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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:42 AM I have had numerous experiences with ghosts, psychokinesis, premonitions, odd phone incidences, face to face meetings with dead people,etc. I too prefer not to spend time on it. It has served me well in raising my son - I always know when he is hurt or in trouble sometimes before it even happens. Women, especially mothers, seem to make better use of this "intuition". I am NOT superstitious just aware that there are things and skills we don't fully understand. Cletus and Paw were going to be invited to see the "Big City" over the Christmas holidays. I thought they might benefit from exposure to a degree of sophistication and daily baths. I even tried to fix Cletus up with my niece (much to Mbo's distress) but Cletus chose not to respond. I believe he has a secret love he has been keeping all to himself. This latest "Jery Falwell Affair" has made me change my mind. The new archbishop might take offense at Paw's antics by the offering candles in St. Pat's. Michael was born and Tristan was adopted over Thanksgiving. That bodes well. The two of them have made many people here very happy. Somehow I believe Michael will have all the help he needs should the time come that he takes over care of Tristan. His mother's good sense and his father's sense of the absurd will see him through. I have no faith in the experts. They objected to my adoption of my son Lawrence because they felt my expectations of his abilities were unrealistic. He was written off as retarded. He would never learn to read or do simple math. At age eight he sat on my lap and did simple algebra problems. Love and faith in him worked. He graduated high school with a NYS diploma - I was the only one who wasn't surprised. He has severe emotional problems - 9 years of foster care saw to that. But I know he will be fine. I KNOW. Life is so simple when you let it be what it is supposed to be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 22 Aug 00 - 11:13 AM Please note: At 9:05 AM I told you all that Pete Seeger left his banjo on the roof of his car and it fell on the side of the road. Mystifying (even though it was found by the side of the road). I am more mystified by the number of people who say Pete Who? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Aug 00 - 11:34 AM Wolfgang - my own faulty memory has already caused me to misquote you outrageously to a number of people. This has resulted in you being slandered far and wide by people who really should know better, and it's all due to my unfortunate laspses in memory. I think this goes a long way toward validating your well-articulated argument above...but I'm not sure...cos I can't remember what the point of it was.......or...what was the question???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Aug 00 - 12:30 PM My gawd Sins......With predictions like that, you could really make some big bucks. I'll put in a call to the National Enquirer and those other bird cage liners and see what we can get going. Hey!!! How about one of those infomercials? Didn't work out for me with the "Holy Shit Falwell" but this is another chance. I'll only take 10% for management fees. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Aug 00 - 12:34 PM SINSULL - I once place a Takamine guitar (in its case) on the rear deck of my car outside Don's Coffeehouse. I then got into a lengthy talk with a friend about something. She eventually headed out, and I got in the car and started driving home. About 3 miles down the road I thought "Where is the guitar?", and looked over my shoulder at the back seat. It wasn't there. I felt this horrible rush of adrenalin hit me. Where was it? I chanced to look up at the rearview mirror and saw the guitar case, which was by now a couple of inches away from sliding off the back of my car, which was going at about 90 kph (55 mph) down a country road. I very gingerly slowed the car down and eased it off to the side of the road. I have never more sincerely thanked God for anything in my life. I had actually made it around 2 corners and several sharp turns without losing that guitar. I now have a rule. When approaching any vehicle with your guitar, prior to opening said vehicle, place guitar firmly on top of the hood against the windshield. I recommend this practive to one and all. A few weeks ago a friend of Don Bray's backed his car directly over the case of his Martin guitar, breaking the neck in two. This again, happened after he had been distracted by a conversation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 22 Aug 00 - 12:48 PM Spaw, I think we would make more money demonstrating hair removal products on Cletus and Paw. Have you seen those things? YECCHH. They have a gorilla man covered in resin and they rip his hair off his back while he smiles and pretends he feels nothing. Then they show a close-up of the cloth with all the hair (complete with follicles) on it. At that point I head to the bathroom wretching. Someone explain to me the need for that unexplainable act. The man has a hairless stripe on his back!!! And it probably grows back wrong so that he has a patch of ingrown infected hair. Am I on the wrong thread? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 22 Aug 00 - 12:50 PM I mean retching over the poor wretch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Aug 00 - 12:54 PM Awhile back I brought this up on another thread just to find out if they did indeed USE the product in Australia where they claim its from. Helen and alison both assured me it IS!! I agree with all of your feelings Sins, but what gets me is the name: NADS I'm just happy they didn't demonstrate on the guys nads instead! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Kim C Date: 22 Aug 00 - 01:01 PM Here's another thing. This happens to me and Mister on a very regular basis. We are both Virgos, my birthday 9/7, his 9/22, twelve years apart which means our Chinese horoscope is also the same (ram/sheep/goat, depending on who you ask; personally I prefer ram). Here are a couple of examples. One night I put on a particular CD because there was a particular song I wanted to hear. I hadn't said anything, I just went over and put it on. Mister said, I was just going to put on that very CD. Another time, I was driving home from work, and as I got to my street, I was singing a song. When I walked in the door, Mister was singing The Very Same Song. That means that we were singing it At The Same Time without knowing it. Or maybe one of us will say something and the other reply, I was just thinking the same thing. Like I said, this happens on an almost daily basis. One could say that it comes from having been together for 11 years... but this stuff's been going on ever since we met. Something else I don't get... what's it mean when you're trying not to think about someone/something, and every which was you turn, there's a quirky little coincidence that keeps the person/thing/situation at the forefront of your thoughts? What's that all about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 00 - 01:17 PM *guilt* that's what that's about. Ask anyone brought up in New England. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: GUEST,Colwyn Dane Date: 22 Aug 00 - 02:19 PM G'day,
Hi Catspaw49 et al,
I don't have any personal experience in the field of cloudbusting - we say cloudburst in the UK - but there again I haven't been to the moon.
Reich's work is a very big subject - and I only know of it through the research of others.
Hope this helps.
"Trust but verify"
Toodle-pip
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Aug 00 - 03:08 PM I've done a little amateur cloudbusting, and yes, it can be done. Haven't tried it out since the late 70's though. It's an interesting demonstration of the power of directed thought, and is easier than you might think. If you absolutely do not believe it can be done, however, my bet would be that you won't be able to do it. That's how powerful thoughts are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Melani Date: 22 Aug 00 - 03:36 PM I often "know" things before they happen. It's usually some tiny unimportant thing--"If I put this glass on that shelf, it's going to fall off and break," and then exactly that happens. It's just a split-second sort of thing, but I've learned to pay attention. Saves a lot of broken glass. I've also learned to pay attention to intuitions about people. I was once very leery of a potential business partner who came highly recommended, who caused us a huge amount of grief and lost money. But it doesn't always work. I hadn't a clue about another business partner who was even worse. (I no longer have ANY partners.) I have also sometimes know about serious illnesses in friends before they appeared, but in other cases had no idea. I have come to the conclusion that brain waves must be something like radio waves, with different frequencies--some I can pick up, and others I can't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Bill D Date: 22 Aug 00 - 06:48 PM Melani...when you can do your brain wave receiving trick on demand, under controlled conditions, with total strangers, THEN we have something!But you said it youreslf.."it doesn't always work"...Likewise, when Little Hawk...or anyone else... can 'bust a cloud' on demand, time after time, then we are close to drought control....I have as many stories as anyone else of having 'weird premonitions' and thinking of someone just as they call me on the phone...but they also call lots of times when I was NOT thinking about them... The mind LOVES to find connections and causality...it gives this crazy universe a certain order and ties up loose ends. It is SO tempting to associate what YOU do with events 'out there', and when things do seem to be associated, we remember them....but who pays any attention to the thousands of times when NO association is noticed? Someone published a little story once which really got to me..:
A family had a dog which had the habit of pawing at the screen door till it banged when he wanted in. Well, it happened sadly that the old dog died one stormy night when the family was away...they found him on the porch where he had been trying to get inside. So they buried him out back, and went on with life. Someone looked up in the almanac and found that the previous 4 years the weather was calm and quiet on that day. and so it goes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 22 Aug 00 - 07:04 PM Cloud busters are a lot more common that some people think. On several occassions I have asked people, many of whom I hardly knew, whether or not they had ever tried dissolving clouds. So far, everyone I have asked has said yes. When my son was about seven or eight years old, I taught him how to dissolve clouds. He then went and taught some of his friends how to do it. He stopped doing that, however, when he disovered some of them trying to dissolve him. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Mbo Date: 22 Aug 00 - 07:06 PM I never heard of trying to dissolve clouds. I was too busy trying to look for cool shapes in them. Classic one I saw once? A man with long hair flying down a hill in a bathtub. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Sorcha Date: 22 Aug 00 - 07:22 PM Cloud Story--no signifcance whatsoever, as far as I know:
Years ago, when I was about 14, 4 or 5 carloads of us were traveling from Winfield, KS (US) to Grand Lake o'the Cherokees, in OK. It was late afternoon, early evening with one of those wonderful prairie thunderstorms building up, with all the fantastic cumulus clouds in the eastern part of the sky. Behind us, to the west, the sky was still mostly clear with a few high cirrus (mare's tails)clouds.
Suddenly, my dad, driver of the lead car, pulled over onto the shoulder, jumped out and waved everybody else over too. He pointed at the western sky behind us. Of course, everyone got out to see what he was looking at.
Behind us, in the clouds, was a battle, complete with running horses, cannon balls with puffs of powder smoke, men falling off horses when the cannonballs hit, the WHOLE BATTLE. Seemed to be a Civil War Battle to us. Before very long, the entire shoulder of the highway was covered with parked cars and people watching the show. Everyone could see the same things at the same time--WOW, did you see that shot? Was really close to that Troop type stuff. Memeory fails, but I know there were about 10-15 in my own group, and it seems that we had about 50 people watching the clouds. Show lasted about an hour, then the clouds just drifted away. I might have been even more impressed if it had been the Ghost Riders chasing the herd, but I doubt it. I had seen and have seen "shapes" in the clouds but this is the only thing like that I have ever seen, and I am glad I was not the only one who saw it!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Mbo Date: 22 Aug 00 - 07:26 PM Sorcha, there are records of such occurances in England, where people have seen medieval battles being fought in the horizon during sunset. One particularly notorious spot for the phenomena is Caernarvon, Wales. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 22 Aug 00 - 07:27 PM Sometimes I know what is going to happen. Sure, it's only sometimes, but I don't see how there could not be a connection there... (Maybe that proves the behaviourist's point, I don't know.) Like this month. At the end of July, I told my mother that I would have a job before September, and that it would be part-time, two days a week. I have been unemployed for three years, and don't have good job search skills. (Obviously!) She thought that I had a job lined up, and was a bit annoyed at me when I told that, no, it was just a big feeling that it was going to happen. She still tried to argue with me. Well, last Tuesday, completely on impulse, I walked into the little local restaurant to get a burger. I started talking to this one waitress, she asked me if my mother had gone away for a while and if I was missing her. That was true. Turns out the waitress is interested in Native American Spirituality. (It's funny how many people are turning up in my life now who are into that.) I told her I was looking for part-time work, she went into the back, came out, and I went into the back and had a little interview with my supervisor and then the boss. I went in the next day for training, and started work this weekend past. Another little coincidence: I had forgotten my wallet, and had to go home and get it. On my way back to the restaurant to pay, I saw a rainbow. One end was directly over the restaurant, the other end was in the clouds. My favorite quote is from Thoreau: "If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost, that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them." You can argue my interpretation of the events and coincidences. You can't argue the fact that I knew ahead of time that I was going to get a job, when I have been completely hopeless about the subject for three years. Sometimes you just know. ~*sirepseh*~ BTW, the first thing I did when I got home after getting the job was to email my mother with a big "I TOLD YOU SO!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Bill D Date: 22 Aug 00 - 07:45 PM "but I don't see how there could not be a connection there...".....but I find it easy to not see a connection.*smile*...I simply remember all the times when I expected something ...and nothing happened |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Aug 00 - 07:55 PM But Bill ol' buddy....How can you explain the farted Falwell I described above??? (It does scare me that you and I see the universe in so similar a fashion......what with you being such a well known curmudgeonly old poop and all) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 22 Aug 00 - 08:10 PM But it's not like "expecting" something... Like, I could expect my friend to call me because he said he would... and maybe I know that something's happened and he can't call me, and I find out later that what I knew had happened, actually happened, and it was that exact reason why he didn't call me... (This is just an example.) Oh, I give up. It's like trying to explain harmony to the tone deaf. I just don't have the tools to explain it. There is a certainty in the knowing that seems almost insane, except that what you know is going to happen, comes true. You can tell people or not. You can wish that it wouldn't happen, or wish that it would. It still happens the way you know it will, when you know. It's a lot easier to think that I know things sometimes, than it is to think that somehow, I am pulling strings I can't even see, and rearranging the universe around me, to make something happen, that I don't even necessarily want to have happen. I don't know everything. I don't think I would want to know everything. I have known things about people, that it really scared me to know. Things about people that aren't even in the room for me to read their body language. Things that I wouldn't have made up, because I don't think that way. And these things were true. I can't explain it... hesperis, who is getting very frustrated. ARRRGH!
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Aug 00 - 08:17 PM Without curmudgeonly old poops around, us Native American mystical cloudbusters wouldn't have near as much fun telling our stories. It was kind of like that back in the earlier centuries too, but a lot more dangerous. They used to shoot at us then when we brought up stuff they weren't familiar with. We had our own curmudgeonly old poops too, of course, but they tended to be pretty mystical, if sometimes a bit crabby. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Bill D Date: 22 Aug 00 - 08:48 PM aww...shucks...glad to be useful!..*grin*... (I can at least write out the mathematical relationships of harmony and sound for the tone deaf..*shrug*...care to draw me a diagram of 'knowing something'?....) Ah, well, as I said...in my curmudgeonly way...show me something repeatable and testable...Tain't fair that YOU get to see/hear/know all that neat stuff and I don't! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 22 Aug 00 - 08:58 PM Hesperis, My life has been blessed ; ) with a number of linear thinking, left brain oriented, logical thinkers. This is how I comfort myself. I think about how I'm going to feel when I get to the end of my life and I look back on it. I feel pretty confident that I'm going to feel good about the way I lived my life, the decisions I made, and the perspective on reality that I embraced. I am also pretty confident that the people I know who choose differently are going to feel just as good about their choices as I do about mine. And that's good. For everyone else: If anyone wants to try dissolving clouds, it's not too hard as long as you are realistic about choosing your cloud. On a calm, sunny day with a few puffy clouds in the sky, pick a small cloud that isn't moving too fast as your target. Get as relaxed as you can. It doesn't work well at all if you are tense or anxiously expectant. Look at the cloud, and then close your eyes and imagine the cloud dissolving slowly until it dissapears. Expect it to take a few minutes (for me, it takes about ten to fifteen minutes). Before you do this, make a mental map of the other clouds in the area, so you know that your cloud is behaving differently than the others. Otherwise you might think it's a coincidence that the cloud dissapeared. You can check on it from time to time to see how it's progressing, and so you don't lose track of it. Some people prefer to just visualize empty sky where the cloud is. That method doesn't work as well for me, but everybody's different. It's important to keep in mind that this is strictly a mental process. If you allow your emotions to get involved, it probably won't work too well. Also, you want to be conscious of your breathing. You want to breathe deeply, and keep your breathing slow. I won't suggest that this will work for everyone, but so far, I've never seen it fail. Except when people tried to do it on big clouds, or clouds that were moving too quickly. Happy dissolving, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 22 Aug 00 - 08:58 PM You're right Bill D, it isn't fair. I guess we have different skills. I get to know things sometimes, and you get to be a know-it-all. (Was that too close to being a flame? If so, I'm ducking behind the shrubbery now!) As I said, I don't have the tools to explain this... Wish I did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:09 PM The difference hesperis is quite simple You are convinced of what you know, but as you cannot prove it to the supposed skeptics such as Bill and I, you are in fact challenging your own belief. When your feelings and actions don't match your belief, you feel angst. Bill and I both challenge our beliefs, but the number of things that we believe are unknowable or beyond proof at this time are legion, so we have learned the simple trick of "not minding" the not knowing. It eliminates angst and then I can focus on the things that are knowable. Ya' know? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:11 PM Bill D, This is an interesting little juxtaposition here, because while you can write out the mathmatical relationships of harmony and sound, I wouldn't be able to understand them. Maybe it's the same way for you when people like hesperis, Little Hawk, and I try to explain the things that we understand to you. Best wishes, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Sorcha Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:15 PM Well, out here in the Burning West, I am certainly NOT going to try dissolving ANY clouds. Could somebody send a lot with water in them, that will fall as rain on command? Any moment now will do. Mudcat, did after all manage to put out the Colorado Fires last month......(firmly in the cheek), and not trying to be little anyone, or anyone's beliefs. Just send RAIN. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:21 PM I'm sorry things are so bad for you out there, Sorcha. I've never been able to make clouds. Wish I could help. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: sophocleese Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:27 PM Sorcha, with all this cloud dissolving information in hand I will attempt to teleport some of the projected rainfall for this area into your neck of the burning woods. If that doesn't help I hope that my wishes for an end to the fires there soothes even if it doesn't extinguish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:29 PM I thought the "dissolving clouds" thing was a joke. Don't all clouds dissolve eventually? Now I am in big trouble with a skeptical and somewhat curmudgeonly friend who claims that I am foolishly encouraging Ebbie in the belief that she can chat with the dead. And worse yet that I am encouraging her to pursue a career with palm readers and charlatans who will rob her blind. SO for the record, Ebbie enjoy your experience, make of it what you will and don't pay anyone to contact Earl or anyone else. It is obvious to me that you have that ability yourself. UHOH I think I am in trouble again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Ebbie Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:37 PM Miracles do not happen in contradiction of nature, but in contradiction to what we know about nature. St. Augustine Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Ebbie Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:41 PM Hey! I don't chat with the dead- I get letters! LOL Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:51 PM I used to play in a band in the north of Ireland, during the late '70's, early 80's, and we used to be on the road 5-6 nights a week. At this stage, there was only my father, mother, my next eldest sister, and myself, living at home. Anyway, I was out gigging most nights, and used to arrive in home at varying hours of the night, and early morning. My sister had a part time job working in the restuarant of a local hotel, but her hours were much more predictable than mine, and she used to be home around 2 in the morning. We lived in a hostile end of town, and locking our front door at night was a procedure that had to be adhered to and given first priority when it concerned my sister and me, who would be home long after my parents had gone to bed. There were a few locks on our front door, and my father, before he went to bed locked the strongest of them; a huge front-door lock, made by Yale. There were bolt locks on the inside. We had the key to the front door, my sister and I, and when one of us would come home, we would look into each other's room, to see if all hands were accounted for. If I was planning to stay out until the morning, I would normally give my sister a ring at work, and tell her to lock up, etc. One night I happened to get home before her, and as the car wasn't outside the door, I figured she was still at work; I checked her room, and she wasn't there. But I distinctly remember a 'dream' I had, where I was looking down, as if from the rooftops, at the streets surrounding our house below. I saw our yellow Datsun turn off the main Armagh Road onto Ormond Street, down Coronation Street, into William Street, and then up our street; which I wont name. My sister came up the street, in my dream, not down, which she usually did; in fact she drove a bit of a roundabout route. I saw her park the car, heard her pull the handbrake up, get out, lock the door, and then go to the boot (trunk). She opened the boot, looked in, and then closed it again, without taking anything out. She first pulled out what looked like her wallet, and then the front door key. Inside the house, now, I was 'in front' of her as she went up the stairs and as I saw her turn the handle of my bedroom door, I woke up to see her pop her head around the door. I saw the car parked 'up the street', next morning when I got up, and my sister was knocking around as well. She had done all of that, in that order. My bedroom was at the back of the house, and even if I was awake, I wouldn't have been able to hear the engine of a car, never mind it's handbrake, especially if she was trying to be quiet, as she would have been. Wwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhoooooaaaaaaa!!!! Spooky init? B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:51 PM SINSULL, The important thing is to observe how your cloud is behaving in relation to the clouds around it. If your target cloud dissolves every time, but the clouds around your target cloud remain intact at least most of the time, if not every time, then I think you can say you have a pattern that is worthy of consideration. Best wishes, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: KT Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:08 PM Brendy, I think it's more cool than spooky!!! It happens!!
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:14 PM Spaw, my feelings and actions do match my "belief". It is not in fact a "belief" to me. Do you have to believe in a chair? No, you sit on it. But what happens when other people say "there is no proof that there is a chair..." A chair is a concrete object, that you and I can both see and sit on. Unfortunately you and many others cannot see "knowing things." No, it's not a chair, but it is there and I have experienced it. What I cannot do, is prove my knowledge according to your system - yet. I am frustrated, not in trying to prove this to myself, but in trying to translate something from one language to another, when the other language has no words for what I do. I read a 'science' fiction book recently where one nonhuman race was stealing artwork from another nonhuman race, because they had no concept of rocks possibly being alive. The rocks in question were moving and speaking to each other, and to the humans, but the other nonhumans just could not get it in their heads that the rock things were people. They had no words in their language to describe that. Yes, that was fiction, but this situation seems similar. I have no words in your language of Proof, to tell you what I have experienced again and again. Carol, that is a very good point. However, I would be able to understand the mathmatical relationships of harmony and sound. This is what frustrates me here. I am usually good at translating the logical and the intuitive. I guess you have to experience it. I should probably take Little Hawk's advice, and let some things remain mysteries. Wow! This is a seriously fantastic discussion! ~*sirepseh*~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: flattop Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:16 PM Well I'm a cynic but... This afternoon I got a long distance call from a mudcatter in another country who said something like, 'Are you feeling ok? I read the forgiveness thread and you sound strange.' I felt fine and said so. Tonight I feel as sick as a dog. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:30 PM Little Hawk incanting again I wonder? Touch the screen flattop, touch the screen. KT: Yeah, I suppose, but at the time (being much younger and innocent) I didn't tell anybody about it, except my sister. It wasn't 'cool' in those days, not where I lived *BG* I don't talk about it too much these days, neither; probably some inherent fear that a Little Hawk, or the ilk will appear to me in a dream, and call me 'brother' or something, and tries to beckon me back to the sacred altar, or somewhere. *LOL* B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: flattop Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:31 PM It's quite apparent, hesperis, that you are one of those strange people who believes in chairs. You believe to the extent that you sit on them without question. Modern science tells us that what we mistake for chairs and what we believe to be solid objects are structures of molocules that change in time. While you are sitting on what you mistake for a solid object, molocules and electrons are racing around under your butt, changing and reforming the so called chair in ways that your lack of sensitivity leads you to deny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: flattop Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:37 PM How about, you touch what you want and I'll touch what I want, Brendy? At least you are far enough away from Little Hawk that he's not commenting on your hair. What's wrong with my hair? I even washed it before Song Circle last night. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:38 PM Hesperis, I've played this game for years and you are entitled to believe these things are possible and I would agree with you as I have experienced them myself. But their is NO frustration, noe should there be in not being able to explain them. In my casr, I lump them into the "Organized Chaos" of the universe which at this point we cannot and do not have the ability to understand. I check in on this occasionally as I do other things that I can explain just to see if I can make things fit. But I am not troubled by my own or your inability to explain phenomena in a logical thought sequence. Some things are just unknowable. As to your Sci-Fi story, that is an ancient question in Metaphysics 202 that the writer has based his story on. Scientifically speaking, life can only begin once in one place of one composition. But it is possible for life to start elsewhere in a different time and place with a different composition....So it is quite possible that we have been visited (or are being visited) by alien beings, but they would have no recognition of us and we would have no recognition of them as lifeforms. Now that is provable. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:42 PM Never really believed in the screen theory, anyway. Ah well, that's what you get for trying to be helpful. Your hair looks fine to me, though, flattop B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Bill D Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:46 PM why I am a sceptic.... Benjamin Creme ..My mother-in-law was DEEPLY into this one |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Ebbie Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:50 PM Can we prove love? Yes, we can describe the effects of it but I don't know of a way to prove such a thing exists. And yet, not many of us would agree that it is solely nature's way of forcing us to reproduce or to encourage us to protect each other's lives- we know it is of a much greater depth than that. Music and its harmonies is mathematical in its components- but that doesn't mean its effects on us are necessarily repeatable. For one thing, it has different effects on different people at different times and in different environments. In my dotage, I have begun to realize that allowing something to happen- making room for it to happen- and having it happen, is a completely natural phenomenon. I, for one, love being able to rely on it.(I'm not speaking of the cloud-name here. I have no explanation for that. But that only means I don't know YET.) And Spaw, I'm "not minding" that you don't get it. *BG* I do think life is richer my way. Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Bill D Date: 22 Aug 00 - 10:56 PM BTW...the Links on that Urantia page dont seem to work...here is one from inside the site |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Aug 00 - 11:07 PM Well Bill, I was about to say that, but thanks for the additional. I've got so damn many bookmarks............Karen is always reading some of mine and asking why the hell I keep adding this stuff. I'll blame these on you. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 22 Aug 00 - 11:13 PM Spaw, I understand what you're saying now. (I think.) I'll be back later on that. flattop, you are sick! Did someone hit you over te head with a 2x4? (Sorry, I had to!) That one about chairs is good. I don't mind your hair, it's just LH's opinion, and he's probably wrong.(Although I didn't say I liked it either...) G'night, all. hesperis |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Helen Date: 22 Aug 00 - 11:15 PM hesperis, There are some of us you don't need to explain it to. I know what you are saying because I experience it too. I tend not to try to explain it to other people because it is too difficult, and I agree about the inadequacies of language when the concepts are not well-accepted by the majority of people. I have worked on improving my psychic hunches/intuition to take it past an erratic, hit & miss tool to something a bith more predictable but it doesn't mean that it is 100% reliable either. Wishful thinking or fear can get in the way sometimes and make the signal unreliable. About knowing when someone is about to call: often my mother or sister will ring when I have been concentrating on finishing something but thinking that I will ring one or the other of them when I have finished. So I am focusing on a task but reminding myself that I want to ring someone and before I get to pick up the phone the one I have been thinking about rings me. I think that I have been sending a strong signal to someone I know well and am emotionally connected to and we are tuned into the same wavelength. This knowing between the three of us has always been very strong and we have a huge number of incidents which we talk about. I have also had a few encounters with people who have died - sometimes in dreams, sometimes while awake. Saw my Grandmother standing next to her coffin at the funeral service, looking intently around at everyone's faces. Didn't see my Auntie at her funeral a couple of months ago but she had been in a stroke-induced state for a number of years. She was there in a dream two weeks later in a repeat enactment of the funeral service. Nearly ran into a woman standing in a doorway in a house I lived in 20 years ago and had a huge physical reaction - adrenaline, heart pumping, had to sit in a well lit room for about an hour to calm down. Etc etc The incidents are real. I'm not easily convinced of this stuff, by the way - very left-brain/right-brain balanced. But, I don't sweat it if someone else doesn't believe what I am saying. Different viewpoints, different ways of processing information, different personalities. Helen |