3 crop circles near Orillia

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: MMario
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 08:24 AM

Does littlehawk perhaps mean "prime" numbers?

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 08:08 AM

Mp in the US means Military Police, as far as I know.

Little Hawk, I am with you on this one, but don't have the info I wanted to post to hand. Will try to find it later. My brother has written about sacred geometry in music in ancient civilisations and took it into consideration when writing his book, "Earthquake Prevention Through MetaMusic©".

Wonder what the skeptics said to the Wright Brothers? As science is constantly evolving, I wouldn't want to fall prey to a rigid idea of what can and cannot be and in doing so wind up with it as my religion.

like i said,

katanotheralienlifeform *g*

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 07:46 AM

There's not much to be added to the good arguments from Roger t.s., just three remarks:
- there are also illusions of memory (my study object) adding to the illusions of perception
- "some people are so open-minded that their brains start to fall out" (forgot the source of the ciatation) - Little Hawk, you do not seem to know what 'cardinal numbers' are. 1, 3, 5 are cardinal numbers, true, but so are 2, 4, 6, ...19,...,32,.... And you can measure the crop circle diameters in feet, meters, inches. Taking into account the unavoidable measurement inaccuracy , each conceivable crop circle on earth will have a diameter that is a cardinal number. So what?

Wolfgang

(Three new song circles have been found in the south of Germany. And for all three of them the number of members can be given by a cardinal number. That must have a deeper meaning)

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Naemanson
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 05:50 AM

Please, my friends, read "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. Then take a moment to reflect on the disasters of the first centuries of the second millenium.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: bill\sables
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 05:15 AM

Mbo, what do you mean by an MP. In England MP means Member of Parlement and they, as we all know, are the best liars in the world.
Cheers Bill

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 04:34 AM

I'm a natural sceptic, if David Copperfield can make the Empire State building disappear....As has been said crop circle hoaxers have shown how they do it but some people prefer to believe other explanations. Not all hoaxers take the short-term view: Piltdown Man, Peter Scott's "Nessie" photos, the fairy photos that fooled Conan Doyle, were only revealed as hoaxes decades after they were perpetrated. I only studied Psychology as a minor subject but learned enough about human perception to know how we can delude ourselves about what we see and hear. After all, I believe I sing in tune despite all the evidence to the contrary (perhaps I use an alien scale!).
But I remain willing to be convinced!

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 12:51 AM

Well, I've been out much of the day, and am pleased on my return to see that people have been posting to this one.

The crop circles in the corn that sophocleese mentions were a few years back, and they happened about a mile and a half from where I'm presently living near Orillia, Ontario, Canda. They were a hoax, and a fairly obvious one.

There have been other well documented crop circles in many places that could not possibly have been hoaxes, and obviously were created by some form of purposeful intelligence. Whether it was UFO's I do not know, nor do I have any strong opinion on that.

Skeptics generally remain skeptics, because their emotional safety net is built around just that...and they will not bother to investigate further on the matter.

And that is why, Bert, I do not bother much any more explaining the details of my own UFO experiences to a skeptic. I know there will always be skeptics, as long as the UFO's don't descend by the thousands on every piece of land on this Earth and all on the same day (as in "Independence Day", a stupendously idiotic movie). And I know that no amount of personal testimony by me or anyone else (such as Jimmy Carter or a great many other famous and well-informed people) will serve to make the skeptic change his mind.

It is rather akin to a native on a little Pacific island trying to explain to the other natives that he saw a huge wooden ship go sailing by, with giant white wings hanging from tall bare trees...and what looked like almost human figures clustered on its decks, dressed in strange gear and armour! Ha! The other natives laugh at him, accuse him of being drunk on fermented coconut juice, say he had a hallucination, say he must have been asleep and dreamed it, because EVERYBODY knows that there is no such thing as alien beings from other islands. They'll even say he's lying just to get attention!

The UFO guys I saw could no doubt take over this planet if they wanted to. They obviously don't want to. Maybe they have reached a higher moral plane than the Spanish conquistadors or our own present civilization and are content to simply observe and not interfere. Or maybe this place is just too small and backward in their terms to really merit more than a bried look.

The possibilities are endless.

I have never met a born skeptic yet who had a sincere interest in finding out anything he hadn't already made his mind up about. Only a direct UFO experience of his own will change that...and that's been known to happen.

I find our present political, monetary, and social system a lot harder to believe in than space aliens...if you know what I mean...

What I meant to say about cardinal numbers is that 3, 5, and 7 are cardinal numbers, and that may have a symbolic significance, like a code. There has been a great deal of apparently intentional numerical structure of a coherent sort in crop circles, as well as in structures such as the pyramids in Egypt and Central America. This raises many questions. Numbers and geometry are sacred in most ancient traditions, as they reflect spiritual order and structure amid the apparent chaos of creation. As above, so below.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: sophocleese
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 11:52 PM

Well apparently its not a first for Orillia. September of 92 saw a crop circle as well.

NAICCR report states: "- one large oval patch of flattened corn was found in a field near Orillia. The area was 75 by 100 feet, on the south slope of a south-facing hill, only about 100 feet from a major highway. The corn was flattened and swirled in a counterclockwise direction. Reported to NAICCR. Source: Colin McKim."

I don't know if bodhrans had been seen in Orillia before that date though.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Mbo
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 11:25 PM

My and my Dad saw a UFO once. It was pretty damn scary, and it was during the day too. When my Mom was an MP with my Dad, in Albany (Georgia) she and fellow MP Lumpy saw a UFO. They said it was spooky too. The other MP in the truck was too ditzy and didn't see it.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Rana
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 11:23 PM

OK,

I know we (Green Fiddle Morris) danced at the Arts for Peace festival some months ago but I can vouch that we didn't do any crop circles! Might have been Orange Peel though - any comments from John B.?

On the other hand could the circles have been trying to be the Mariposa "sun" after their successful festival this year?

Rana

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 11:10 PM

some guys in England finally confessed to doing some of the circles that had the 'experts' puzzled for several years...even did a demo of how they pulled it off (was on TV)...so now there is a manual available...*grin*...

It is a BIG universe out there...I'm sure aliens live out there, but NO ONE has EVER caught one or photographed one or found a ship...or...or...(no, don't tell me about Roswell..*grin*...saw all the programs about THAT one!...)

It is just the case that some people are wired to WANT to believe, and some of us are wired to be sceptics...I have standards for what I consider 'proof'..(of aliens, elves, ESP, God, Elvis,..and a whole lot more..*giggle*..)The thing is, it doesn't bother me to just wait and read....I don't have to have an opinion yet.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: WyoWoman
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 11:07 PM

Yeah, well, I don't really care if they're extra-terrestrial graffiti or human artists having a good time goofing on the general public. Some of them are very cool to look at and for the time being I'm happy to take them as that and nothing more.

I do think they're much too organized to be caused by wind or some "accidental" phenomenon. There's obviously a consciousness at work creating them -- for what purpose, who knows? And with what technology? That's the part that puzzles me. The ones I've seen have been pretty precise-looking.

I've seen photos of some that were later confessed to as hoaxes, and they looked pretty rough -- the guys had just stomped down the hay or whatever. But the more complex ones are obviously being done with machinery. I think it'd be cool to see them from the air -- really large sculpture for your viewing enjoyment. Sure beats the in-flight movies!

WyoWoman

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 11:03 PM

But, Rick, the crop circles came before all of the money-making hype, long ago, right? The originals at least?

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 10:56 PM

Hy Wyo. Orillia is one of the most beautiful towns in Canada. About 100 miles north of Toronto. Home of the writer Stephen leacock (not any more 'cause he's been dead for 60 years). Birthplace of the Mariposa Folk Festival (Leacock's name for Orillia in his books was Mariposa) and Gordon Lightfoot.

Nice place. I'm doin' a concert there later in the year.

I love that there's a POSSIBILITY of crop circles. Not convinced though. Too many websites about them with too many folks writing books and giving guided tours for lots of dinero.

Rick

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Les B
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 10:55 PM

So are crop circles Alien song circles ? Inquiring minds want to know.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: WyoWoman
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 10:40 PM

Little Hawk, I have seen some photos of crop circles that are simply amazing. I have no idea who made them, or with what, but I do know that they're beautiful abstract art and, as with any good art, they leave me (I, who make my living with words) simply speechless. I've seen some of the "hoax" crop circles, too, and they're a completely different thing. The "real" ones are fascinating and beautiful and baffling.

I've put them where I put other Mysteries of the Universe, in a box in my psyche labeled "Awaiting Further Light." I don't know that we'll ever find out their source, but I think they're a thing of beauty and I would love to see one up close.

Where is Orilla? Remember you have a worldwide conversation going on here -- I don't even know which continent you live on.

WW

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: JamesJim
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 10:36 PM

Little Hawk,what have you been adding to your Sasp "Orillia?"

Jim

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 10:26 PM

Sheesh! You are a skeptical and cynical lot! Little Hawk, have been to see them?

I saw a UFO out my back door about 5 years ago, and before my whole family saw one in the 60's in Colorado. No, Bert, they were not birds!*bg* The one I saw here was uncanny...hung in one spot in the sky, then dropped straight down like a ton of bricks, changing colours as it fell.

While I believe there is more to the crop circles than we may know, I suppose someone has already thought of smart gophers, who know how to excavate in a perfect circle and size? Or, one that is off its rocker and keeps turning in one direction, going round and round? I know it's a stretch, but, ya never know.....sorry, LH, I would be interested in hearing more of the serious theories.

katanotheralienlifeform!

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: sophocleese
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 08:41 PM

So, Morticia, if I hang my bodhran on the door they will be scared, run around in circles, and mow my lawn for me tonight? Great! I'll get the hammer and a nail out now.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Morticia
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:54 PM

more likely bodrhan players.......they put them down and dance around them making an ever increasing circle until they are far enough away to run for it......the depth of the circle reflects the dancers fear of their instrument.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:34 PM

Alien Morris Dancers? Morris Dancing Crop Circles? Please be more specific, Lucius!!

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Bert
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:29 PM

I dunno Lucius, Morris Dancers usually dance in a rectangular formation. Much more likely to be Balkan Dancers.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Lucius
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:22 PM

Morris Dancers.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Bert
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:21 PM

A tiple is a USI (unusual stringed instrument). Now THERE'S something that was almost certainly introduced by Aliens.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Bert
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:19 PM

Gotta be a hoax. Ain't no aliens gonna be measuring things in feet and inches. Unless they stopped at Home Depot on the way and picked up a measuring tape. Oh! I wonder if European crop circles are measured in meters.

Those are cardinal numbers aren't they? ??? so are 1, 2 & 3 (and 4, 5 and 6, and a bloody whole lot of other numbers) what's the significance?

...I did see some UFO's in the late 60's, and I know they do exist... - Be a bit more specific here. If I see a bird in the distance and don't know what it is - that's a UFO. If I see a flash of light in the sky and don't know what it is - that's a UFO. So how do you interpret what you saw if you don't know what it is?

Bert.

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:12 PM

What is tiple?

Subject: RE: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: sophocleese
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:05 PM

Sure sign of escaped tiple players in the neighbourhood. Lock your door tonight. I know I will.

Subject: 3 crop circles near Orillia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:02 PM

2 or 3 days ago 3 crop circles appeared near Orillia, just a few miles from here. There's been a lot of interest, and many visitors. These ones do not seem to be a hoax, as there was no initial trace of footprints going into the area, or anything like that. There are 3 circles...a 30 foot, 50 foot, and 70 foot diameter one. Those are cardinal numbers aren't they?

There have been crop circles done around here that were hoaxes...but these appear not to be.

People are speculating about UFO's, freak whirlwinds, very clinical tornadoes, magnetic anomalies, and so on. Everyone has certain prejudices for or against these various notions, of course.

I did see some UFO's in the late 60's, and I know they do exist, but I don't necessarily connect them with crop circles.

Anyone out there got any theories on this?