He grabbed it back, chastised her by saying, "I haven't seen this book in years ... may I look at it?" I offered it to him on the spot. He said "no, where are you sitting?" I returned to my friends, and a few minutes later a waiter brought the book to me with his inscritption: "With appreciation ... Burl."


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Subject: RE: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: kendall
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 08:25 PM

He did a pretty good job in East of Eden too.


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Subject: RE: fresh
From: Mark Clark
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 08:04 PM

I figured this would fit in with the McCarthy and HUAC threads.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 09:00 AM

Great stories 'Dough.

Thanks Frank. It's nice to hear stories like that. I've often wondered during that time, whether threats were made to folks that we DIDN'T hear about. I can imagine the HUAC getting info about someone that had nothing to do with "communist sympathising" and threatening to use it.

Did you hear the one about Lee Hays? Apparently they got the "wrong" Lee Hays, and it kept him from having to make his "visit" for a long while. The same book says they coudn't even "find" Ronnie Gilbert 'cause that wasn't her married name.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Sourdough
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 02:44 AM

A glimpse of a memory from forty-plus years ago: In the late Fifties, I had a friend who was teaching at Yale. He played guitar and used to go to the Yale Hoots. I believe his name was George Lewis but I am not sure. He was a geographer and that is what he taught. He told me that when he'd a student at the University of Chicago, one night Burl Ives tried to convince him of the positive values of Communism. My long-ago friend told the story, not as a narrow escape from "a fate worse than death". His own politics were certainly left of center. It ewas a story told only because if was about Burl Ives and was mildly interesting.

He had a better story, though. After a failed marriage and a bitter divorce, he had gone to do some field work in Borneo. Having lived in the bush for a couple of months, he was pleased to learn that there was a young white woman in a village downriver. He decided to make a visit. With a boatman he headed the thirty rugged miles downstream through some tough rapids until he came to his goal. After all of that, you can imagine how surprised he was to find that the anthropologist who had come to the downstream village was his ex-wife.

Sourdough

Allan S.: Does any of this sound familiar?


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Frankham
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 12:59 PM

Rick, Pete told me that Josh had a very hard time. They were after him as a black man as well as a leftist.

He and his family were threatened and were intimidated by the FBI. Hoover is well-known for his notorius activities and went to great lengths to make life miserable for people he didn't agree with. Wire tapping MLK was just the tip of the iceberg.

Pete forgave Josh and understood what he was forced to go through.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: NH Dave
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 12:04 AM

As I recall, Pete Seeger adds a couple more lines to the Arkansas Saga

City Slicker: "Can you tell me how to get to Little Rock?" Farmer: "Don't know about no little rock but there's a whopper right down in the corn field."

And finishes up with one of the following:

City Slicker: "Farmer, You don't know much, do you?" Farmer: "Nope, but I ain't lost either."

or

City Slicker: "Ain't much difference between you and a fool, is there?" Farmer: "Nope. Just the yard and the fence between us!"

Usually interspersed with choruses of Arkansas Traveler. And about this time the city feller asks why the farmer is only picking the "A" part of Arkansas Traveler, the farmer asks if there's more, the city feller plays the "B" part, and the farmer invites him in for dinner. At least that's the way I've heard Pete play it.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 09:48 PM

If I'm recalling it right, Burl Ives didn't just leave college in his 3rd year to go on the road. He was found in a girls dorm after hours (a bad thing in those days) and was tossed out of school. He never tried to go back after that. This is local lore at Eastern Illinois University in Charleston. I used to play there every so often in the 1970s. A short distance from Charleston (south) is the burial spot of Thomas Lincoln---father of Abraham. True or not, it's a good story.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 08:53 PM

As someone who was blackballed & listed out of a trade & livelyhood for not closing an eye or a mouth I could not find a fraction of the compassion that Pete Seeger found for the quizzling. Barry


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: DougR
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 08:36 PM

You're probably right, Spaw. I don't recall that he got an Academy Award for that part though. Did he?

DougR


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: GUEST,Sluefoot Sue
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 11:39 PM

"The Wayfaring Stranger's Notebook" is a delightful compendium of cultural detritus Ives must have gathered in his travels:
Down in the Arkansas is one of my favorites:


Dr.Sam. How do you do stranger?
Mountaineer. Do pretty much as I please, sir.
Dr. Sam. Stranger, do you live about here?
Mountaineer. I reckon I don't live anywhere else!
Dr. Sam. Well, how long have you lived here?
Mountaineer. See that big tree there? Well, that was there when I come.
Dr. Sam. Well, you don't need to be so cross about it. I wasn't asking improper questions at all!
Mountaineer. I reckon there's nobody cross here except yourself!
Dr. Sam How did your potatoes turn out here last year?
Mountaineer. They didn't turn out at all; we dug 'em out!
Dr. Sam. Can I stay here all night?
Mountaineer. Yes you kin stay right were you air, out on the road.
Dr. Sam. How far is it to the next tavern?
Mountaineer. I reckon it's upwards of some distance.
Dr. Sam. How long will it take to get thre?
Mountaineer. You'll not get thre at all if ye stay here foolin' with me.
Dr. Sam. How far is it to the forks of the road?
Mountaineer. It ain't forked since I been here.
Dr. Sam. Where does this road go to?
Mountaineer. It ain't gone anywhere since I been here-jist stayed right here.
Dr. Sam. Why don't you put a new roof on your house?
Mountaineer. Because it's rainin and I can't.
Dr. Sam. Why don't you do it when it's not raining?
Mountaineer. It don't leak then.
Dr. Sam. Can i get across the branch down here?
Mountaineer. I reckin you kin, the duck's cross whenver they want to.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 11:31 PM

What I remember best was the tone of his voice. Whether acting or singing, it was remarkable. Growing up, I thought he sounded corny; but that is a result of the context in which I was hearing him. Compared to rock'n'roll or blues singers, he does sound quaint. But if you compare him to his contemporaries, he is really very good. IMHO


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 11:18 PM

Thanks Joe.....That was an elaboration on what we had discussed in the "unfindable thread" that Mario and I have been looking for.

Totally off the wall observation.......I'm willing to bet that more people remember his acting in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" than "The Big Country."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: DougR
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 08:21 PM

Thanks for posting the obit, Joe. I had read in the threads something of Ives' involvement with the HUAC, but I didn't know what he did. I won't fault him for testifying regarding his own activities, whether or not hewas telling the truth. Naming names was not an admirable thing to do though, I think. Particularly since it cost careers for folks.

It doesn't lessen the impact I, at least, believe he had on the folk music movement in the U. S.

DougR


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Subject: OBIT: Burl Ives
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 08:04 PM

Here's an interesting obituary:

BURL IVES
(1909-1995)
Balladeer and actor Burl Ives died at the age of 85 in Anacortes, Washington, on April 14 [1995] from complications of oral cancer.
Ives came to great popularity through the singing of songs such as "The Blue Tail Fly" and "Big Rock Candy Mountain." He was also widely known by way of his acting roles on Broadway, television and motion pictures, winning an Academy Award for his work in "The Big Country." Ives' first major success came in 1940 via a highly popular radio program on the CBS network called "The Wayfarin' Stranger" after his popular rendition of the song of the same name.
A student of the ballad form, Ives compiled collections of ballads and folk songs for publication. Remarkably, many times during his career his recordings of obscure or otherwise academically prized songs on the Columbia and Decca labels rose to top the country and pop music charts. He recorded more than 100 record albums. Carl Sandburg called Ives "the mightiest ballad singer of this or any other century."
Born Burl Ide Ivanhoe Ives on June 14, 1909, in Jasper County, Illinois, the youngest of Frank and Cordella White Ives' six children, he was heir to the songful legacy of a long line of Kentucky and Illinois farmers and preachers. As a child, he learned hundreds of ballads of English, Irish and Scottish origin taught to him by his grandmother Kate White.
Ives began singing professionally at the age of 4, earning all of 25 cents a performance. A football star at Newton High School and at Eastern Illinois State Teachers College, he left the latter in his third year to travel about the country, supporting himself by singing and playing banjo and by doing odd jobs. He visited all but two of the lower 48 states before landing in New York City to try his hand at acting and performing music.
In the early 1950s, at the height of the House Un-American Activities Committee witch-hunt, Ives became estranged from many of his folk music colleagues when, rather than wait for a subpoena, he requested to speak to the committee —this, while others remained defiantly silent.
During testimony, Ives denied personal left-wing involvement, and, according to newspaper accounts of the period, named more than 110 people he knew to have left-wing or communist leanings. Many of these names were previously unknown to the committee. The silence or defiance of others in the entertainment community led in many cases to blacklisting and loss of livelihood for those named.
Oddly enough, Ives' own left-wing sentiments were well-known to his friends. He had attended, with the others, scores of progressive rallies and gatherings. Yet, in an apparently incongruous explanation of why he attended, he said he was led to them by his dear and good friend, ballad singer Richard Dyer-Bennet. From that moment forward, Dyer-Bennet's career was over.
Woody Guthrie, nonetheless, visited Ives at Ives' Los Angeles houseboat sometime after the hearings. Upon returning to New York, Guthrie related to Oscar Brand that Ives was "God's angry man." "Who is he angry with?" asked Brand. "Himself," Guthrie said. "He's angry with himself."
— Roger Deitz

From Sing Out! Magazine, Vol 40 #2, Aug/Sept/Oct 1995


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:37 PM

Gene gave a couple of links to good (though not impartial) sites in an earlier thread.: -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:21 PM

In fact Burl Ives influenced a lot of people to appreciate folk music. It may have sounded-and been--commercial, but it opened a door for other people to enter.

Politically--as Elia Kazan--he made his decision, and lived with it.

Pete Seeger had closed the schism prior to Ives' passing---and they made a joint appearance at the 92st Y in NYC. Burl Ives was in a wheelchair by then.

It shows, I suppose, the humanity of Pete Seeger as well the old cliche of time being a healer. If not that, then at least forgiving.

Personally---I thought he was even a better actor than a singer. Having said that, I still remember his Molly Malone on an old Decca 78 when I was just a wee one---probably making wee wees too.

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: DougR
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:11 PM

I know nothing of Burl Ives' politics and really don't care. My kids, especially my son who is the youngest, was raised on his album, The Wayfaring Stranger, and they and I still love it. I had the pleasure of hearing him in a live concert only one time, but it was in an 800 seat house and it was packed.

DougR (formerly Guest DougR till I dug up Joe Offer's instructions for resetting my cookie)


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 04:03 PM

Downeast Bob, I had and still have that Sodbuster Ballads and Deepsea Shanties record. The shuck is held together with filament tape, and the sound has suffered from too much playing, but I love it. It was an eyeopener to me, too.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: MMario
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 11:57 AM

Sandy - I wouldn't have seen it on any other list...so it's out on the forum somewhere..but probably as "thread creep" which does slow us down...


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Jacob B
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 11:43 AM

Hi, Mary. Happy birthday!

As I recall, "The Day They Shot Agarn" was one of the best F Troop episodes. And as for Burl Ives being a snowman, at least he was the right shape ....

Jacob


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Marymac90
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 11:24 AM

I don't know about the record of anti-draft songs, though being a pacifist, I'd like to know them. I do know that my friend Jacob is barking up the right tree with the info that Ives "sang" for the HUAC. Perhaps I read the same article, Jacob-maybe I should check my back issues. No time to do that today, though-we're celebrating my birthday at Mudcat Radio tonight! Ya'll come!!!

Marymac


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Downeast Bob
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 10:45 AM

I'm trying to remember if he was included in a record that included Josh White and the Almanacs singing songs against drafting people shortly before America entered WWII. Josh White was on it, and Pete Seeger. I can't remember if Burl was there. I think the album was called "Songs for John Doe" but I'm not sure. Of course, after Russia and the U.S. become allies against Hitler, nobody was singing such songs anymore, but I can still hear Josh singing something like:

"Do you want to see the world, Billy Boy, Billy Boy Do you want to see the world, charming Billy?" "No, it wouldn't be much thrill To die for Goodyear in Brazil; I'm a young thing and cannot leave my mother."

What I want to know is whether Burl was on that ill-fated album as well.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: MMario
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 10:01 AM

he was a snowman in "Rudolph the red nosed raindeer" -- and for many younger people that's the only thing they know about him.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Jacob B
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 09:52 AM

And I'm sure that I'm not the only one who remembers his appearance in an episode of "F Troop".

I think we've answered the original question at the top of this thread. He was a folksinger and actor, but was not a snowman.

But the real controversy about Burl Ives seems to concern his politics. Specifically, his testimony before the House Un-American Activities Committee. I believe that Sing Out magazine, within the past couple of years, had either an article about Burl Ives or a review of a recent book about him.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Downeast Bob
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 09:21 AM

Burl and Josh's records, as far as I can recall, were the first recorded folk songs I ever heard. This was back in around 1948 when I was 14. Woody and Pete were already making records back then, but they were on obscure labels and they didn't show up in as many record stores. I listened to what my mother bought. Aside from classical music, she bought Josh and Burl. She also ordered a lot of LIbrary of Congress field recordings. Burl and Josh's stuff was a lot more commercial than the L of C stuff, but not nearly as commercial as most of the stuff Pete was doing with the Weavers for Decca with Gordon Jenkins in the early 50s. It was in about 1953 that I started encountering the old 78s of the Almanac singers. Soon after that, I bought one of the great folk LPs of all time -- Sodbuster Ballads one one side and Deep Sea Shanties on the other -- by the Almanacs. That's the one that inspired me to start learning to play the banjo. But it was Josh and Burl who first kindled my interest.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 12:47 AM

That other discussion may have been on the FOLKDJ-L listserv, not on the Mudcat. You search-wizards surely would have found it by now, had it been here. Sorry, if I've led you off on a wild goose chase. (Oops, bad choice of cliche. No rejoinder necessary, Spaw, m'lad!)

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 10:47 PM

Well Mario, I can't find it either. I remember reading that discussion just as clear as day, but I can't find the right search words or thereare too damn many threads in what I pull up.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: MMario
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 10:41 PM

the othr current thread is at here

url=http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=23431&messages=3

haven't found the previous discussion yet


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 10:33 PM

Actually poor ol Josh White also had his troubles with the Commitee. Before going to testify he apparently told Pete Seeger, "that he was going to be a "heel" the next day."

He was pretty much "persona non grata" with Sing Out til the end of his life. Nobody ever said he couldn't pick that guitar though.

It may be useful to note that both Josh and Burl had decidedly "crossed over" into mainstream entertainment and audiences by then.........but so had Pete....and he stood up to 'em.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 08:35 PM

I'm interested in this one - but we seem to have a duplicate thread. Joe?

Regards


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 05:44 PM

Irwin Silber, former editor of SING OUT!, is usually given credit for the "crawling on his belly" line. There was a thread about this awhile back, and someone observed that Pete Seeger was gracious enough to forgive him his self-serving political ways, but many of us are not so kind. Which one of you "search geniuses" can blue clicky us to the earlier thread?

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: GUEST,DougR
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 05:06 PM

Sorry, Dave. Afraid you've got it wrong. He was a folksinger first and actor second. I believe he was awarded an Academy Award for a very fine western film, entitled, "The Big Country."

DougR


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 04:50 PM

Obviously he was both an actor and a folksinger. But somewhere I've gathered that he was an actor first, and was persuaded to take up the folksinging that made him so famous. I have no idea where I saw this; sorry.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Doctor John
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 04:30 PM

MMario's just about right. If you listen to the tracks by the Union Boys, recorded by Asch and organized by Alan Lomax, you'll come across one kind of Burl Ives. Unlike Josh White, who may well have compromised his music but not his political beliefs, Burl Ives compromised both. He never acknowledged Alan Lomax's help in his career, perhaps because the latter was the wrong side of the political fence. His Decca records are blandly but pleasantly performed folk songs. His "Little Biddy Tear" etc unspeakable. Fine actor. He betrayed his former colleagues before HUAC and someone (can anyone recall who?) described him as "the only man who can sing folk songs crawling on his belly" Dr John


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: MMario
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 02:37 PM

http://www.burlives.com/burlmain.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAives.htm


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 02:36 PM

I know he was an old friend of Woody Guthrie. My understanding is that he lost his reputation during the Army/McCarthy hearings. Wish I could help you with a definitive book, but I haven't yet found one myself. A lot of the personal stories from that time are clouded because of the fear that surrounded the red scare.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: Hollowfox
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 02:22 PM

Well in 1948, he wrote his autobiography "Wayfaring Stranger" (Whittlesey House Pub). It's a start.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives: story?
From: MMario
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 01:27 PM

yes


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Subject: OBIT: Burl Ives: story?
From: L R Mole
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 01:16 PM

Does anyone out there know of a book which, without prejudice or axe-grinding, details the story of Burl Ives? Was he a folksinger, actor, snowman,kiddie entertainer, snowman, or some/all of these? (Well, I suppose if someone has an axe to be ground, have at it, but unverifiable rumor is less than no help at all). LRM


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