Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 03:34 AM

oops. did not see message about their health.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 03:34 AM

i have not heard from neon. if someone wants to pass on a message that would great. listening to the northstar version right now. who is that wonderful singer? i think it is a danish group.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: GUEST,Guest TF
Date: 15 Apr 21 - 07:06 PM

MG Rab and Stephie are not in the best of health at the moment. Give it time.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 15 Apr 21 - 02:26 PM

Ha-ha Vic: there are a few other stories like that: Shoals of Herring and Last Thing on my Mind spring to my mind!
Good luck in your quest, mg.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Apr 21 - 11:50 AM

I seem to have a memory of a story of Zetta Sinclair, mother of Isla St. Clair, bring interviewed about the songs that she had learned as a young woman and had passed on to her daughter and that one of them was My Pittenweem Jo. She seems to have learned it a few decades before it was written.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 21 - 05:01 AM

mg-   do we gather you got a negative reply from neon?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 14 Apr 21 - 08:57 PM

here is the northstar version. i had only listened to the song itself and not the instrumentals after..i was blown away. this is what i want the angels to play as they escort me into heaven. this about the most perfect music i have ever heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DibgnPrT64

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 14 Apr 21 - 06:59 PM

i have contacted neon music. i am about to abandon this idea i think.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: GUEST,Guest TF
Date: 14 Apr 21 - 11:36 AM

The copyright is held by Neon Music which holds the copyright for many of John's songs.It's Rabs' company.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 07:40 PM

I did not mean that Pete Shepheard or Springthyme music held the copyright: merely that he would know who did, or what the position was, as Jim has said
The email to use is progressatspringthymedotcodotuk. (That’s paraphrasing the usual symbols used in an email address.)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 03:32 PM

does anyone have an email for Pete at Springthyme? I tried on on the site but it did not go through.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 02:47 PM

do not assume anything about canadian copyrights. nothing. do not assume that their SOCAN (??) is equivalent to a USA organization that seems similar. No. No. Don't do it unless you are prepared for a merry chase. Someone's great granddaughter who does not know about it actually might own the copyright.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 02:36 PM

needless to say i would allow almost anyone to record any of my songs for free with no copyright issues. I do not expect that others should do so, but if they want, it makes life easier.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 12:38 PM

my apologies. i got mixed up on the dates. and begging your pardon, it is not a pointless fuss. i like the song and hoped to use it and this is exactly why i wish to avoid copyright issues. I need to be able to allow people to make copies and i don't want to track who does what. great little song though.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 07:03 AM

John Watt wrote it. Copyright is to his estate until 70 years after his death which would mean around 2080. Everywhere in the world. There is very little national variation in copyright law or in the copyright status of specific works these days.

You seem determined to make a pointless fuss about this issue. What you say you're trying to do about the rights to your CD simply can't be done.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 04:31 AM

No idea about copyright law- Pete Shepheard at Springthyme was (I think) the first to record him singing this, on 'Shores of the Forth'- & would know more than me about it. Or ask Rab Noakes at the MU, as he recorded John's later CD 'Heroes'.
Most sensible songwriters would not object to a song's use in a limited issue CD, that's nothing to do woith copyright.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 04:50 PM

i am not asking to use anyone's recording or version of this..just want to know the copyright situation.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 04:43 PM

I am confused. I certainly would credit him but have no idea what Springthyme would have to do with it. Would the song still be in copyright in England? For various reasons, none of which are to deprive anyone of income, I do not wish to deal with existent copyrights.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 04:58 AM

I recorded it about 15 years ago, with John's permission provided I credited him, which I did.
Am sure Pete at Springthyme would be sympathetic use limited issue use of the song, but best ask....
nb a lifetime Dunfermline fan, but of English clubs he was a fan of Sunderland FC- much good it did them, but it endeared him to me!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:26 PM

even if someone else recorded it? Not sure what Springthyme Records would have to do with a copyright...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 07:59 PM

Best to check with PRS/MCPS or Springthyme Records who brought the album out re-mastered as a CD in more recent years.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 06:43 PM

well, if copyright has expired, dick has given us permission to use the song he and alan recorded a time back. it is a great little song and tips the cd a bit more toward the fisher lassies which is what i was hoping. I wanted to put less emphasis on all the tragedies and shipwrecks etc., although working at gutting etc. was obviously very hard work.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: mg
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 05:50 PM

Love it. just heard it but unfortunately i heard it with northstar on youtube so i am forever bonded. what is the copyright now if written around 1960? I ask because I might ask if we can use dick's version on our herring cd and can not deal with copyright issues. Main reason is i want to not have any trouble, and i have had, even after paying royalties. No..main reason is i want to say to herring fishers go ahead and make some copies if you want. i don't want to deprive people who the song is about of the music..and this has happened, to my own famiy members in ireland. i can't track who does what. so is it out of copyright now or should i not consider it. i love the song though. check out northstar version.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Jo (John Watt)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 15 - 11:19 PM

There are lots of YouTube recordings of this song. I like this one by my friends Dick Holdstock and Allan MacLeod:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23yJIDCU8sE

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 05 Jun 15 - 06:09 PM

There is a video on YouTube of John Watt and Davie Stewart singing "Keltie Clippie" at the Fifesing; possibly John's last public engagement. I take the blame for the video!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 15 - 05:58 PM

I remember learning this song 1963 from the wee red book which was used by the music department in my Senior School. I always thought it was Trad...until I heard it sung at the Fife Sing as part of a discussion between John Watt and Jimmy Hutchinson.John Watt also gave us the glorious Kelty Klippie song.
A lovely man and great songs.Much missed.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 05 Jun 15 - 05:32 PM

Maybe: if I knew what "ensweetheart" meant!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Jun 15 - 09:10 AM

"You can hear it here: enjoy it!"

Don't you mean ensweetheart it?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 05 Jun 15 - 09:06 AM

You can hear it here: enjoy it!
https://soundcloud.com/springthyme/pittenweem-jo

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: maeve
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 10:48 PM

My Pittenweem friend Jack Ramsey defined "jo" as "sweetheart", michaelr. I hope one's sweetheart would bring joy also. :)

Maeve

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: michaelr
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 07:01 PM

I thought 'jo' meant 'joy'?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: GUEST,Auldtimer
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 05:55 PM

Sadly, now off to the big singaround.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: GUEST,weerover
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 05:00 PM

"...great Fifer, Dunfermline Athletic fan singer and raconteur": also sometime Communist candidate for local government and thoroughly decent guy (though I met him just the once).

wr

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: GUEST,Anne Neilson
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 03:22 PM

Just a wee clarification -- 'jo' is a Scots word for sweetheart : think of Burns' great song of love in old age, "John Anderson, My Jo".

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pittenweem Joe (John Watt)
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 10:48 AM

If you can get a copy of Norman Buchan's '101 Scottish Songs'- the wee red book (not Mao's version) you'll find this song and the basic music.
As stated earlier it was indeed by that great Fifer, Dunfermline Athletic fan singer and raconteur, John Watt, and the book gives 1960 as the year it was written.

Subject: RE: Pittenweem Joe - Lyrics please
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 10:52 AM

You may be able to hear it on this site.

Subject: RE: Pittenweem Joe - Lyrics please
From: GUEST,chernouskij
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 10:39 AM

Is there music to go with the lyrics?
JCh

Subject: Lyr Add: PITTENWEEM JO (John Watt)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 06:26 PM

Copied from http://www.alexsutherland.com/auldnew.htm

PITTENWEEM JO
(John Watt)

I'm goin' wi' a lassie fae Pittenweem,
She's every fisher laddie's dream.
She guts the herrin' doon by the quay,
And saves her kisses just for me.

Well, last July it come tae pass
I met this bonnie fisher lass,
Wi' her e'en sae blue, and black was her hair.
I met her doon by the village fair.

CHO: Oh, Pittenweem, Pittenweem,
She's every fisher laddie's dream.
She guts the herrin' doon by the quay,
And saves her kisses just for me.

So I says tae her, "Can I see ye hame?"
She says, "Och fine, but I ken yer game.
But ne'er the less, ye're awfy kind.
In fact, a widnae really mind."

So I took her hame that Saterday nicht.
The moon was shinin' oh sae bricht.
And as we sat there on the grass,
I said, "Hey, Jo, will ye be ma lass?"

Well, she's ma lass noo, and weel I ken
She disnae gang wi' other men:
'Cause I was fast but they were slow,
And that's how I won my Pittenweem Jo.

[Pittenweem is a fishing village on the east coast of Fife.]

Subject: RE: Pittenweem Joe - Lyrics please
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 14 Jun 01 - 07:12 PM

For the record, this song "Pittenweem Jo" (not "Joe") is not traditional, as the website seems to imply, but was written by John Watt, Fife's foremost man of letters and singer extraordinaire.

Murray

Subject: RE: Pittenweem Joe - Lyrics please
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 14 Jun 01 - 08:25 AM

Lyrics can be found here. I presume it's not in the DT yet cos it's still copyrighted.

Subject: RE: Pittenweem Joe - Lyrics please
From: IanC
Date: 14 Jun 01 - 07:31 AM

Nice audio version here.

Cheers!
Ian

Subject: Pittenweem Joe - Lyrics please
From: GUEST,John D
Date: 14 Jun 01 - 07:26 AM

Does anyone have the words of Pittenweem Joe?