A new Vietnam war ?

Subject: A new Vietnam war ?
From: GUEST,Sergio Alguim
Date: 06 Jan 01 - 05:14 PM

Do you think there are many americans that wants or are thinking about a new Vietnam war ? Maybe or probably the USA will quite easy win a new war, using the "cirurgical war-method" , that USA so "successfully" did in the Gulf-war and Yugoslavia-war ? The americans probably dont talk about the possibility, but do they think about it ? A revenge ?

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 01 - 05:21 PM

No. Mainly we think about not getting into one.

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 06 Jan 01 - 05:55 PM

Guest, I can honestly tell you that noone who fought in it wants another Vietnam type of war, ever. Anyone who does is not a sane human being. For the sake of the peace of mind of those who did fight it, drop this thread, and let their troubled minds rest, Please? Yours, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: mg
Date: 06 Jan 01 - 11:02 PM

yeah...one was enough to last a lifetime...mg

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jan 01 - 11:07 PM

Nope. DougR

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Jan 01 - 11:26 PM

Sergio, just go back and read all the threads and postings we've had on that war and I think you can be assured that we don't want another one. As Mary said, one was enough to last a lifetime, no matter where you stood. I'd hope its enough to last my kid's lifetimes too.....and their kids.

Spaw

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 02:01 AM

Vietnam has fought many wars, but I doubt that they will ever fight the USA again. More likely they will have to deal with another Chinese assault one of these days...that has happened repeatedly throughout the last 2,000 years or more.

- LH

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 02:08 AM

NOT!! (but were you asking about VietNam in particular, or a VietNam TYPE war?) I think a "VietNam Type" war is possible.......given our "elected" President......

Excuse me if I am mistaken, but I read your query as a VietNam Type war........and the US always seems too ready to get into those, even if "we" have to use the United Nations guise......We (???) in the US just don't seem to be able to ignore international trolls or flamers.

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: blt
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 04:08 AM

I think the war the US is interested in now is the battle for the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese consumers, since profit can be made much more quickly by selling products rather than gearing up the arms industry. Plus the approval ratings back home are much easier to deal with.

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 08:47 AM

Colombia? But I think whatever happens there or elsewhere it'll be a long time before American troops get thrown away - it'll be surrogates doing the dying.

The downside to that is, will that mean that there won't be any significant opposition in the USA to overseas wars which kill enormous numbers of "foreign" civilians?

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: mg
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 07:23 PM

McGrath of Harlow: I think you need some extensive sensitivity training in this area. Some of your comments sound very cruel to me. mg

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: mg
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 07:25 PM

that was my job by the way you horse's .......throwing them away. helicopter crews to be specific.

mg

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: Troll
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 07:28 PM

Let it drop Kevin.You really don't want to go there.

troll

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 07:47 PM

I'm really sorry if you, Mary, or anyone has found anything I said here or elsewhere cruel or insensitive - it's really not meant that way.

I place the same value on any American life as I do on the life of anyone else, Vietnamese, Colombian, Irish or English. I hope nothing I have ever said has given any other impression.

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 08:02 PM

One Amercun life is easily worth at least 100 of those gooks or spics. Maybe 1000. Right, Mary?

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: MarkS
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 10:20 PM

No - Since the point of the Vietnam war was to put a stop to Soviet irredentism, (the war being a foolish technique to do this by the way), there would be on point to such a war today, since there are no more Soviets. Further, restarting a war in Vietnam today would be pointless by any other measure. After all, who wants the place?
MarkS

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 07 Jan 01 - 11:23 PM

My nephew this there will be another Viet Nam and it will be in Colombia. He works in Cambodia in the foreign press corp. He has his sources but I don't know why he believes Colombia. Interesting call McGrath.

Don

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 08 Jan 01 - 01:03 PM

I thought this space dig not permit bigotrotic statements or slandering. To demean any population is unhealthy. As a Viet Nam combat vet I really take offense to Guest's use of language. It's easy to do that from behind a wall of anonymity - I feel sorry for you. A "new" Viet Nam War - I don't think so.

Subject: Mary Garvey - Thank you
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 08 Jan 01 - 03:45 PM

Thank You for being there when my Brothers and Sisters came home. Steve Neff USMC VN 65 - 66

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: RichM
Date: 08 Jan 01 - 04:44 PM

Yes, there will be other wars... But americans will only be involved in the ones that threaten their oil supply.

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From:
Date: 08 Jan 01 - 05:25 PM

or other resources that we use....

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 08 Jan 01 - 06:52 PM

Wherever the cause of the Viet Nam war, to stop Soviet Agression, to contain the advance of China into the sub continent, to curtail the flow of drugs, to insure a friendly presence in the east, or to support the US industrial/military giant, it must be remembered that the war fought, not by the generals but by grunts in the field. Most of whom (Americain foot soldiers) went because of a sense of duty and not to promote any geo-political end. When it comes to a question of duty I have to admire unwavering faith in the percieved rightness of the cause. I feel just as strongly in the belief of the righteousness of Phil Ochs as I do in the righteous belief of my friend Capt. Larry Dewey USAF 1945-1968.

Don

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 01 - 07:33 PM

And remember, most of the people who fought were not American, and they shared that "unwavering faith in the perceived rightness of the cause" - and most of the people who died weren't soldiers.

And that's not to devalue the suffering and the death of the American boys. It's to put that suffering and death in the context of a tragedy that was much wider, and still has not ceased. Agent Orange and the other relics of the war are still destroying people, in Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia - and America.

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: Amergin
Date: 08 Jan 01 - 10:07 PM

A cousin of mine was involved in Laos and Thailand (mainly Thailand though) in fact he has been in a few books.....such as Shooting At The Moon....

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: dwditty
Date: 09 Jan 01 - 07:02 AM

God Bless you, Mick.

dw

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 09 Jan 01 - 11:18 AM

Don your comments were well spoken and on the mark. Guest, I sincerely hope that America will not see another war. Period. I did my tour during the Gulf War (Navy 1974-1991). I believe I can state unequivocably that the American people don't want another war with Vietnam or anyone else. What our politicians will want remains to be seen. I believe that Dave is right and this thread should end but I do want to comment that the cheap shot at Mary about, and I Quote Guest directly "One Americun life is easily worth 100 or maybe 1000 Gook or Spic lives.." was totally uncalled for and highly offensive. I suspect that why he or she hid behind the guest monkier and didn't add their name. As long as this country has such narrow minded unthinking people in it, we will continue to be ripe for war and internal strife. Kindest reguards to all especially those of you who are fellow combat veterans. Neil

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jan 01 - 11:49 AM

I'm 100 per cent with Neil about that cheap GUEST crack - nasty graffiti. Meant to hurt, meant to stir things up, and of course anonymous.

And I agree about this thread. I don't think that when thinking about possible future wars it's very helpful to look back at previous ones - not even in practical terms, because they are never the same. Except in the suffering.

It's a good thing sometimes to look back at past wars and try to make sense of them, and put what happened in a wider picture - but not in this kind of context. That kind of thing should be about peace and reconciliation, for all those who were involved, not about carrying on a fight.

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: GUEST,cheapshot
Date: 09 Jan 01 - 11:53 AM

check back and youll see that mary has taken cheap shots at the vietnamese soldiers and civilians but i suppose thats ok

Subject: RE: A new Vietnam war ?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 09 Jan 01 - 02:33 PM

Guest - Bugger off mate. Hope this thread dies with this post.