Gore and Lieberman

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:14 AM

So you're saying its not a fun place then huh kat? I mean like I may have gotten you wrong when you sugarcoat things like that..........

Spaw

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:24 AM

It is so gawddamed awful Spaw, that the only state-wide newspaper has an article per week, on the front page, of how the young people are leaving in droves from no opportunities and only low-paying service jobs, juxtaposed with yet another article on how well the oil & mineral revenues are doing, but the schools, which they fund, are out of money & going down the tubes; along with one real gem last week on how Wyoming exports so many of its politicians..the young ones, esp., who may actually have had some good ideas but just couldn't break into the shit-stompers ole boy's club.

Sorry for the rant, but it has been an activist week for me and I've had more than my fill of hearing about last-century (and, I ain't talking 20th!)-mired attitudes and harmful machinations and the apathetic or blithely ignorant citizens who embrace them because, golly, gee-whiz, they've never been outta the state and have no idea there might be a better way!

Ooooo, definitely time for us to get the hell outta Dodge, ain't it? Sorry phoaks, thread creep, rant, and all...

kat

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:51 AM

What is this business about "the folk spirit", and what does it have to do with one side or the other? There were Folks on both sides of the Civil War, and we still sing their songs. If there is a folk spirit, let's not try to claim it as the property of one political party or another. == Johnny who happens to be a Democrat

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 02:24 AM

I'm coming somewhat late to this debate, but I have to say that I get an uncomfortable shiver down the back of my neck when I read phrases such as Mr. Bauman's. What is the "true folk spirit"?

If people try to impose their own definition of what it means to be something onto others, I personally think we're getting into the realm of the "thought police".

Anyway, that's one of the reasons I don't like listening to discussions between members of the religious right. I'm uncomfortable with listening to people trying to out-do each other with their riteousness. I have as little interest in folkier-than-thou discussions as I do in holier-than-thou discussions. Flip sides of the same coin.

Respectfully, Carol

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: Lox
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:51 AM

Isn't Whiskey the true folk spirit?

I agree with Catspaw on the issue of priorities, but I would suggest that it is an almost direct result of the Profumo affair (Remember Christine Keeler), The press discovered that people were more interested in the personalities involved and in getting a thrill from hearing about their .. (dare I say it)... SEX-LIVES!!!!!!! than in knowing about the political implications.

At least with watergate the press showed intelligence by exposing political subterfuge on quite a sinister level.

Since Profumo, the owners of the media have been dumbing down information so as to make as much money as possible.

Advertisers in Newspapers are now gettig an editorial say as well, so we are less likely to see stories about corporate crimes, and it isn't good PR to have your ad next to a story about aids. It makes a lot more sense to have it beside pictures of glamorous models. Hence less stories about "nasty" things, more trite columnists, more cartoons, and more Lifestyle Shite, because the advertisers want it like that.

Pubic hairs in coca-cola tins appeal to peoples fetish driven imaginations. If this were not true, people would buy publications with a bit more serious content.

It drives me mad to see people allowing themselves to remain uninformed, and it drives me mad to see the media making a profit by exploiting apathy.

Nothing annoys me more than apathy masquerading as "a political viewpoint".

Wars, crime, technological advancement, health, education, environmental degradation, 30% of Miami under the UN poverty line, and still all we here on the news is "Well, I wanna know if the president f***ed somebody, and I wanna know the details about the jism on her dress".

Thank F**K for things like the Mudcat.

lox

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:57 AM

I disagree that voting outside the two main parties constitutes throwing one's vote away. The object is not to vote for who you THINK will win, but who you WANT to win. If everyone voted for the Candidate They Really In Their Wildest Dreams Want to Win, the results could be remarkably different. But people have become so complacent that few are willing to look outside the network TV news for their candidate information.

The very first time I was able to vote was 1988, when I was 21. When I got into the booth I remember thinking, wow, I didn't know all these people were running for President. Why didn't I hear about them in the news?

All the candidates matter whether anyone wants to admit it or not but since all our media are focused on Donkeys and Elephants, it's up to the individual to do the research. It's impossible to make a good informed choice if you're not armed with information.

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: DougR
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:23 PM

Wow, lox! Have you never heard of the National Enquirer? :>) DougR

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: GUEST,Scottsdale
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 02:24 PM

TOP TEN WAYS THE WHITE HOUSE WILL CHANGE WITH LIEBERMAN AS V.P.

10) Air Force One to be renamed - "El Al Gore."

9) Tipper to be referred to as "The First Shiksa.

8) Saturday Night State Dinners to be replaced by Sunday Night Chinese.

7) Inauguration to be completed with Breaking of Glass.

6) Problem: Presidential Baldness / Solution: Presidential Yarmulke!

5) Every time "Hail to the Chief" is played, Secret Servicemen Lift Gore in Chair and Dance Around.

4) U.S. Never to pay retail again for Nuclear Warheads.

3) Federal Employees To Have Saturdays off for Shabbat - but will have to actually start working Monday through Friday.

2) Camp David relocated to Boca.

1) In First Major Trade Agreement with India, New Delhi to be renamed Carnegie Delhi.

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: Art Thieme
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 02:31 PM

Well folks, nobody has the right to ask someone questions about their personal mutually consenting sex life than HUAC had to ask Pete "Were you a Communist?" Nobody has the right to ask me questions about what I do sexually (or what someone does to me sexually)---what my political affiliations are---even what condoms I prefer. If they do, I can choose to lie to them in my answering their totally unacceptable question jus when I started the "condom" thread to show the inanity of frivolous threads. That is my right. I can opt to lie if I deem it necessary to get the a..h...s off my case. I DEMAND that RIGHT whether it's the f.....g law or not. It's simply none of their damn business. Even if I am the president--or just a folksinger. And impeaching the man for telling a lie in that situation---putting anyone through what the Republicans did to President Bill Clinton---just because he lied after they asked a question that stank of the worst kind of hatred---yes, HATRED and vengeance seeking vileness, a querie that reeked of an act akin to Sirhan Bishara Sirhan's shooting and killing of Bobby Kennedy.---After what was done by the Seanate and the House of Representatives Republican members such a short time ago, I, personally, am going to have a difficult time being "for" a Republican candidate for a long while into the forseeable future. Getting a blowjob is nothing like what Nixon and his men did.

Are our collective historical memories so short as all that??? It does seem that they are. As I have said before: When your memory goes, forget it!

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: Lox
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 02:43 PM

National enquirer - Shmational enquirer

Over here we've got:

the sun today the mirror the express the mail the sunday times

and at least the enquirer doesn't pretend to be a source of "news"!

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: Lox
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 02:46 PM

Oh yeah, and the sunday sport & news of the world!

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 08:40 PM

Self-fulfilling prophesy: NADER CAN'T WIN.

Reason why: Nobody will vote for Nader. Reason why: Nader can't win.

== Johnny in OKC

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 08:48 PM

Guest Scottsdale,

I think if you're going to post something like that, you should put your name on it.

Respectfully, Carol

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: thosp
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 08:54 PM

Scottsdale ---- lolpeace (Y) thosp

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: DougR
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:18 PM

Scottsdale: Is that original? If so you got to be performing somewhere around here. Where?

Art: Who lit your fuse? It's a bit obvious that you are a mite perturbed. If it was me, sorry. Tell me what I did and I'll do atonement of some sort. Hate to see you get so upset. Life's much too short as it is.

DougR

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:51 PM

Banjo Johnny: Nader's not trying to win; the point is to make the Green Party a major party in the USA, and get Green issues out into the 'mainstream'. And whaddya mean people aren't going to vote for him?! :)

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: Art Thieme
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:10 PM

Doug R,

It's not you. The Republicans in general lit my fuse, and I can't forget their vindictiveness during the impeachment. Re-reading my post I see I didn't state my ideas well at all. Other than show my own lack of proofreading skills, no harm was done probably. Still, I don't believe a Republican, any Republican, will get my vote for a long time to come. That said, I do realize get carried away by my own verbosity sometimes.

Art

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: DougR
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:51 PM

Art, you're a good man.

DougR

Subject: RE: Gore and Lieberman
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:06 AM

I know I've posted this somewhere last year, but I think it bears repeating because it is a nonpartisan grup for anyone to join in to really make an effort to bring about change.

Please take a look at this website, www.moveon.org

Just a simple group of citizens who felt as dismayed as Art did about what went on with Congress and Clinton, from all sides of the political spectrum, THEN it snowballed into an org. for anyone who wanted substantial changes, as I say...here's some info...IMO, it really does represent the powerful and positive use of the Internet by ordinary people for change:

What is MoveOn all about?

MoveOn is working to bring ordinary people back into politics. With a system that today revolves around big money and big media, most citizens are left out. When it becomes clear that our "representatives" don't represent the public, the foundations of democracy are in peril. MoveOn and the Internet will be a catalyst for a new kind of grassroots involvement, supporting busy but concerned citizens in finding their political voice.

What does MoveOn do?

When there is a disconnect between broad public opinion and legislative action, MoveOn builds electronic advocacy groups. Examples of such issues are impeachment, gun safety, nuclear disarmament, and campaign finance. Once a group is assembled, MoveOn provides information and tools to help each individual have the greatest possible impact. During impeachment, MoveOn's grassroots advocates generated more than 250,000 phone calls and a million emails to Congress. We helped Congress come to understand the depth of public opposition to impeachment.

What is "We will remember"?

The current Congress actively disregards constituent feedback and recklessly continues it's obsession with partisan warfare. For these politicians, our only alternative is electoral action. It's time for a change in congressional leadership. We need new talent and new vision. We need a focus on issues, not partisanship. Broadening public support for congressional campaigns will be key in making this possible. Through the MoveOn.org "We will remember" campaign, more than 30,000 individuals have pledged their time and money to year 2000 congressional campaigns. MoveOn is already highlighting good candidates who have challenged unresponsive incumbents.

Thanks,

kat