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American National Anthem

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ANACREONTIC SONG (2)
THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER
TO ANACREON IN HEAVEN


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Dicho (Frank Staplin) 12 Jun 01 - 12:03 AM
toadfrog 12 Jun 01 - 01:02 AM
Shields Folk 12 Jun 01 - 06:54 PM
CapriUni 04 Jul 06 - 01:37 PM
Desert Dancer 27 Aug 11 - 03:17 PM
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McGrath of Harlow 28 Aug 11 - 10:23 AM
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Stringsinger 28 Aug 11 - 06:14 PM
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Stilly River Sage 21 Oct 23 - 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Jun 01 - 12:03 AM

Cranky Yankee has it right when he protests the hyphenation now increasing in the States. Living in Canada, with two official languages, taxpayer-supported separate schools for Catholics and Protestants (and now all of the other religious persuasions are getting into the act), Indians and others competing over fishing and hunting rights (Indians are hunting out of season and ignoring limits), etc., etc., I see a divided country where political correctness is rampant. If that is a confused sentence, that is what present conditions here make me- confused. By the way, Cranky Yankee may be interested in the Univ. Toronto poetry site, where Fort M'Henry is referred to and The Star Spangled Banner is linked to The Stars and Stripes Forever in the heading to Francis Scott Key's poem.


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: toadfrog
Date: 12 Jun 01 - 01:02 AM

Joe: To answer your question, the tune is attributed to John Stafford Smith, who seems to have composed it for the Anacreon Society. Click also here, for corroboration. And for a short explanation, clack. Yet another site states that it was probably a joint work of members of the Anacreon Society, under Smith's leadership. (Sorry, forgot the clickie for that one. But here's another, just for luck, CLUCK. Actually, that's an interesting browse, looking for "Anacreon in Heaven" on the web!

I had believed that the third verse was dropped from the Natl. Anthem to keep the British happy, but this official-looking site gives proof through the note that our verse is still there!

Conclusive Proof! The third verse is part of the official Nat'l Anthem. The web site of the American Embassy to the United Kingdom says, "Their blood has wiped out their foul footsteps' pollution,"-right out in front of God and everybody! Either the Brits have a wonderful sense of humor, or they never noticed!


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Shields Folk
Date: 12 Jun 01 - 06:54 PM

Being late for the last two world wars is the reason Americans spend so much money on armaments. They want to be bang on time for the next one.


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: CapriUni
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 01:37 PM

I found the full lyrics to this tune yesterday... Amazing how few Americans even know all the lyrics to the first verse...

Now if I may put on my "Poetry Critique" hat (It's purple, with tassles, by the way):

I really like the second verse. The details he chose -- the mists of the ocean, the dim light, the breeze -- all paint a clear picture of one man's perspective, and show, first, his anxiety and then, his relief.

The third and fourth verses, however, leave me cold. In both of these, he sinks into boasting and propaganda. He may, considering his experiences, have been entitled to these feelings. But boasting and propaganda make weak poems.

"Show, don't tell."


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 27 Aug 11 - 03:17 PM

The Star-Spangled Bummer, an article in the wonderful NY Times Disunion series on the Civil War, discusses attempts in 1861 to come up with a national anthem, and, in particular, to generate new candidates for one other than "Yankee Doodle," or "Hail, Columbia" or the "Star-Spangled Banner", which were all popular at the time. They were not successful.

The article concludes by saying, "In 1931, as the Great Depression again tested the country's resolve, the 'Star-Spangled Banner' was signed into law as America's official national anthem."

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: kendall
Date: 27 Aug 11 - 03:55 PM

Never argue with someone whose opinion you don't respect.


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 10:23 AM

On the other hand in order to have a decent argument you've got to have someone who has a different view of things. Not hard round here...


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Joe_F
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 06:09 PM

The action of Congress in calling "The Star-Spangled Banner" the national anthem was not the result of any deliberation or contest. It was merely the ratification of what everybody knew. Long before (e.g., during W.W. I), people were beaten up for not standing when it was played.


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 06:14 PM

Joe, good for you! I am a pacifist and democratic socialist too and I feel as American as any other in this country. I second your emotion.

Our tradition of folk music grew up in the time of Popular Front in the U.S., folklorists,
musicians, getting interested in "people's"music, songs of the working-class, labor movement, agrarian music from Appalachia, African-America, pockets of ethnic communities from other countries and it all came of interest because of the Left wing, who endorsed it, nurtured it and gave it credence so that it could finally become used by institutions such as Mudcat.

The academics in music departments began to see its value as a result. The historians, anthropologists, ethnomusicologists and folklorists were made aware of the value of this expression of music principally because it was nurtured by the Left.

Alan Lomax, Pete Seeger, Ken Goldstein, Archie Green, Woody Guthrie, Bess Lomax Hawes, Josh White, Burl Ives, Leadbelly, Florence Reese, Hazel Dickens, and others regardless of how they ended up politically, they all got their start in the Left Wing Movement's embrace of American folk music.

And they weren't all Marxists or Communists, either.

Today, much of the Left has been co-opted by a gauzy "liberalism" and the songs that have content have been forsaken for a safe singer/songwriter genre, in mho. The "protest singer" has become corporatized, commercialized and trivialized.

A national anthem should be powerful enough to bring tears to the eyes when being sung as it is in other countries that have had to overcome oppression and dictatorship.
I think America the Beautiful, the other verses that are not generally sung, come close. It's significant that every school child all over the world pretty much knows
"This Land is Your Land".

Woody wrote "This Land" in reaction to Irving Berlin's "God Bless America". Berlin called his song at the time of its creation, a peace song. I don't think Berlin would have liked how it's being used today by these pseudo-patriotic political hacks.

A national anthem should show the struggle of America to achieve democracy through Civil Rights, Labor Unions, Women's Rights, Child labor rights, Free speech, Anti-war demonstrations and not a paean to military violence, munitions, and big monied corporate interests.

We don't need a contrived pop song such as "I'm proud to be an American" by Lee Greenwood. When I hear that song, I feel violated as an American.

Without bombs bursting in air which will keep the US from becoming the land of the free and the home of the brave, I hope that a national anthem will some day emerge and be sung by Americans as an authentic anthemic expression of true American values mentioned above.

There are a lot of songwriters out there today to make it happen.


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 06:38 PM

I can't imagine anyone in Britain having the least concern about anything in anybody's national anthem. Dom peolle anywhere worry about that kind of thing?


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 23 - 10:56 AM

The subject of the words to the Star Spangled Banner came up today and I searched for the lyrics: and found a transcribed transcript from the Maryland Historical Society collection. They have the manuscript. The Mudcat version is missing a verse. The following is the whole content of the Maryland PDF:

Complete version of "The Star-Spangled Banner" showing spelling and punctuation from Francis Scott Key's manuscript in the Maryland Historical Society collection.

O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O'er the ramparts we watch'd were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bomb bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
'Tis the star-spangled banner - O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto - "In God is our trust,"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

The missing verse is in italics. And that's a pretty grim paragraph to have left out.


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Lighter
Date: 21 Oct 23 - 11:08 AM

The first stanza is the only one I've ever heard sung by anybody (except myself when I sang the whole thing in fifth grade to show off).


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Thompson
Date: 21 Oct 23 - 12:05 PM

And only one Welsh fella with that silly move of putting the hand on the heart in the film of a football crowd singing their anthem!


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 23 - 10:56 AM

The subject of the words to the Star Spangled Banner came up today and I searched for the lyrics: and found a transcribed transcript from the Maryland Historical Society collection. They have the manuscript. The Mudcat version is missing a verse. The following is the whole content of the Maryland PDF:

Complete version of "The Star-Spangled Banner" showing spelling and punctuation from Francis Scott Key's manuscript in the Maryland Historical Society collection.

O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O'er the ramparts we watch'd were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bomb bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
'Tis the star-spangled banner - O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto - "In God is our trust,"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

The missing verse is in italics. And that's a pretty grim paragraph to have left out.


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Lighter
Date: 21 Oct 23 - 11:08 AM

The first stanza is the only one I've ever heard sung by anybody (except myself when I sang the whole thing in fifth grade to show off).


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Subject: RE: American National Anthem
From: Thompson
Date: 21 Oct 23 - 12:05 PM

And only one Welsh fella with that silly move of putting the hand on the heart in the film of a football crowd singing their anthem!


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